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Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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galwaygal · 16/11/2010 11:10

This is a continuation of the "More ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings"

I thought I would keep the title short as there are so many long ones out there.

I thought I would start the new thread so that you don't forget me Grin

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BeattieBow · 06/01/2011 13:18

Thanks Hippy have seen and responded - not looked at blog yet as am at work,but will do later.

Noro - norovirus, winter vomiting bug (or as I choose to term it, a tummy bug). He went to great extremes to avoid swi if he was faking!

louisesh · 06/01/2011 13:38

BB .Hope your hubbys not faking that is an extreme length to go to!!! Especially if hes puking!!!

Hi Libby welcome.I ,too have had a MMC , that was my first loss in Oct 08 Have go on to have subsequent losses culminating with the biggest my dd stillborn at 41 weeks in Oct 10.I m too 40.Smile

Hippy Big FX for you all sound very hopeful.Don t forget, save space for me and Diege XX

Gum how you doing? Totally understand the "aching" arms feeling i felt it physically with Georgie so bad.

JollS you don t have to improve you always sound very jolly and positive to me.

Diege no symtons? Though you never know to the fat lady sings.I ve had bfps with no signs or symptons whatsoever.FX xxx

Hi to everyone else hope all are well?

I m good today,attended my counselling session.Shes so good and always gives me a different perspective on matters.She said i m looking stronger and she congratulated me on my decision to erdadicate my MIL from my life.She also thought the CP was a good sign but again, said i mustn t set myself up for a fall by planning too much.But, that is my default i m [yes, i admit it!!!] a "PLANNER" god, there i ve admitted it!!!!!! I told her i think i ll get pg this month but she said be flexible but as i said "whats the worst thats going to happen?" oh it already has and i m working through this.

Check in later XXXX

hippychick66 · 06/01/2011 14:05

louise If it suits you better to be positive about getting pregnant this month and then deal with the disappointment as and when (and if) it happens - then i think that's the best way to approach it. Glad you're feeling ok today. I know it's gonna get so much better for you soon my love. XXX

muchlove · 06/01/2011 14:13

Hey y'all
Hi GUM honeybun how are you doing??? The melatonin (1mg) I ordered online but I don't know if it is available in your part of the world in Health shops, not available over counter in UK. But it has to be taken with the Inositol (which if you google will tell you how good it is for us in general.... helps mild depression, healthy hair and skin all good stuff...) Melatonin is a natural hormone that is secreted just before we go to sleep, so I only use the 1mg which is a tiny amount as the usual 3mg would mess my sleeping habits up. If you google the two together you can find all the info.... Also I know exactly about that need/desire to be PG again I really do.......It's been 4mnths since my last +PG test ....I think it's probably more a state of mind aswell, because as you say the thought of not trying anymore is just sooooooo bleak well it's just not an option Sad xx

Hello and welcome LIBBY70 yes I'm afraid spots is one of the side effects as is greasy hair and some hairloss (but that doesn't happen to everyone - I think it depends on the dose you are taking...plus you should be tested first to see if you are deficient in that hormone (testostorone ??) So I was a bit scared to take it BUT have heard great things about it also.... plus you are the good side of 40 so you have that in your favour......sorry about your losses too it's bloody harsh isn't it....

I often sit here and think I wonder if I did go for IVF would they be able to test all the eggs before (well more likely 2 or 3 at my age) putting them back in then at least you know that the eggs were viable.... it's the waiting every month not knowing if the egg even got out of the starting blocks in the first place that is frustrating... Then I think what are you thinking !!!
A - I probably wouldn't even be able to get good odds for treatment at 44 (that's if I found a Dr to agree..
B - I don't know if I would like to be pumped full of hormones... and
C - It's so bloody expensive !!!!

But wouldn't it be just brilliant to know if there was some good eggs left so you had something to go on some hope to cling to ....
oh here goes Muchlove again rambling on (I swear this ttc lark has sent me over the edgeGrin)

Anyway back in the real world hoping them 'feelings' mean something for you this month HIPPY and hope the temp back up and cramps is also good news for you DIEGE

It's beginning to feel a bit like 'Bletchley Park' during the war round here .... we are all speaking in code and watching what we say Confused ha ha

Muchlove to all x

louisesh · 06/01/2011 14:32

Thanks Hippy I ve a feeling in my water all will be good for you too.XX

Italiangreyhound · 06/01/2011 16:54

Welcome LIBBY70

Newbies please ignore me, I pop on from time to time but my periods have now mysteriously stopped so I am not really trying and certainly none of this sex with intent malarkey! But soon, someday, I will get a donor and get my final chance!

In the meantime I am keen to lose weight!

Ladies if you are serious about wanting to lose weight watch this about a man who was about 55 stone (not 70 stone as they said in the article - which just goes to show they did not actually watch the documentary when they wrote the article!). It is very sad and moving, yes, you feel frustrated watching it but he was addicted to food and it really does make you think I wonder how it can happen

Watch it: here

Read about it: news.bbc.co.uk/local/suffolk/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9341000/9341368.stm

It is actually quite interesting and although sad and upsetting it does make you realise there is a much bigger picture (if you excuse the pun!).

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spilttheteaagain · 06/01/2011 20:54

louise I was wondering how you were getting on and just popped on here and saw your news Sad I'm so sorry, what a terrible, cruel disappointment. Will be thinking of you x

And hello hippy! Fingers crossed for your 2ww. And get you with your digital OPKS! Very posh Grin

louisesh · 06/01/2011 21:22

Will post in a couple of days off to Buxton for the weekend with dh,mum and dad to stay in a nice hotel [As opposed to a crap hotel!!!].Have a good weekend all XXX

Af tapering off so back to swi for fun yeh!!!!

Special mention to Hippy when you testing? Big FX for you XXX

hippychick66 · 06/01/2011 21:47

louise you are such a sex siren - fancy being excited about shagging just for fun Grin Confused - enjoy your week-end. Not testing for me for a week and fully expect bitchy witchy to turn up before that - ho hum.

spilt Hello youngster (that means sod off you make us all look too wrinkley Grin) Seriously though, hope you're ok - yes I bought digital OPK's cos I'd run out of cheepies - don't tell DH - he would die if he knew the price. I know what he'd say... Let's just shag anyway, why does it matter if there's an egg or not - but we know it matters immensely to know if there is a chance - don't we girls!

lunatic I'm sure FH didn't think that - anyway, it's all behind us and decisions have been made now. The main thing is that you and tank are both fine and your babies are too. Sorry to hear you had to spend some time in hospital. How much longer have you got to wait now?

hippychick66 · 06/01/2011 21:49

muchlove your comment made me laugh. Coded messages are being hidden in my large silk draws as we speak Shock.

NewImprovedJollster · 06/01/2011 21:52

shagging for fun? FUN? ShockHmmEnvy

hippychick66 · 06/01/2011 22:25

jolls you and me are so alike!!! Grin

Who was it on here was gonna try Zumba?? Have been invited to a class by a friend but am A) worried I will die of exhaustion and B) worried about my weak lower back. Anyone tried it yet?

Italiangreyhound · 06/01/2011 22:48

We did a Zumba move at my Rosemary Conley class. It is tough but if I can do it I think most people can. It is like Latin dancing!

gumblossom · 06/01/2011 23:31

Hello all.

I googled the melatonin/inositol/folate stuff and it sounds good. Apparently Dr Schoolcraft - the "Go to" guy for ivf when no one else will help you, uses the protocol, and DHEA and has had great results with quality of eggs(and quantity too). I'm going to give it a go without the DHEA. I wouldn't want to do that without a doctor on side, just cos it might work against me.

Of course buying melatonin here is really hard.So far I can only find the homeopathic type, which isn't going to cut it! I can get inositol quite easily. I'll keep looking and may have to get it sent from the US. I'm always open to trying anything natural (to a point)...even if we aren't ttc.

DH hasn't said much at all. He did say that he'd thought about it because he could see how sad I was, but honestly, he doesn't want another baby. I do not know how to soften his heart. All I can do is be honest with him, and pray he'll change his mind. I don't want to use any contraception, so he'll just have to go without sex for a bit until he changes his mind!

Lately he has been really close to our youngest DS. It's almost as if the miscarriage has made the difference.It may be because I've been dealing with my grief and have been less available, but it is nice to see.It's really good, but it also makes me feel so sad that I won't see him with our lost baby.

I talked to my Drs surgery yesterday about the pathology.They didn't know where it was, but tracked it down.The report isn't ready, maybe today or on Monday. Whenever it comes, it will be a blow, but I do want to know as much as possible.

Deige, I hope your cramps are due to a very strong little bean burrowing in.

Hippy, I had to laugh about your DS and his slanket. Very funny, and had to read it out to my Dh who also found it very funny.

Hang in there girls, 2011 will be OUR year!Smile

gumblossom · 06/01/2011 23:52

Just found this info on the net.

Melatonin could improve women's IVF success - Important Research
Yes, Melatonin can help fertility! There has been research done and published this year. Melatonin helps improve egg quality. The study done in Japan showed that the fertilisation rate of the women taking taking Melatonin was 50%! And then of the embryos that were transplanted 19% of them grew into successful pregnancies. So this really boosted the success rate of IVF. Women wanting to get pregnant without IVF (Naturally) can take this supplement too. My doctor, here in Japan, has given me 3mg to take 5 minutes before I go to bed, daily. He suggests to rest 2 nights per month towards when your period might be due, at the end of the month. This is to allow your body to produce its own melatonin and not to rely totally on the melatonin. The Melatonin is an anti-oxidant which means it enhances our immune system, has anti-inflammatory properties and is said to have anti-carcinogenic properties (kills cancer cells). The anti-oxidative effect on our eggs helps to make nice, healthy strong eggs that have a higher chance of becoming fertilised.
If you are trying to get pregnant and are in your late 30's or into your 40's then you might want to take Melatonin to enhance your chances of becoming pregnant. See below for the recent article about the Melatonin/Fertility study in Japan.

Melatonin could improve women's IVF success
20 September 2010
By Harriet Vickers

Appeared in BioNews 576

Women with poor egg (or oocyte) quality could double their chance of becoming pregnant through IVF if given melatonin, researchers have found. The work was presented at the World Congress of Fertility and Sterility in Munich last week.

'Despite great advances in assisted reproductive technology, poor oocyte quality remains a serious problem for female infertility', said Professor Hiroshi Tamura from the Yamaguchi University Graduate School of Medicine, Japan, who led the research. 'So far no practical and effective treatment for improving oocyte quality has been established'.

High levels of oxidising agents - a type of chemical compound - in the follicular fluids surrounding the egg indicate if a woman has low quality oocytes. These can 'stress' and damage the oocyte. The team took one of these agents known as 8-OHdG and measured its levels in follicular fluid samples. Levels of melatonin, which is known to have anti-oxidising effects, were also measured.

The team found that, as melatonin concentration in the follicular fluids naturally increased, the level of 8-OHdG decreased, leading them to believe melatonin was linked to the reduction of the oxidising agents. They confirmed this finding in mice, and discovered that adding melatonin seemed to reduce the damage to the egg caused by the agents.

Next, the group set up a trial with women coming for IVF treatment at the Yamaguchi University Graduate School of Medicine to see if these findings could have real-world effects on IVF. Women who had failed to become pregnant because of poor oocyte quality after one cycle of IVF were split into two groups - 56 women were given three milligrams of melatonin before the next IVF cycle, and 59 just received a standard IVF cycle without melatonin.

The team found that melatonin treatment significantly increased melatonin concentrations in the women's follicles and significantly decreased concentrations of the damaging 8-OhdG. Their results showed 50 per cent of the eggs from women who taken melatonin could be successfully fertilised, as opposed to 22.8 per cent in the control group. When the eggs were transplanted into the womb, 19 per cent (11 out of the total 56) of the women became pregnant, as opposed to 10.2 per cent (six out of total 59) in the control group. The work was published in the Journal of Pineal Research.

'This work needs to be confirmed, but we believe that melatonin treatment is likely to become a significant option for improving oocyte quality in women who cannot become pregnant because of poor oocyte quality', said Professor Tamura. 'Our next step is to analyze exactly how reactive oxygen species harm the oocyte, and how melatonin reduces oxidative stress in the oocyte'.

Professor Russel Reiter from the UT Health Science Center, San Antonio, Texas, who co-authored the paper, agreed. He told BioNews: 'it is important that this work be independently confirmed on larger numbers of subjects'. But he added that the findings 'make perfect sense', as melatonin has been shown to protect many different cells and tissues from oxidative damage - the same type of damage known to occur to oocytes.

muchlove · 07/01/2011 11:14

Great findings GUM...... it must be the scientist in me but I do love a study... see I told you the trials sounded good. If you are going to try the DHEA try and get your gp to test your blood for deficiencies so that you know what dose to take. With the Melatonin I'm too scared to take the 3mg as just taking the 1mg makes me groggy the next day. But I remember taking it a few times when i have travelled long haul and it did help me sleep. Yeah you may have to get it from the USA if it's hard to get there. The Inosital is very good for us (wish I had known this 2 yrs ago) so I have added that to my vitamin regime now, which is
AM Marylyn Glenville Fertility boost
Vitamin C 1000mg
Inosital 500mg
Zinc

PM MG Fertility boost
Inosital 500mg
Melatonin 1mg
B6 100mg
Vitamin E
Folic Acid (the fertility boost contains 400mg in each capsule so that makes 1200 mg per day

Have stopped using the the Omega 3 plus DHA as I think I read there was a contradiction with taking it aswell as the Inositol/Melatonin ?
Also you shouldn't take Vitex with the melatonin as they both contradict aswell.

Another good one is COq10 (but it has to be the high quality Ubiquinal one) and they cost a bloody fortune. But I have taken that aswell in the past though not at the strength to have much effect - I think the strength needs to be 200mg x 3 a day !!

Ok enough of the science class for now....

Yes HIPPY twas I talking about the 'ZUMBA' as I got DH to buy me some dvd's last year only to have put them away ...then couldn't find them... but have now found them and when I get a mo am gonna start giving it a whirl.......

Aah LOU I remember the days of having uncalculated - just for fun 'sex' .... muchlove stares off into the distance all melancholy..... ooh god whats gonna happen when all signs of fertility do leave and the big 'M' shows up Shock I am dreading it....will I still be at it in my 50's and 60's..... oh f*%king hell it doesn't bare thinking about.......

Speak later xxx

muchlove · 07/01/2011 11:27

Sorry GUM just re-read ur message and realised you are not trying the DHEA (DOH!)

x

Curlylox · 07/01/2011 11:42

muchlove sounds very interesting so where can one source these supplements please? Also can you break all this info down for me in layman's terms as my brain is on annual leave since I've not been in to work Wink

NewImprovedJollster · 07/01/2011 12:12

totally befuddled by the complexity of vits and supps, but on my to do list is to order my DHEA as recommended by the consultant I saw at the clinic recently - 75mg/day...? from here... dunno if that helps Curly?

Just watched the last two EEnders on catch-up. Mistake.

hippychick66 · 07/01/2011 12:34

jolls so if it was recommended by your con that means it must be ok to take whilst TTC. Does he think it will improve the quality of your embryos then??? It's all so confusing isn't it - I wonder what to do for the best.

LIBBY70 · 07/01/2011 12:55

Morning all , thanks for the warm welcome from everyone.

V interesting reading re supplements etc.
I went to the Zita West clinic after 3 MMC and was told to supplement with Vitamin D and DHEA as these are the things which decrease as we age -obv on top of their v exp supplements!! and extra folic acid.

Have stopped taking the DHEA as it gave me really bad spots -well assume it was that as i got really greasy skin and hair which "much love" said was a side effect.

hippychick66 · 07/01/2011 12:59

libby I take it you had tests to see if there was a reason for 3 MMC - was it just put down to bad luck???

RuDiegetheRedNoseReindiege · 07/01/2011 13:00

Afternoon all Smile. All this vits talk can got me thinking again. I had been very much on the Marilyn Glenville bandwagon, but found I was spending loads every month. After the mc I got to thinking I might as well just go back to basics, all the good the poshies had done, but not sure now that my pregnacare, extra folic acid tablet, and omega 3 are good enough for an oldie Confused
Well I am out for certain this month, and pretty early on in the cycle too Sad. Had massive temp dip today (below coverline), and only 11dpo so what a rubbish Lp, even if af starts tomorrow. On that point, should I realistically count my Lp as ending for this month with the temp drop, or is it the actual af I should take it up to? Confused
Hippy the baton is well and truly your's to take now for testing time - anyone else waiting?

BeattieBow · 07/01/2011 13:29

oh poo diege, am in similar position too fwiw - 7dpo and have started cramping. I have it in my head that when I am pg I won't get any cramping at all. i don't think I am many days off af arriving either.

I only take vit b6 and folic acid at the moment. I have to arrange to go back to the expensive consultant (not recognised by bupa grrr) and maybe she'll advise me to take supplements. I will go back once rtd arrives and start the month of follicular tracking. oh joy!

Hippy looks as though everything's pinned on you this month!

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