'The Frolickers Return' Come grab a place in the penthouse and join us for more antics as we sit back sip pornstars and trial hot off the press skincare products... all while we keeeeep shaggin!

[LankyLegs]

Settle down girls settle down as I hand you all a yummy pornstar cocktail complete with a sparkler and tacky umbrella. I take it we are all wearing our fabulous vintage 50's frocks, high heels and have our red lipstick on? Make yourself comfortable in the penthouse... the naked butlers are just heading in with grapes and truffles in trays...

All new first timers welcome - as long as suitable goodies and alcohol are dropped into the penthouse for all to share.

Oh and no AF around here - only FERTD.... Capishe??

Oh high heels sorry you are feeling down feel free to moan away the rest of us do, it's a hood outlet for it as at least we understand more than most. Problem with ttc although officially you are doing it together with your dh most dh don't know the half of it. They don't feel the pressure of the timings or the endless worrying about getting everything perfect. Hope you feel better tomorrow.

I bought the Emma Cannon book this ebening so hopefully it will arrive in a few days and make this month our lucky month!

Good morning ladies! I am feeling SO much better this morning, almost human! Thanks for all your get well wishes, it makes a big difference to know people are thinking of you, particularly with DH away during the week.

Highheels you can't get away from us that easily! We all have our down times and venting can actually make you feel better, particularly when the people you are venting at are in a similar position. I think the key is not to get bogged down: allow yourself to feel upset/down for half an hour and then give yourself a talking to. Remind yourself about all the wonderful things you have in life - your DH, family, friends, job etc.

Going to dash now, but will pop back at lunchtime. Hugs to all!

Hello lovely ones,

Goodness we are in the pit aren't we? Highheels don't you feel bad about venting and feeling down - I feel exactly the same at the moment and it can not be helped sometimes. That's the great thing about chatting to everyone here - they get it. I burst into tears this morning for some reason - think its all just getting too much and we need to remember to take time out and just do stuff for 'us' sometimes.

Cavey pleased you are feeling better! Nice to have you back!

Florin really sorry about FERTD - hope you stay bubbly and positive - and great that your scan is so close to ovulation. They should be able to tell you lots. Fingers crossed you don't have PCO. I think you will like the Emma Cannon book. Its a bit of a Frolicker rage isn't it?

Toria glad you are feeling better as well - such news can put you off balance sometimes - but as Truff said - its not the be all end all and of course hopefully the reflexology will help.

Truff enjoy the session today - pleased you are finding it useful/relaxing!

Crazy great excuse to get me to Pizza Express indeed!!

Acupuncture was good last night - felt stupidly sleepy afterwards but that isn't a bad thing I guess! The nice thing I found out is that she practices in the town we are moving too - infact that is where she lives so hopefully I can continue treatment with her when we move - plus its cheaper.

Right - better crack on - another busy day. Am starting to have second thoughts about this project - am totally fed up of it already and it runs until next June

Waves to garden and flick come back with your banter please! garden hope you are ok - any news of FERTD or otherwise?

Highheels don?t feel bad about complaining hun. I?ve done more than my fair share so it?s about time I returned the listening favour! Sometimes I don?t think DH?s see things the way we see them but as long as he?s there to comfort you when you need him that?s the best thing. Hope you feel better soon.

Nothing to report here, still got very painful tooth although the ibuprofen seems to have kicked in and brought the swelling down a bit. DH cooked a lovely meal last night but I could only eat a couple of mouthfuls as it was too painful, and then went to the pub with friend but it took me 2 hours to drink one lemon and lime as it?s really sensitive! Anyway, it was a good night catching up with a friend I haven?t seen for ages.

No Jsing last night again but we were both tired and I?m worn out from not sleeping and being constantly in pain so I can forgive it. Will jump him if I?m feeling better this weekend

Morning All,

Sorry about your FERTD florin Your DH sounds lovely booking you a night away in a lush spa hotel Hope poor Wonky is ok :( My heart is bleeding for her, poor darling. Glad you are feeling positive despite the FERTD. Your scan would definitely show if you had PCOS so you should know one way or the other soon. I didn?t know you had a twin! How cool. How did she find out that she had PCOS? Was she TTC or other reasons? Has your Emma Cannon book arrived yet?!

Hope the SWI is going well tomboy

Glad you?re feeling right as rain today cavey although I have to say I am slightly suspicious of your symptoms..... I shall say no more Mrs!

toria, you poor love. Sorry your reflexology left you so upset but am glad to read that you have cheered up a little and are planning further treatments. I second what the others have said about it not being a medical diagnosis. The lady sounds like she really knows her stuff so if there do happen to be any minor hiccups or things that are out of balance, I?m sure she will be able to iron them out. Sorry you had a BFN as well love, but tit?s not over yet... :)

Josie- Ouch to your poorly tooth :( Hope the painkillers are still keeping it at bay. Hope half a job Harry did the full job last night

Karstan Welcome back! I?ll re add you to the list. Glad you ahd a lovely holiday and are at the fun stage!

LankyOh your clothes and shopping in Westfield sound so lovely! I?m jealous- shopping here is beyond crap so I get most of my stuff delivered but lovely places like Reiss and Oasis don?t deliver here :( I second crazy?s orders to get yourself to Pizza Express and get some Aubergines down you. Glad your second session went well- GREAT news about the lady practicing where you are moving too and bonus about it being cheaper! How are moving plans coming along by the way?Hang in their with work- hopefully you?ll be ready to pop come June and once your up the duff you will have a work schmerk attitude and all will be rosy!

Crazy :) You?re a sweetie! Hope your day at work is going well and you are not feeling too bleurgh.

truff enjoy the reflexology tonight! I have to cancel my appointment for Friday as I don?t know when I will ovulate this month and I?ve read that you are not supposed to have reflexology in early pregnancy and I don?t want any recently fertilized eggs to go astray! I?m sure it would be fine, I?m just a big ?what if...? person and I know when FERTD arrives I will blame it on having Reflexology. Im gutted to not be able to have any more sessions until my next ERTD as I was really enjoying it. I?ll be interested to hear if the cranberry juice and upping the fluid intake has helped so be sure to report back.

Highheels :( Big hugs to you. Please don?t stay away because you think you?re too negative. We?re here to help and support like the others have said. You are doing things to help so try not to feel out of control, in fact you are doing everything that you could be doing, plus more. I think men just don?t really get it, as much as they try- bless them, I just think that they can?t truly understand as it is not their body that is trying to be regulated, etc. Hope you?ve had a good day today. It does do us all good to indulge in our down days every so often so don?t bottle it up and don?t stay away either :) Orders from MissFlick

Raspberry Hope you?re feeling better hun. At the end of your last post you said you were off to POAS and you haven?t come back!! Where are you? What kind of stick did you pee on?! Glad you spoke to your friends and that all seems to be ok. Bet you were glad to have your man back after all of that.

Where are you garden? I?m really missing you xxx

Sorry to have been a bit absent- I am absolutely snowed under at work and it is really annoying me! My role as head of year largely consists of finding lost computers, dealing with parent complaints and lots of running around sorting out other people?s issues at the minute so I rarely have a chance to be at my computer and in the evenings I have been so knackered that I can just about keep up but then don?t have time to post! I have just got in and my head is pounding as I have literally not had a quiet minute to myself all day from 7.45 until right this second. I am not even exaggerating! All of my breaks have been taken up with meetings and my two free periods were spent on the phone to angry parents and interviewing lap top theif suspects, two meetimgs after school and then a life home with a full car full of people who want to chat! Aghhh. Told Mr. Flick that Mumnetting is my ?unwinding? me time so leave me alone It really is though so thanks for letting me rant and rave!

I have a day off tomorrow though for a public holiday and then am at a workshop on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (boo to that!) so will be able to sit at the back and spend lots of time catching up with you all :) I did have some good news at work this week though, I am getting to go on a year 12 trip to Bali! We are going for a week to work on an organic farm and then to a surf camp- it?s in school time too so I?m extra excited! Lets hope I don?t do a Mr.Toria and leave all my organising to the last minute!

For all of you Emma Cannon devotees out there, Mr. F just turned the air con on as it is hot and stuffy and said ?Are you alright sitting there under the air con, will it be ok on your cold womb?? He was deadly serious too !!

Just going to locate the list and then plus 2 to it [taxing emoticon!]

Wednesday's List
GardenPixie TTC#1, Cycle 9, UCL 30-35, CD33
TigerseyeMum TTC#1, Cycle , UCL 30, CD31
highheelsandequations TTC#1, Cycle 14 UCL 32, CD31
Womanlytales TTC#1, Cycle 6, UCL 28-33, CD30
Ariesgirl TTC#1, Cycle 7, UCL 27-33, CD29
Toriajayne TTC#1, Cycle 2, UCL 30, CD25
Yumstepmum TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD22
cookie moo TTC#1, Cycle 18, UCL 26, CD22
evilgiraffe TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28?, CD19
RaspberryTipple TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL ?, CD13
Alien06 TTC#1, Cycle 3, UCL ?, CD11
Puppygirl TTC#1 CYCLE 7 UCL 29-31 CD11
Karstan TTC#1, Cycle 4, UCL 28, CD11
kkas TTC#1, Cycle 14, UCL 32, CD9
TomboyWife TTC#1, Cycle 10, UCL 28, CD9
LankyLegs TTC#1, Cycle 12, UCL 27-29 CD6
JosieSmith1 TTC#1, Cycle 3, UCL 28, CD6
Florin TTC#1, Cycle 7, UCL 32, CD2

MI SWI A
TanteAC TTC#1, Cycle?, UCL?, CD?
Ilovemarmite79 TTC1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD49
Pinklady76 TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD43
IfAtFirstYouDon'tSuceed TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL 29, CD41

Not counting days
CaveMum
MissFlick
Mrs Kaloki
Miffles
Chalky3
Truffkin
DessieLou
Zippys

Recent Graduates
Seablue BFP 1 May
Oneof8 BFP 18 May
Aly323 BFP 20 May
applecharlotte BFP 29 May
papertiger BFP 31 May
Wannamummy BFP 1 June
Pipsicles BFP 6 June
Muser BFP 22 June
Superpenguin BFP 1 July
Haloflo BFP 22 July
Saor Alba BFP 7 August
MrsWajs BFP 13 August
stegasaurus BFP 27 August
Roamfree BFP 1st September
Kurlyvoice BFP 1st September
Crazybutterflylady 1st September
Cherrycobbler 3rd September
Crazydays 4th September
Bellaby 11th September

flick really nice to have you back. bless your DH - what a sweetie about making sure you are ok in the A/C :) lucky you to get to go to Bali!

cavey i have been to venice - it was shortly after our trip to prague, actually so would love to go back as that was years ago. really loved it :) i can also really recommend copenhagen - i think one of the frolickers went there recently but can't remember which one? wasn't you was it? so glad you're feeling better but make sure you stay in bed as long as you need to fully recover.

josie hope your tooth starts to feel better. that is seriously the worst. do you have a dentist appt planned soon? do you think you will need to get the wisdom teeth removed? i was lucky in that i only had one grow in and there was plenty of room. that said, the dentist thought it best for it to come out in order to avoid problems in the future and although it was a bit scary - really glad i did it now. hope you start to feel better soon.

lanky thanks for keeping us updated on the acupuncture. so interesting. don't worry about moaning about work. we've all been there and it sounds like your job is especially stressful.

highheels hope you're feeling better today but don't worry - we're here whenever you need a moan.

which is just what i'm about to do:

don't want to make this turn into an AIBU thread, but AIBU at throwing a complete hissy fit at DH last night when he called me at 12:45 (waking me up after already 2 hours of sleep) to say he had missed the last train and was in a cab home? he has never done this in the nearly 7 years we have lived together. it just so happened that he was out for drinks with the girl from work that i have always been a bit irrationally jealous of. i know there is nothing between them but friendship and it was her leaving drinks, but i was just furious. she seems to bring out a side of him that i don't recognise (last time it was that he had a few ciggies when he was out with her - and he doesn't normally smoke!) it's not that i don't trust him - it's just that i felt like with all we've been going through with this TTC and his stage fright issues, i only get the sad/anxious/depressed version of him at home and he goes out and lives it up out on the town with other girls! does he even fancy me anymore? anyway - i threw his pillow to the bottom of the stairs and locked the door so he couldn't come to bed and had to sleep on the couch. then i got up when he normally does to take a shower so he was late for the train we did have a chat when i got out of the shower and he apologised and said he didn't realise i had felt that way and even offered to stay home with me tonight rather than go out with some other friends as originally planned. it's not that i want to be a jealous wife and demand that he only spends time with me. it's just that i would appreciate him actually making some sort of effort to show that even if we still have our own friends/lives, he actually does want to come to me in the evening

anyway - so sorry i have really gone on too long now.... just had to get it off my chest...

kkas that's definitely not unreasonable. That's exactly how I used to feel with my DH but he just thought I didn't trust him, I couldn't explain to him that he was a different person with certain people. Anyway, I've given up now, but if you've explained and he understands I hope things are ok now.

I don't have a dentist appt and I'm terrified of going so gonna stick it out a little longer, though I'm trying not to cry as it's so sore and I'm such a wimp! I can't talk very well at the minute. When the top ones started the dentist x-rayed them and said although they were coming out at a slightly funny angle, they should be ok and unless they were stopping me eating or extremely painful I should leave them. I think this is only hurting so much as it's literally just broken the skin so hopefully once it's fully out it'll be ok. Top ones don't hurt anywhere near as much when they move now. I'm swilling salt water ocassionally which is helping a little, also helping to fight off infection.

MissFlick half a job Harry did the full job in the housework dept (even hung the ironing up ) but there was no JSing as I was knackered and seriously not in the mood, not that he asked anyway. Think this weekend we're really gonna make a go of it as there's no excuses then (if my tooth is ok that is!)

Hope your cold womb is warm enough!

Good God, Flick, Year 12 trips to Bali???????! When I was in Y12, we had a visit to Cardiff Bay (though I guess location may have a a little to do with it!) I hope there are some good instructors as there is some extremely hardcore surf in Indo. Your job sounds immensely busy.

kkas that sounds immensely reasonable to me. In my 35 years of being on the earth I have concluded that men are thick and sometimes need it pointing out to them very clearly indeed. I think you succeeded!

Flick I'm knackered just reading your post so can only imagine how you must be feeling at the moment! Looking forward to Bali must be nice though, although with a bunch of 17 years olds, maybe not exactly relaxing.

Josie get yourself to a dentist girl, I understand the anxiety but being in pain for so long is not good for you and you'll be glad afterwards when it's sorted.

Kkas I think it's reasonable, especially as you lost your temper in the heat of the moment and then talked about it rationally the next morning once he'd calmed down enough to talk about it sensibly. Second Rie in the 'men need simple explanations' about this type of thing, certainly my DH wouldn't always get my reaction to something without me talking through the logic with him. Hopefully your strop did the trick and he understands how you feel now.

So I'm still mentally merrily symptom spotting away. My fluid output to intake ratio has increased significantly (I'm weeing a lot more than usual!) and have had some twinges in the womby region (I wouldn't say pains, just twinges). Come on girls, you can tell me, I'm actually going native loony on you aren't I? I think it's because I've deluded myself decided that my cycles have developed a more normal pattern so this must be my month, I seriously need to get a grip. Someone kipper me now before it's too late...................

Sorry I've not been about ladies :) Things have been a bit mad here. Got my ultrasound on Friday to see what is wrong with my cervix etc. And my period is 11 days late - though that could mean anything at this point. I wont be testing till after I know if there is anything wrong. Couldn't explain why though.

Truffkin Don't think we've spoken before, so hi :) I think the minute you join the frolickers it's too late, you can't avoid symptom spotting then!

kkas Hope you are feeling better now, and that you and DH are good.

MissFlick Bali sounds fantastic! Can I hide in your suitcase? I'm only little!

HighHeels Not much help, but a lot of sympathy, it's hard isn't it?

PS. whoever changed me to Mrs Kaloki, thank you

Oooo hi Kaloki, how was the big day?!

Hope the scan shows nothing wrong

Was really good, went like a dream! Got to feed the giraffes, which was amazing! Feels like I've imagined it now though, still makes me double take when DH calls me his wife

Hi kaloki [waves]! Looking forward to seeing your wedding pics! So glad the day went well.

Flick I hear what you are saying and if circumstances were different I'd probably be thinking the same thing. But the fact is there has been a distinct lack of activity in that department of late. It's very hard when you live apart during the week and DH has been very stressed out by work (all the defence review stuff you'll have seen in the papers amongst other things).

On a positive note my Emma Cannon book arrived today and a quick glance tells me I am a Cold with a bit of Damp thrown in for good measure! Flick I saw you said you were Cold too - any tips?! I don't have the cold abdomen, but most of the other signs fit!

Anyone else care to share their type?

aries good to hear from you! I know, my year 12 trips were ever so boring- just up the road to study cliff erosion and long shore drift if I recall correctly! Definitely a locational element involved and also a lot of cash on the parent's part. Not like where I was teaching in my last job in East London! I think that the surf instructors will be pretty decent, I'd hope so anyway with 14 17 year olds to sort out! We are having 2, 2 hour lessons a day for 4 days so I am sure I will be a pro by the end of it [whatever emoticon!] Are you a surfer?

kaloki so glad you popped back- are there pictures on your profile?! Hope you got some of feeding the giraffes! How puzzling that ERTD is so late, but good that you have your scan soon and what will power you have not to test! Let us know how you get on with your scan, won't you?PS. you can def squeeze in my case :)

Cavey No real tips really- crazy is your gal; for tips I think as she followed Emma Cannon and got up the duff the same month! I have just taken to wearing my slippers all the time instaed of walking on the cold floor, having baths with essential oils and trying to do the visualisations and affirmations. I think I might try out some of the recipes over the weekend- the chicken soup with ginger sounds yum. I forget, wen did you say you were making a doctors appointment for? Your poor dh being stressed out- hope all is ok for him at work.

Excuse me truffkin but those symptoms sound very suspicious...I will indulge your mental for at least a week before I kipper you, so no luck here am afraid! Perhaps one of the harder Frolickers will kipper you in the meantime?! yes, I will have 14, 17 year olds on the trip with me and another teacher... not the world's most relaxing break but it's freeee and in school time so that more than makes up for it!

Oh josie your tooth sounds painful. Fingers crossed it os better by the weekend chick so you and Harry can get cracking! If you want some advice, bunny on the grads is an orthodontist....

kkas you are not being unreasonable. Like aries said, men are a bit thick and like I said earlier, they just don't get it! Your DH will probably be thinking all sorts of things about how he has done a good thing by letting you know he is on his way, not staying out, telling you who he is with etc and will be all puzzled about why you feel how you do. It's really good that he's sorry this morn- it really sounds like he genuinely didn't realise or think, as men seldom do! For what it's worth, there used to be a girl that Mr. F worked with who I just didn't like him going out with... completely irrational, as I trust him implicitly, there was just something about this one girl that I couldn't put my finger on...

Hope all of your day's are passing quickly :) Hi bella if you're lurking xxx

Evening ladies, and apologies if this post is short/perfunctory/completely incoherent/full of zzzzzs. DH has been on early shifts at work for the past several weeks and I've shifted my working day early to match his. Try as I might, I just can't make myself into a morning person. I feel like the waking dead. Zzzzzzz...

kkas you're defo not being unreasonable. Since time immemorial, men have been staying out too late and coming home too drunk, and women have been giving them hell about it. Better to tell him why you're angry than to let resentment fester and build up.

josie it certainly sounds to me like you need to see a dentist.

kaloki congrats on your big day! I'm completely about feeding giraffes.

I hope those who were feeling down are doing a bit better today.

I think I might be about to ovulate. I'm noticing what I think is a pattern of ovulating on day 10-ish, which matches up with the other pattern I've noticed, that my cycle is actually a bit shorter than the 28 days I thought it was.

Right, I'm off to cook dinner and, I hope, not fall asleep and do a face plant into the sauce pan.

well hello ladies, had a late post last night as we had been out for a meal. Very nice but have been a wee bit hungover today. t'was rather embarrassing as I was with work people who I am usually very reserved around but had a few wines at dinner and got the giggles really badly, I dont know what came over me I just could not stop laughing.

missflick remain calm, it was an OPK but I can't even get two bloody lines on that at the moment. I am starting to feel a bit fertile to be honest, bloated with a stitch like feeling on one side and loads of EWCM so getting a fair bit of SWI in which is fun if nothing else. Bali sounds absolutely amazing and probably well deserved with all your running around! We went to Alton Towers for our field trip when I was at school, oh how things change!! Surf camp will be cool, have you surfed before? I did it once years ago, I was in the water for about three hours and OMG I have never known aching like it the next day, I couldnt move.

Truffkin no need for a kipper just yet.... we can be patient for you and just keep everything crossed for you too.

kkas you are not being unreasonable, I would feel just the same and probably lump my DP one if he did that. As others have said though, men are particularly thick, well I actually just think they are deluded most of the time Hope you make up soon

Josie can you not go to the dentist with your tooth or have I missed a post somewhere? Toothache is just the most awful pain, you did well to go to the pub! I'd be curled up in a little bundle on the floor if I had toothache you poor thing! Shove some painkillers down your next and get SWI!

Bellaby your tennis partner might start to get paranoid, all these people getting pregnant while playing tennis with her!!

toria you are officially free to p**s away to your hearts content. Where did you get 22 in one packet by the way? Were they really cheap? I might get some.

evil congratulations on your first anniversary!bless you taking all of your kit with you too!

florin have a lovely time away tomorrow night, just what the doctor ordered I think... I might show this to my DP to try to give him some ideas!

Hello to everyone else I have missed, Im only half skimming the posts tonight as I have go and tidy up, I have a tiny house and only two of us live here yet it constantly looks like a dump!!! And something in the bin smells very odd...... ttfn xx

Am married to a surfer Flick. It's like being a golf widow. Have seen enough bloody videos of Indo surf to make me feel like I've been there myself.

Hmm, does anyone else keep seeing an envelope next to their "Inbox" tab at the top of the page? I keep assuming it means I have a message, then get all disappointed when it says "Inbox Empty". Boo!

Just finished a load of reading and a Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (Personality Test). You'll all be pleased to hear I am NOT a psychopath!

If anyone else fancies taking the test, you can find it here

Night all!

P.S. nice to see you back on a semi-regular basis Aries

Hi everyone and thanks for al your kind words and sympathy. It helps knowing that there are people who understand and who will not just say I'm being silly or irrational or mean or jealous when I have a whinge or a rant. Still feeling a bit down and to be honest I think I will until this cycle's over. Then I can start fresh again. On a positive note I managed to speak to someone at my clinic and explained about the irregular cycles without the clomid and asked about booking a HSG and told them I was concerned about the long waiting times. She was really nice and said that if I phone when my period arrives she'll try to fit me in quickly or else help me figure out when to book for. Now I actually wish FERTD would arrive soon so I can get the test done and check there's nothing causing problems, or fix anything that is, then get back on the clomid and start ovulating again. In the meantime I've started taking agnus castus, vit B6 and have ordered this after finding some stories about it online. Have also switched from plain folic acid to pregnacare conception to try and make my CM healthier and am considering salmon oil and wheat germ oil as they're supposed to be good for secretions! Plus my essential oils in the bath and eating pineapple just in case I've ovulated and missed it. Starting to feel a little insane though :o

Florin hope you enjoy the book and it brings you luck.

HRH glad you're feeling better. I think I am cold and damp, but also possibly a bit blood stangnant, and maybe slightly chi stagnant (but that could be just now as I've been feeling so down). Finding it difficult to stick to all the damp recommendations, especially excluding everything she says. Think I need to go back through all the lists and check my type again, or if there are any experts here that want to type me?

Lanky I've had a few days over the past couple of months when I've burst into tears (or desperately tried not to at work!) for no apparent reason. Know exactly what you mean about taking time out, but it's hard to switch off sometimes. Glad the acupuncture is going well and good news about the acupuncturist being able to continue your treatment in the new town, even better if it's cheaper :)

Josie poor you with your tooth. I had really sore gums a few weeks ago and DP went to the chemist and came back with teething gel really helped with the pain though.

MissFlick I promise to follow your orders. Your days sound more manic than mine! Much sympathy to you. It's horrible when you don't even have time for a break or to do the things you want to get done. Hope you enjoy the holiday day and the workshops (although not good having workshops on the weekend). Very jealous of your school trip, sounds much nicer than my weekend to the West Coast to be bitten to death by midgies and kept awake all night by 13 year olds falling out with each other. Your DH sounds like a love thinking about your cold womb. Mine just gives me looks (the kind that say "she's lost it" when I start talking about what I need to be eating during certain weeks.

kkas you are not being unreasonable. Everything you said sounded perfectly rational and understandable. Echo aries comment, men sometimes need a kick up the backside and things spelled out to them very clearly in flashing neon lights. Hope you're feeling better.

Truffkin, symtom spot to your hearts content for at least a little while before we slap you. If only so I can live gratuitously through your 2ww as I don't think I'm getting one this month.

Hi Mrs Kaloki glad you had a fab wedding day and hope everything goes well with your scan.

Tomboy sorry about the early morning but sounding like you're figuring out a pattern to your cycles, which is good. Have fun with the ovulation!

Raspberry good girl going out mid week, hope the hangover's not too bad. Don't worry about getting the giggles, I'm sure you were charming with it. Hope you've conquered the house, ours is permanently messy but still a work in progress so can't be helped really!

Hi to anyone else I've missed, going to go and try to do something nice with DP for the rest of the evening and maybe try to convince him to have some SWI just in case there's still a chance of my body producing an egg

Evening ladies! Just a quick one tonight, am officially miserable after hearing at the scout AGM that another leader's daughter gave birth a few days ago and was today told that her little boy will probably never leave the SCBU :( They're running an MRI on him on Friday so those of you who do, please send Christine and her family some vibes that all is not lost.

kkas Men are, indeed thick. Second everyone else in spelling it out to him and trying to explain your POV, however frustraing it gets!

Josie Sorry about your tooth, it does sound like you need to see a dentist love, I hate them too but needs must!

Miss Flick Very jealous of your trip to Bali, my year 12 trip was non existent as my high school didn't do them!

Raspberry I got 20 from here on Flick's recommendation and then got two free ones from here after a recent grad ( Saor Alba ?) posted a link. The Duo fertility ones are 25miu and the eBay ones are 10.

Right, I'm off to cry into my cocoa now, still feeling a bit down about yesterday but much more positive than I was, I am taking action and that is good, yes it is, I am, however, a big hormonal bag of snotty tears recently so doubtless overreacted and will probably feel much better once ERTD pitches up this weekend and my cycle resets!

Sweet dreams all xxx

toria you go ahead and have a good cry, even though I tell myself I don't want too it sometimes does good to just curl up in a heap and sob my little heart out. Hope you are feeling a little better this morning. The news about your friends LO is so upsetting, how awful for them. I hope there is some light at the end of the tunnel for them.

highheals you do sound more positive following your conversation with the clinic, hope it all goes ok. Hope you are feeling a bit better today too. ((hugs)).

hrh I was getting the envelope too last night, seems to be gone now. Mumsnet blip I suspect.

Right I must get up. Catch you all later xx

Last night I had hideous backache to the point of taking paracetamol (normally I'm rather stoic). This morning my temp has shot up. Obviously it has to be three high readings in a row to confirm ovulation (I think?), but so far I think signs point to yes. :)

Kaloki - congrats on being a wife! I am also about feeding giraffes

kkas - hope you guys are ok now. I think you probably were a mite unreasonable, but then aren't we all every now and then? As you've given your DH an explanation when both of you were calm again it sounds like it's all ok now. I agree with everyone else who says that just explaining things really does work - so many people seem to expect their husbands/boyfriends to be mind readers, which is far more unreasonable than the occasional blowing up and then explaining.

raspberry - sounds like a fun evening! I am known among certain groups of friends as the "entertaining drunk", so I feel your pain!

Thanks all for the one-year congrats, I can't quite believe it has gone by so fast! It feels like DH only proposed the other day...

Hey everyone ,

sorry I have been MIA for a a few days but been a busy bee again. Will make time tonight for a proper catch up as best go to work to look after the little ones!

have a great day everyone x

Morning, just quickly popping on before I head off to Durham Prison (for a visit, not being chucked in!)

Tooth still horrendously sore, haven't slept for 4 days, gonna bite the bullet and go to the dentist... if it doesn't stop by Monday

Good good news on the JSing front, had major breakthrough last night and it was gooood!!! All it took was a flash of my bare arse and he said he just couldn't control himself! It felt so good to do it without thinking about getting pg. Far too early so was just good old fashioned JSing

Will catch up properly later