'The Frolickers Return' Come grab a place in the penthouse and join us for more antics as we sit back sip pornstars and trial hot off the press skincare products... all while we keeeeep shaggin!

[LankyLegs]

Settle down girls settle down as I hand you all a yummy pornstar cocktail complete with a sparkler and tacky umbrella. I take it we are all wearing our fabulous vintage 50's frocks, high heels and have our red lipstick on? Make yourself comfortable in the penthouse... the naked butlers are just heading in with grapes and truffles in trays...

All new first timers welcome - as long as suitable goodies and alcohol are dropped into the penthouse for all to share.

Oh and no AF around here - only FERTD.... Capishe??

Afternoon Frolickers, hope your Mondays are going well if that's possible for a day that marks the end of the weekend.

I had a great weekend, nice lazy evening in with wine and pizza watching Big Brother on Friday, shopping for new shoes and a winter coat (already!) on Saturday afternoon then out for drinks and dancing for a friends' birthday on Saturday night. Yesterday was a definite recovery day with me and MrT taking a sofa and fleecy blanket each and spending the day watching a mixture of football and films then rounded off with a chinese takeaway. We even managed to fit in a few SWI episodes so all is well.

So not everyone sounds like they are full of the joys of autumn today. Sorry to hear that and although I know there is not a lot I can personally do to cheer people up, I come armed with virtual pornstars, chocolate truffles and a butler in the buff to serve them all so hopefully that will raise some smiles

Josie sorry to hear you are feeling blue sweet cheeks, maybe if you can explain to your DH how you are feeling he might make more of an effort? I'd been able to get into my head that it could take 6-months to get pregnant once my cycles had settled into a routine (and I know it can be longer, but this was about as far as my non-TTCing brain could reach and feel comfortable with in advance!) so I'm still feeling excited and a bit scared of having to be a proper grown up and like we are just starting out. Try to plan in stuff that is not related to TTCing so you can build it in as just one thing you are focussed on, rather than it taking over your thoughts (and I do appreciate that this is much easier said than done)

Flick great news about your tests and getting the results so quickly. Fingers crossed you hear good news tomorrow. The cheap treatments sound like a great perk of being HK based, although we have a salon at work so I do benefit from reasonable prices even in central London. My reflexology is costing £20 for 45 minute sessions, which I believe is quite good for these parts. Hope you enjoyed the Strictly launch show. I fast forwarded through a lot of it, but always watch the pro dances. The group dance was fairly scary though, I think we will be in for quite a few weeks of dubious routines before we get to the good stuff. I think for Ola at least she has someone that could go in the first week or two (not withstanding the annoying people who vote for crap celebs like Kate Garraway to stay in) and then focus on the pro dances for the rest of the show. If you're not in with a chance of getting to the quarter final at least, I think it's best to go out early rather than struggling on with a lost cause! I feel sorry for poor Anton who always gets paired with someone either rubbish or who has no chemistry with him. I would have liked to see him with Felicity Kendall.

Garden so nice to hear from you and really pleased that you sound so chilled and upbeat. Sounds like you have a great consultant as well, it's good to hear a positive story as on these boards you hear of so many people who aren't happy with the 'customer experience' they get during the AC process.

Lanky am absolutely with the others on the thread starting luck for you, but understand why you don't want to get your hopes up just yet. Keeping everything crossed for you.

Tomboy am hopeful for an announcment from you soon too, although symptoms might be hard to spot whilst you are nursing paintball induced bruising! I did PB a couple of times with my previous work colleagues and looked like I'd be beaten up

Alien sorry about ERTD, totally unreasonable to be the bearer of bad news and make you feel crap at the same time enjoy your recouperating snuggle time while you can.

Cavey that sounds so frustrating and like the others I can't believe you have to wait 6 months with no ERTD before investigation. I'd second the reflexology recommendation, I've only just started but find it gives me a real relaxed feeling after the appointment and I believe it has already had an impact on a kidney problem I was managing or it could have been a coincidence I suppose Have you tried agnus castus? I've heard about it several times on MN as lots of people have tried it to induce ERTD in long or late cycles.

So I think I've rambled on enough and have to get off to a meeting (I was typing whilst taking a bit of a lunch break so eating at the same time - the joys of multi-tasking!) keep your chins up Frolickers, there's always someone to rant at / moan to / celebrate with () in the Three Follicles!

Afternoon all, thanks for all the lovely messages. It's so nice to be able to talk to others who understand. DH is trying his best but he is a pretty laid back person and is very much of the "it'll happen when it happens" school of thought!

Flick thanks for the suggestion of reflexology, I have been thinking about it so perhaps I should just bite the bullet.
I had also thought of dear kurly!

Lanky from what my teacher tells me the dance world is very bitchy. It is one of the reasons why she no longer trains adult pros. She concentrates on teacher training, teenage competitors and adult amateurs.
She told me that she hates the lack of loyalty - there are many more men than women so the men can pick and choose their partners whenever they feel like changing.

X-post with Truffkin - yes I'm on on AC at the mo, but it's only been 1 month since I started taking it.

I think the problem is that I had 2 "normal" cycles (28 & 21 days) when I first came off the Pill but nothing since. If there had been no ERTD at all after coming off the Pill then perhaps the Drs might be more willing to step in.

I think the key is to try not to stress [laughs ironically] and carry on SWIing in the hope that things will sort themselves out.

I will look into the reflexology (we have a Chinese Medicine Centre in our town). I was also intrigued by the Mayan Massage that someone mentioned, but sadly there don't appear to be any practioners near me.

Thanks Truff that sounds like good advice. I'm slowly starting to realise it's not the end of the world, especially as it's only been 3 months. And that there's more to life and I should enjoy it while I can

Hello, hope everyone had great weekends. We went to our best friends wedding it was the best day had so much fun and even though half the women there seemed to be pregnant not even that got me down.
cavey I had very similar thing to you, 2 normal cycles then one extremely long one then after that they reduced by about a week each cycle with my last one being 31 days which I think is quite normal so hopefully the same will happen to you. I really feel they should warn you more about how much the pill buggers up your body. I was talking to the groom yesterday about ttc as they are thinking about starting in a year so he asked me what my tips were and I said just come off the pills and let her body settle down so she stopped taking it today. (so wish someonechad told me that).Dh picked up my new car on Friday so been driving that around, feel very grown up with an estate car! I'm in the last week of my 2ww not that hopefully as already started to get a few spots which normally means etrd is on it's way. At least I feel more chilled about it then last month. Think having scan booked helps as at least now I feel I am doing something positive about it.

Hi Josie go easy on yourself lovely, sometimes it does all feel horrendous. Yes there is more to life and all that, but this is still really important so if you want to have a wallow then we're all here! One of the odd things I've found is that sometimes I am totally chilled about it all; whereas the next minute I can be really down.

No rhyme or reason to it.

Anyway, I'll be shuffling along to the three follicles later so do let me buy you a pint (of wine, that is)

Sorry florin x-posts. Glad you had a lovely weekend! And cool about the estate car! It's great that you have a scan booked, feels a lot better if you have some input / control over things

Glad you're not too down about it Florin. My body doesn't give me any signals that ERTD is about to arrive until the actual day (except PMT but I'm moody anyway so not a reliable indication ) so I've got no indication so far and will have to stick to my guns until then.

I am not going to POAS until I am officially late who am I kidding

Oooo Garden that sounds delightful thanks! See you in the Three Follicles this evening

Florin sounds like you had a lovely time at the wedding! Am pleased you are feeling positive and chilled out this month too - I'm sure it helps! And how is the shiny new car?!

Truff your weekend sounds bliss too - I love those Sunday's where you feel the right to do nothing but watch telly with blankets and yum food. Also - bloody fab you have a salon in work! How brill?! I just looked into acupuncture at £65 a session!!! Make the most of it - I think I would be doing some sort of treatment every week

Lanky I'll make you a deal: if you go to the gym, I'll take my hound out running?

Garden and Lanky I'll add to that deal, If you go to the gym and take hound running I'll ride horsey (although not too strenuous just in case )

I think when you feel crappy you should do some exercise, will make you feel better afterwards

Thanks Ladies - Ok it's a deal. I was sooo was not going to go but just logged on and saw your messages!

Will report back after gym sess!!

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Ok girls I'll get in on the deal, if you all do the exercise you've talked about I will make the sacrifice to SWI tonight - 2 birds with one stone!

Hope you all got through Monday ok, I've been bloody knackered. Now off home (slightly earlier than usual given tiredness from the weekend!) for pie and mash and the new series of the Inbetweeners!

Just got in from my run ... shattered but pleased I went! How are the other exercisers feeling?

Truffkin you go girl!

I'm just coming back into SWI time, and DH is away until Wednesday night, arrrgh! At least this week we've got a long weekend holidaying to celebrate our first anniversary - hopefully we should be able to make up for lost time!

bl dy hell we have been busy talking today!!! I had to scroll for ages to get to the bottom,ooooh where to start!!

toria you really do have my full sympathy with that horrible woman, she sounds absolutely horrendous and her poor little boy. Jesus. Hope you are persevering with the SWI deary! I am back on the wagon this week, we were going to get going last night but both headed up to bed and decided we just couldn't be bothered. I really do get very lazy in the evenings! Must try harder....

alien how are you feeling now after a few hours in bed? sorry you feel so crappy. Hope the shopping trip went well yesterday though and you bought lots of treats, I tricked DP into coming with me yesterday and it wasn't a good idea, its always at least £50 more expensive if he comes with all the treats he puts in!! And re people thinking you might be PG, a while ago one of the girls in admin got pregnant and people knew someone was and I got the blame from a few people!! I just starting saying 'no im not, but thanks for noticing I put on a few lbs on holiday'. Shut most of them up quite nicely! Sadly the girl who was actually pregnant lost the baby, felt awful for her. We tend to do rounds where I work, we had a round of 6 people went off PG then a round of 5 so I was hoping she was going to set off the next round and I would be next, gosh I feel awful saying that now but that's exactly what I thought when she told me she was expecting - 'yay' me next!

missflick hope you enjoyed your day of doing nothing yesterday, I had a day of self inflicted doing nothing which I hate, don't mind if I chose to but if its because I cant think of anything to do it drives me bonkers! not sure whether I would be brave enough to try drunken pole dancing, my friend had a go in a club in Brum and went to fling herself on at speed only to completely miss and hit the deck. Ouch, said she nearly died of embarrassment!

tomboy no ERTD still sounds hopeful. Painful boobs can be a sign of something other than ERTD ..... fingers crossed for you

Josie you are doing very well but sorry to hear about your problems with DP. I had similar problems with mine years ago and we had a big blow up about it, got quite bad though and I said if it didn't stop we would have to split up. He took it all on board and reduced his "PC" time considerably and now very rarely plays games at all unless I am otherwise engaged... i.e. on here updating on the gossip! Hope you sort it out lovely, its so frustrating, I know exactly how you are feeling so you have my sympathy.

HRH 6.30 start? Crikey, that would kill me, I'm a 9-5 er and getting up at 745 nearly finishes me most mornings! I hope your FERTD shows up soon, 6 months seems a very long time to wait before they will test, very unfair?!! Hope you are ok.

hello garden hope you are feeling better! nothing worse than being laid up with a virus

Lanky sorry you think ERTD is definatley pending, I will keep my fingers cross that it isn't and you have a little bean in there!enjoy acupuncture too... I know I want to give it a go but am one of the 'its not scientifically proven so I'm not doing it' school and am just too stubborn at the moment, I'm working up to it though! Hope you made it to the gym!!

truffkin I could get to like you turning up with these men in the buff..... and not one, but a 'few' SWI?? hats off to you and Mr T!! Very well done

florin wedding sounds awful [awful] and well done not feeling bad with all the pregnant women around. I had a few days over the last week or two where just looking at a little one made me want to cry but I must definatley feel a little better as in the supermarket yesterday I saw a couple of teeny tiny babies and they just made me smile and feel nice and warm inside rather than all knotted and emotional. The former is much nicer than the latter!

As for me, not feeling to bad today, ERTD has gone pretty much, not feeling so sorry for myself and got a bumper batch of folic acid on offer in sainsbury's yesterday so that was good! I'm off now to throw myself about a pole again, highheels I shall be asking to try the Gemini so wish me luck! Still have bruises from last week so they will only look worse in an hour I suppose.

Hi everyone else and big [hugs] to all that need them. There seem to be a few today that are sad or feeling under the weather. Do keep your spirits up ladies, we will all be mummies one day and amazing ones at that, our time will come and we will look back at these days when we wrote on this forum and remember them fondly and without the worries that some of us have at the moment xxxx

Lanky Sorry you're feeling grotty :(

Josie Sorry you're having problems with DP, been there love, hope he takes what you've said on board and things pick up soon. And if it makes you feel any better I have turned from a rational person who read her horoscope for a bit of fun to someone who checks it religiously and takes any bit that might possibly relate to TTC to mean I am pregnant. Now.

Cavey Cannot believe you have to wait six months! I think my longest cycle was 35 days and I was chewing my own arm off (at the time being pregnant would have not been a good thing at all)

Still not sure what's going on with me, still getting ovulation type pains, though CM has changed (sorry, TMI again) which is giving me hope as we haven't acually SWI since Thursday due to OH being exhausted. Will try and get my wicked way with him tonight and hope for the best! My back is aching again so I'm trying very hard not to symptom spot as if I have even ovulated yet it's barely happened ah sod it all. October here we come!

Well done garden and truff too! Or is that later truff ?!

Had a good session too and pleased I went in the end.

Rasberry pleased ERTD is disapearing - bring on the SWI-ing?!! I know what you mean about accupunture - will see what the therapist says on Weds - am a bit sceptical - plus it is really quite expensive and they want you often to comitt to 6 sessions. Will keep you posted!

Toria my dear - sorry you are not sure what is going on with Ov - maybe just SWI through it? I'm with you already - heres to October to being a better month! I think there have been soo many bfps it's almost slightly harder accepting another fail month! Grrr! Never mind.

Waves to all else - just going to watch eastenders and settle down for the evening.

Thanks feck Monday is over!!

Hi to everyone, hope you've had a good start to the week. I'm feeling slightly guilty as I failed to make it to the gym and my abs class this evening, although partially because I got out of work stupidly late.

Hope the poorly frolickers are taking it nice and easy and starting to feel a little better.

HRH sorry about the lack of ERTD, I know exactly what you mean about feeling helpless, sometimes I think that's the worst part of this whole business.

Josie so sorry you've been feeling down love, hope you're feeling a little better and have prodded your DH to get his act together.

Alien poor you, sounds like you've had a rough couple of days. I had a couple of my pupils last year tell me there was a rumour going around that I was pregnant (and that they'd been analysing my 'bump' in class), it was during our first few months of ttc and ERTD had recently arrived and needless to say I was not happy.

garden good to see you, glad you're feeling better, we've missed you!

Lanky sorry for the impending FERTD signs, and I agree it's impossible to do positivity on a Monday. Hope you enjoy the acupuncture, although prepare to be wiped out after if you're anything like me. I was quite sceptical, although trying not to be as I'm sure part of it is mind over matter, but it had such a dramatic effect on how I felt for a few days that I'm sure it's doing something. Fingers crossed it works for both of us.

MissFlick glad you're getting a thoughrough checkout, and great to get the results so quickly. Hope everything is okay. Also good that you're managing to get some pampering without the extortionate price tag, anything that is nice and relaxing has to be good for you :)

Truffkin your weekend sounds blissful, I am very , but will let you off due to the thoughtful provision of chocolate, booze and eye candy.

Florin glad you managed to have a good time at the wedding and you're enjoying your new car.

Raspberry how was the gemini? I'm looking forward to hanging upside down on Thursday, it's been too long since my last class :o

Toria sorry your body's confusing you, I echo Lanky's advice and say when in doubt, shag :o

Well still no definite signs of ov here, thinking I may just have to resign myself to the fact that my body just does not work without chemical intervention. :( Have bought myself some agnus castus, but don't know whether to try them now or wait until next cycle? Anyone with experience of them know? Work was fairly awful today, nonstop and my to do list gets longer by the minute. Plus we have loads on for the next few weekends so don't know when I'll get any time to chill out or do all this relaxing we keep getting told to do. Very tempted to pour myself a glass of wine and curl up with my book (reading Room, excellent, definitely recommend it) but part of me thinks I shouldn't really have wine. Although another part of me thinks why the hell not, nothing's working just now anyway so one glass isn't exactly going to do any harm. Maybe I should have a herbal tea, but it just isn't quite the same.

Oh and, in a non ttc related rant, was pleased yesterday as I managed to find a 40th birthday present for DP. Was looking for something he could keep and found a company where I can get a cherry tree. He's been saying for ages that he wants to plant a tree in the garden so I thought that would be somthing nice to remember the day. Ordered it and put a note in with my order asking if they can delay the delivery as his birthday isn't for a couple of weeks. Got an email today saying it's dispatched. How am I supposed to hide a 5 foot cherry tree for 2 weeks???????

Very forgetful today, and to whoever mentioned it, sure me and raspberry can provide some entertainment and show off our moves in The Three Follicles!

highheels a cherry tree! How lovely! They are so beautiful, I am sure it will do its best to hide for you until your DH's birthday. What a lucky DH, they symbolise all manner of brilliant luck and good fortune (my DH is a gardener so is well versed in all these things) so I am sure it will bring you much happiness and definitely a little person!

A quick note to MissFlick I hope all your results are OK, fingers crossed

I am off to bed now as my hound has passed out in the hallway, my cat is asleep and snoring on the sofa and my DH is very keen on his whiskey so am anticipating much snorage in an hour or so.

Night night fabulous frolickers xxx

Been out for dinner with dh and the mil for dinner tonight then home to watch the first of the new series of the inbetweeners.
highheels you made me laugh imagining you trying to find inventive ways of hiding a tree. Any chance you can run it round to a friends house before he sees it? Lovely present idea though.
Managed to drive the new car to work and back sucessfully today without pranging it, does make me feel slightly sad when I see empty back seats though its a family car without a family in it :-(

We all seem to be a bit down in the dumps at the moment. Why can't ttc be easy? I just want to be pregnant