Having difficulties ttc#2?

[Lychees]

After chatting on another thread, I've discovered that quite a few of us are having trouble ttc#2.

It's difficult to find much support in RL; people tell you that you should be happy as you already have a DC [I really am!] and unless they've been there, they don't really understand why it's so upsetting not to be able to get pregnant again so I've created this thread so we can share and we have a place that we can rant/vent/moan/support each other......

Sorry for the unimaginitive title ... marketing is not my area of expertise !

FYI, I'm 36, DH is 38, we have DS who is just over two and a half and we have been ttc#2 for 13 months.

We have had bloods and SA on the NHS and an internal scan and AMH privately and so far, our status is unexplained sub-fertility. If I don't get my BFP this time, next month we'll be having another SA and HSG privately.

I say get the fish out for some good slapping.

I have booked my HSG for next Monday. Hoping that it'll make me more fertile for a few months and ... you never know.

How're all doing this Monday? [God, I hate Mondays!]

Good luck with HSG lychees.

Mine is tomorrow morning, not looking forward to it but I'm hoping the same as you

hey all

sorry to hear you are out this cycle prinpo

i would like to get one of these coveted frozen trouts for the 'well meant' when it happens it happens comments i seem to average at about 1 a day my latest was from a super-fertile friend who has 3 children two of which were concieved while on the pill she said 'i know how you feel it took me 3 months to get preg with #3' ummm yep 3 months and 3 years are exactly the same frozen fish please...

hope everyone else is ok

im around CD18 but not really monitoring anymore as it doesnt make a difference... the (many) times i have been preg in the past 3 years have been on unmonitored cycles mainly

oh and lychees sorry you are out too

that'll teach me not to read the thread before posting properly lol

Hello,

I'm about to undergo IVF after a patient 3 years ttc #2. We have a wonderful son who was also conceived through IVF after 5 years of treatment and basically haven't used any contraception since he was born in the hope that we'd be one of 'those couples' who after years of struggling and treatment fall pregnant naturally after the birth of their first child. Unfortunately not the case, but it was worth a try!

I'm 41 and feeling nervous about my age, but the dr was positive saying your body has been pregnant so knows what to do. I'll have the FSH and other tests when period arrives and then the ball will start rolling.

Good luck everyone!

How many slaps do you think you can get out of one fish before it's rotten and needs to be binned? Just wondering because at this rate ... there won't be enough fish left in the sea.

Welcome bluedanube. Sounds like you have already had a very long journey to become a mummy. Wishing you lots and lots and lots of luck for your IVF.

Hello All. Busy at work but sneaked a quick look to see how we're all doing. Had a blow out at the weekend and was very hungover on Sunday. Still waiting for AF, few days late now, but that doesn't normally mean anything except it will be horrendous when it does arrive. Met my mum pal who just announced she as pregnant and managed to give her big hugs and be delighted for her whilst I was in her company.

I use frozen fish only - last for a good week or so and give a right good hard slap. Wet fish don't hurt enough and last a mere 24 hours

HI there!
I hope you don't mind me joining inthe conversation
I'm 29, DH is 31 and we have a ds who is 4
We started TTC numbber2 last October and I'm now on day 20 of cycle 14
WE spent the first 3 cycles just going with the flow but then I started using OPKs and for the last 8 cycles I've also been temping.
I've noticed that my post ovulation phase is extremely chort. I get a positive OPK on CD 21 but then my period arrives anytime between day 22 and day 26. I've been to the Dr several times and even took the charts with me but it was like talking to a brick wall
I managed to make her send me to have some blood tests ( several hormones, 21 day and 3 day test) and they all came back with very low levels of hormones . My Progesterone on day 21 was 2 and apparently it should be around 30 WEnt to see her last week and she just cound't even be bother to discuss the result properly wiht me and she sent me off after 2 minutes saying that the result was more than likely a one off and to go and repreat the test and kept asking me if i'd gone to have the blood taken on day 21 ( like if I was stupid!!!)I am so angry wih her becuase she's just not listening to me. I've been telling her for the past 6 months that my post ovulation phase is too short and I really doubt I am ovulating but she's just not listening to me Luckily I managed to book an appointment with another Dr for Thursday and I'm hoping this one will finally listen to me!!!!!!
I'm finding the whole situation so frustrating and I just want to cry everyday
How are you all coping with it? and Are your Dr listening to your concerns?

Hey all, hope you dont mind me joining in this thread.
I am in much the same situation as you and feel your pain. We have a DS who is 3.6 and have been TTC since his birth with two MCs and still no baby.... DH is 36 and I am 27 and yes I know I am young and should be patient, but my patience is all but gone now!!
We have been for all of the tests ( bloods, scans, sperm etc.) and apparantly everything is "normal" , although my cycles are all over the place. I can never work out when I will be ovulating and DH thinks I am now being neurotic which is "the problem!!"

My Dr keeps smirking at me through every visit I make, I think she thinks I am too young to be worrying about these things, all I want is to give my DS a brother or sister

Welcome noobs! Hope you have a short stay with us . It really does make me a bit that there seem to be so many of us in the same situation. It goes to show that all those people who tell you not to worry because you've already had one are wrong (if you see what I mean). I don't mean to be negative, but it makes me cross when people tell me that because I've had one we'll be fine to have another. It clearly it far more complicated than than!!

Luce do you use fertility friend? If so, can you post your most recent charts and some of us that also chart could give you our opinions too? (not that I'm doubting you - just I know it helps me to get other people's opinions on mine). I hope the next Dr. you see is more helpful

Whenisitmyturn : I would show you my charts if only I knew how to post them on here

ok,I think I've done it but it's only 2 charts cause I'm not a VIP so can't show all of them
Let me know what you think
www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ddc42

Hi all, especially to newbies!

I decided not to throw out the trout yesterday and have chucked them back in the deepfreeze, all the better for long-term fish-slapping plans, so help yourself if anyone wants any!

Luce I use FF and will look at your charts, but am currently forcing my eyes open with matchsticks am so knackered so will sneak a look in my lunchbreak tomorrow. I too have a short luteal phase, although only marginally (9 days), but am going to mention it at doctor's appt tomorrow.

kitcat your experience with your GP sounds awful, I hope you have a better experience with the next one, they can't all be that unhelpful.

Went to visit my friend and her 3-week old baby today. DS was cuddling her lots and kissing her head and it was a pleasure to see, but made me a bit too.

KitKat : I don't get these Dr ....mine too keeps telling me that at the end of the day I'm only 29 and have a son so there can't be anyhting wrong with me

8RD: that would be great!!!Thanks so much! My luteal phase is way shorter than yours..the longest has been 6 and the shortest 3 days

Hey KitKat and Luce. Welcome but let's hope your stay with us is a short one.

hi all

luce i know this may sound odd but if your AF is arriving 3 days after your +ve OPK then its likely that it isnt Ov you are testing and getting a positive from as you get a small LH peak right before AF caused by the drop in progeterone. when do you start to test with OPKs? do you temp right from AF or later in the cycle? i know...loads of Q's i am a late Ov'er- CD24-26- and was OPK'ing and temping too early so not getting a +ve or a rise and i have a relatively short LP though it varies from month to month (frigging hormones) only recently that i have stabilised my weight (heavier than i would like but better on the hormone levels now that my thyroid is stable and i am not constantly on a diet did you know that ketones in the blood when dieting affect fertility??) that my Ov has been around the 12-14 day mark!

anywho...if you are a quite early Ov'er you might be missing your fertile time by a good few days and therefore your day 21 test would be wrong as this has to be 7 days after Ov rather than on the 21st day of your cycle IYSWIM

sorry if you already knew all this i was surprised when i found out after temping for about 10 months haha

hope everyone else is ok

Luce do all your fertilty signs correspond? I.e. do you get 'pant snot' (EWCM) around the time you OV? It does look as though you OV around day 20, followed by a high temp which then comes down quickly. Are all your charts the same (ish)? I would definately get a second opinion. I don't want to sound alarmist as I am only interested from a fellow charters point of view, but I would try and talk to someone else who may be more sympathetic. Unfortunately, my experience is that charting is not taken seriously in the medical world.

PandaEis & WIMT: thanks for your input! I start using OPKs just after I finish my period(usually day 5-6)and I tend to get a positive around day 21.My CM starts changing around day 18 passing from sticky to creamy and then I get EWCM on day 20 and 21 plus ovulation pain on my right side ( I've got them as I type actually)
Also I temp from CD1
Not all my charts are the same..they don't seem to follow a standar pattern

I'm seeing a different Dr this Thursday and I"m going there with the printout of all my charts and I"m not leaving until he/she has had a look at them!!!

you know luce i think a change of dr is a good idea. i would also book a double time slot (if you are able) so you wont feel rushed out the door in 7 minutes.

Also, if you know what you want (maybe a referral to a consultant) then ask for it. dont wait for them to suggest it. If they say no, then ask why not, what would you have to do to get one etc. make them justify everything.

My AF arrived yesterday- 3 days early. Got more blood tests done today- including my fresh lot for my appt with ARGC the day after I get back from hols.. deep joy.

It really does depend on the Dr and some are more sympathetic and informed than others. Even at my practice one GP grudgingly ordered a Day 3 test though only for LH and FSH and then told me that I could do it on any day if the cycle. luckily I was more informed than him at the time. I went back a few months and saw another GP later and got a full hormone profile for day 3 and 21 and a referral without question where they measured my prolactin and oestrogen as well.

shamrock and lychees hope the HSG do the business for you. It worked for me with DS - was pregnant within 3 months of it after a long time trying. Was hoping it would work again for me this time but unfortunately I had it in May and nothing has happened since. Remember to take some painkillers in case beforehand.

Hello ladies,

I was hoping to join your thread. I am 25 with a 5year old DS. DP is 25 also. We have been trying since Oct '08 with no luck. We have never been pregnant since DS. We took a break after we became despondent about it all. We don't do temping or charting etc etc.

I had the implanon in until DS was 3, and stupidly believed it was be as easy as having it removed for us to become pregnant. Wish I had never had the thing put in now, but never mind.

I was on the Twenties TTC thread for ages, but gave up when it became too much. Don't think I have been on the buses.

Dr does not take us seriously as we are 'so young, it shouldn't be an issue' Have not had any tests done, we live in Ireland, so even going for a regular appointment involves paying for it. It's all rather expensive.

SIL is a bitch, who pops them out on command. She gave me the good old advice of 'it'll happen when it's meant to' or some shit. She is planning to start trying in December, so that she will conceive in January, so she can have a September baby. Bitch, and i just know that it will happen exactly like that for her. She tried for a month with her first. All she had to do was 'relax'

Some people have all the luck.

Sorry I have ranted and bitched, but it does feel good to put it out there.

duff oh my god i am sooo sorry to hear that, that is heartbreaking, sending you a big hug. Life is so cruel sometimes.

duff - I am so sorry to hear about your MC, that is really really really shit.