Wishful thinking i know but........................................

[Jemma7]

Everyone will probably see this thread was started by me and think "Oh god, not her again".

You can tell it's getting towards that time of the month.

Anyway, on day 26 of cycle - have had a really dull tummy ache for last 2 days as if A/F is going to arrive - actually been going to the toilet to check it's that bad (Gross i know but i have to be graphic).
Woke up this morning feeling really sicky but thought i was just probably hungry as had not eaten last night - therefore went to the shop to buy a Mars Bar (Healthy, i know) and have now just thrown the whole mars bar back up again.

Is it just wishful thinking? Can't test yet as cycle's vary from 28 days to 38 days.

Sorry Jemma, what I meant was WAS your p late? (I know you already have it).

quackers - have just replied to you on the thread re your dd's party. good luck with the counselling if you go for it.

Thanks all, I've had more than my fair share of fuss I think and I would hope I would be just as supportive for any of you. You're all very kind!! Bleeding is terrible now, using a pad every hour, so going to nurse this am for swabs and taking anti biotics. I feel more postive today but dd has croup and an infection so I was at Docs earlier for antibiotics for her and will go back later - never away from the place!!!!!! We'' just stay in and play today!
Jems, you didn't post Fri that's why we didn't know about AF!! Well now is the strat of a new cycle but I would perhaps see the Doc about your P's if they have gone so bad for you. It sounds v painful and long. Just might be worth a chat about it.
Egypt, hey don't be daft, I would rather talk about someone alse's stuff, I can handle that, just not my own!!!! How are you, tell us how it's going???? I am very confident for you this month, my dear friend is having the same syptoms as you and I'm really excited for her too!!
xxxxx

Jems, don't know if you;re still using this thread but didn't want to be selfish and take over the ttc thread or others. Yes bleeding very annoying, this happened with the last m/c, it would stop and start and be fresh bleeding. It's worrying. It did sort out though in the end so hope this will reslove soon.
I had a little thought and don't know how you feel about this but it is a tiny possibilitly if your P is very heavy and quite late that it may have been a biochemical pgcy. I only say this because you had so many symptoms before your AF arrived it seems odd to be heavy again. I beleive it happens alot if your P is heavier and a little late that the egg fertilises but fails almost immediately for no more reason than it wasn;t quite right and does not proceed further than a day or 2. Just might be a reason if you;re looking for one, like I say it's only cos your symptoms were so prominant. Only a thought but might shed some light on it for you I don't know.??

Ahh thanks Quacks - your so sweet!
I was thinking something along those lines myself because things were definitely different before A/F arrived!
God, panicing now - what if this has happened before? What if it carries on happening?

Oh Jems, that's exactly what I didn't want. I just thought some perspective might help to determine what might have happened and it's only a might. It's the very first hurdle a fertilised egg faces and very often fails at this one. Please don't worry, it's definately what I didn't want to happen!!! From another perspective it also means you can conceive. LOL, sorry for bringing this upxxxxx

Don't worries Quacks - i would prefer to know what all the possibilities are.

Having a nightmare, am leasing a car but the company i am doing it through are being a nightmare so have got to start searching all over again - ARRGGGGGGG!!
I'm like a kid - i want it and i want it NOW!

Hi Jems, gosh wouldn't like to cross you in a dark alley!!!! Don't worry, we'll get there and at least we can come on here and talk about it together, we're both a bit panicky and probably worry too much about stuff. I ahve just rung this counsellor - god I hate that word- she;s on leave for a week now. Ah wellm just ahve to wait, then I'll be off loading my worries and stress. God I even look a mess now. neglecting myself at wee bit and the house. Must go and clean a bit this eve. Hope u sort out the car!!! LOLxxxx

What about referring to her as a coach or mentor - doesn't sounds as harsh as counsellor.
Only a suggestion!
Hope it all goes OK for you quacks - might do you good to talk to someone you don't know, who doesn't know anything about your history, someone who you can tell everything to.

Quackers,
I really hope it works for you talking to someone.
I had a fab chat & blub to my homeopath not so long ago.
It was all getting to me. 1st my m/c happened on DS's birthday, then I went through the due date, then the 1st anniversary. chatting really really helped. I still get upset especially when ttc is taking so long, but I can look more positively now.
It was far easier to tell her how I was feeling than explaining it all to my DH.

Hi all, Quackers hope you chatting helps. Jemma, don't worry, these things happen all the time I am sure, half of all pregnancies fail b4 they even get off the starting mark (that is if you have had a biochemical pgcy). If you have you know you can conceive, and that you are ov.

Hi Bogwoppit!

No news as yet. Boobs are still quite sore but not as much as yesterday. Over the last couple of days had a second shift in temp. It went up loads and stayed there for 2 days. Read somewhere that a week or so after ov (when the 1st temp rise happens) if the egg implants you often can get a second rise!! So was v v v v excited and jumping round the house. Mmm a bit prematurely admittedly. But today it was back down to where the post ov line was Stupid me! Putting it down to the heating coming on! Realised I am 2 days behind twiglett, also on her first round of clomid. Fingers crossed for us please!!!

Oh Bogwoppit, I'm really sorry for your loss, it's such a bugger isn't it. I think those first few hurdles are the worst and it's only then I think things will get better, hope that's right anyway! My first due date is coming up very close now and then there will be another in March, after that should get better. I'm so sorry that a significant date is on your ds's birthday, you can say oh it makes you think of them etc.. but I bet you would still prefer it to be another day, separate feelings and all that. How long have u been ttc now??

Hi Egypt, grt to hear form u!!! Gosh this is really getting exciting now!!!! Bloody hell, when can u test???????????????????????????, want u to wipe that smile of your bosses/colleague's face!!!! I don't know much about temp rises but have just started doing mine now. It's really good and easy too! At least your temp is still above post ov, don't panick just yet chuck!!!! Fingers are tightly crossed now!!!!!!

Hi Quackers! Great to hear from u too! I usually miss everyone on here as i cant check at work and everyone else seems to only be on here during the day.!! Anyway, i reckon i can check on sunday. thats 14 days after ov. not sure i can hold out though, never have b4!!! Can i also just say a great big fat BALLS. I have posted message on another board that i sometimes frequent (not as good as this one) and have had a reply from someone offering me advice. Dont get me wrong, its very kind, but i now feel a kind of kick in the guts. Can i just copy it for you? Get this:

One of the reasons why I am writing to you is that I note you have PCO. One of many problems with this is that the cystic follicles on the ovaries do disappear (I wonder why your case was described as "mild" only to be replaced by further cystic follicles. I have polycystic ovaries also but was diagnosed with PCOS.

Would strongly suggest you do not use opk's at all as apart from the expense of the things they are of no benefit to PCO patients. This is because these kits detect LH hormone; in many such people this hormone level is elevated hence the misleading readings.

Are you being monitored by blood tests and ultrasounds whilst on clomid?. This is particularly important as this can raise the blood levels of LH in some patients (as some PCOs patients have an excess of this hormone anyway this is the last thing you need). You should be monitored in any event and not left.

You will need to be persistant in order to get answers.

Good luck with the clomid course. Will talk you through lap or hsg if either is needed.

Now what do i do???? have i done all this for nothing. have i messed my body up now? surely it cant work. GGGGRRRRRRRRRR, so mad. Bugger.

quackers. thanks for asking
13months ttc since m/c
I fell preg 1st time of trying = DS
then when he was 10mths fell preg 1st time of trying again = m/c

so it's a bit of a shock for it to be taking so long, but I am exploring many avenues.
have used OPKs but last month seemed to have a constant dark line.
just got persona ready to try & am booked for reflexology.
then I'll go & see docotr again. I went about 4 mths ago & he was most unhelpful. - "it'll happen, at least you have 1 child" you know the sort of comments.

I hate that attitude. As I have said before, you look at your dd/ds and know what you have lost, they haven't a clue. I am currently having a similar worry with the LH levels. My Doc has sent for hormone checks, have u asked for this - blood tests?? It could be nothing but Egypt will tell u all about LH levels and the poss of PCOS about 60% of m/c are caused by this and it certainly doesn't mean ( as you have proven ) that you can't have babies. Just a possibility as you said about your LH. Let me know what u think. It could also add to the length of time to conceive but again Egypt can help here as I'm no expert. xxxx
Egypt, really don't know what to say, you sound so frustrated and angry with this and I don't blame u. I know people aren't recommended to use sticks but if you are taking Clomid to regulate etc.. then if you have a surge and ov, temp rise then why not use them. I am no expert on this at all and rely on you for advice on this sort of thing!! However, how can u have messed up your body???? OPK's do not interfere at all. Have u done something else we don't know about?? I'm really sorry I'm not much help, but don't panick, you have symptoms too and I really don't think u need any stress right now. I'm thinking of, will go and have a bath and have a think for u. Will most probs post in am now though chuck. Take care and pls try not to panick. LOL and hugs xxxxxx

Oh Bogwopit, your Doc is a tit, go and see another. 12 months of trying and you should be able to access help, not least because of your loss. I hate that attitude - knob!

Ahh, thanks quackers. by saying have i messed up my body, i mean by taking the clomid. she said that it doesnt help with pcos, but can elevate LH levels when they are already to high. i think i am being a bit over the top when i say messed up my body. sure it will all be fine. anyway, take care love, speak tomorrow.xx

Bogwoppit, change your gp. You can shop around until you find a sympathetic one. Quacks is right, he's a tit.

cheers guys. off to find another one tomorrow.
I wondered about endometriosis because since m/c AF has been very painful. did wonder if some tissue form m/c went the wrong way. & that can lead to probs ttc.

all this self diagnosing. I am deffo off to find a nice GP & ask some questions.

Hope all goes well for everyone else on this thread.

Wish I'd gone back to work cos I used to get sneaky free pregnancy tests. My only perk for working for the NHS

Oh good one Bogwoppit, bout time you got some tlc and attention you deserve. Really emphasise your loss and how long you've been trying, if u still get no joy which I doubt witha good GP then maybe go private if you can afford it but I wouldn't have thought 2 GPs would ignore your stresses and worries in this way. What a git, call himself a Doctor.
Egyptm I see now I understand, well there;s one simple answer here and that is that you got your temp rise and it is still there, this is a much more ccurate way of both detecting ov AND pgcy, so the odds are with u. If u know what day you ov by temp, maybe u could use this method and cm if you have no joy this time??? Hope u ok today chuck, I was even thinking if u in bed last night - my ususal couple hours awake, sad eh!!!!

Ahh bless you, you are a sweetie. Yes i do CM, temp, the lot. Def got right day for ov but have also read that all these signs still dont mean that the egg was released. Someone explained it to me by using an analogy of telephone call. The signal went through and the phone rang but nobody picked it up. Hence, well you know, the hormones were there but the egg just didnt get released. hope its not in my case.

Hi bogwoppit, good luck x

Egypt, I'm sorry but if u get a temp rise it means u have defo ov'd. I'm going to find a link to show u, but it;s the only way other than blood test that can tell u. LH can give you that phone thing, where the phone rings but noone is there etc... I know I'm a geek, I spend ages on websites looking all this up. You ov'd girl - beleive it!!!

Quackers you are an absolute ANGEL I am sending you a tonne of babydust right now girl! I've had temp rises for the last few cycles but prog test said'no'. never was v stable though like this one is. maybe you are right! xxxx

Computer just failed, my post didn't post , ah well, try again! here's a link for u though. Hope it helps and that I haven't got your hopes up too much! Have you had 18 days now of raised temps????
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