'The Frolickers Return' Come grab a place in the penthouse and join us for more antics as we sit back sip pornstars and trial hot off the press skincare products... all while we keeeeep shaggin!

[LankyLegs]

Settle down girls settle down as I hand you all a yummy pornstar cocktail complete with a sparkler and tacky umbrella. I take it we are all wearing our fabulous vintage 50's frocks, high heels and have our red lipstick on? Make yourself comfortable in the penthouse... the naked butlers are just heading in with grapes and truffles in trays...

All new first timers welcome - as long as suitable goodies and alcohol are dropped into the penthouse for all to share.

Oh and no AF around here - only FERTD.... Capishe??

flick x-posts there. glad to hear that your dr seems very understanding and thorough. sorry for the news re the cysts, although it sounds like it's best to take the dr's advice and go back for further scans, etc. although not helpful i know when there is so much to worry about with TTC! but good to know it sounds like you're in good hands and at least you have started the ball rolling if you do need help ovulating. really hope you get some rest and your headache gets better.

Just googling- Has anyone heard of multicystic ovaries before? I can't find much? Who was running the help line? garden, was it you?

Thanks kkas- x posts with you there :) xx

flick does this help?

I think it sounds like you've got a good one there, she's thorough and explanatory AND positive. You have to do as she's told though and not worry - easier said than done I know...!

xx

Hi Flick yes I am on the helpline today! I think multi-cystic is like polycystic but not as entrenched. So, instead of having lots of medium sized follicles sucking up the FSH, you get a few - while this is more than non-PCOS ovaries, if you've got few enough, one can still grow to be dominant and receive enough FSH to pop. Does that make sense?

Sounds like we might be in a similar boat as my consultant said my ovaries were not characteristically PCOS as there weren't huge numbers of follicles.

The blood tests should show more though as they'll tell you whether there are enough follicles to upset the hormone balance or not.

Fingers crossed and hurrah that you have a lovely Dr.

Right, back to smelly meeting. Seriously considering chucking in this particular client so I can spend more time thinking about pretty Agas and playing with my hound ...

Hi frolickers, I just wanted to come on and post and thank you all so so much for your lovely comments. It has taken me a while to be able to come on here and post even this message. All you messages made me cry loads and realise how special this board has been.

I am still checking up on you all - huge congrats for the BFP's and for FERTD for EvilG. Maybe I was bad luck spreading our infertile crapness!!

Not much to report at my end, still no ring - decided angainst proposing as after discussing with a friend we decided it is something DP needs to do and also I as corny as it sounds I want to be proposed to.

We are trying supplement etc but the doctors are pretty clear all that will do is improve ICSI sucess rather than natural chances. But I still have a little hope one little sperm may get through . But most likely it will be ICSI, so we need to decide if private or NHS, and if after or before wedding.

My head is still in a muddle, I have good days and bad days and somethimes just want to burst into tears but we are getting through it.

I would urge anyone who has been trying for while to try to push for tests and a SA.

Good luck to all my lovely frolickers xxx

Flick sounds like you have had mixed news - good thing is that you got a very thorough examination which is more than you would get on the NHS here like you mentioned.
Weirdly I also have a cyst on my left ovary and have to go back next week for a follow up scan - try not to worry about that as it may just be because of the stage of your cycle you are at.
Sounds like garden has given you some good advice on the multi-cystic ovaries. Well done for getting the check up - and fingers crossed you get ERTD soon - did she mention anything about that?

Kkas am sorry to hear about your DH - that must be really tough for your both. It is obviously a pressure thing and must be hard for him I can imagine. Have you thought about just suggesting to him to have a total break from TTC, take a break and holiday and maybe get him into a better place before you try again? I think many men can suffer from these things and the more they think about it the worse it can get. As if TTC wasn't hard enough - it can take such a toll on the relationship. I have heard that relate is good - maybe its what you need to clear away some of the anxieties for him? xx

Zippys lovely to hear from you - you sound like you are being super strong so you should be very proud of yourself. Sounds like you have some decisions to make around ICSI - and also the supplements etc will all defo help - like you said it only takes one little determined swimmer. Please come back on and tell us when MrZippy's proposes (i am sure he will soon enough) and again it will be something lovely and positive for you to focus on together when it does happen. You are sorely missed on this board xxx

Thank you all for your hugs and support. I went back to the park for my run this morning, to dispel the negative aura from Sunday so we're back on track again :)

Flick When I had my scan, they said one ovary had cysts while the other didn't because there was a follicle in there. Mostly if you have polycystic in one then it is in the other..however regardless it doesn't stop your follicles from growing - it just makes it all a bit erratic. So if there are follicles in there, agree with garden there's still certainly a chance of one becoming dominant and you ovulating. Note that 1 in 4 women have PCO it's really really common and most of these women end up have healthy pregnancies et al. The ovulation issue occurs in some folks and it is relatively easy to deal with it via medication like Clomid. Sorry - am not sure what multi-cystic ovaries are..you probably know my experiences with the specialists / I've actually given up taking my list of questions because their answers are so indequate. I am really glad you're seeing a good one - so let them run the tests and set the direction for you. You're in able hands :) My specialist said that because they saw the polycystic ovaries in the scan and I am not ovulating that means I have PCOS. I am sure there are many other permutation-combinations but he didn't enlighten me!
Zippys Thank you for popping back in here - You are in my thoughts - wish you the very best of luck. Glad and am proud of you for getting through this.
lanky Our SWI is going well - every other day since the scan and through till Friday before I am off for my holiday. I have no idea when I am ovulating or if at all...given my body's weirdness... I feel that it happened on Friday..but then my feelings are really no real indication... if only I lost a pound for each time I felt I was pregnant - lol
Big hug to you kkas - Hope the situation improves for you and DH.

Florin I HATE that too. Being 25 I also get "But you've got plenty of time" How the feck do they know I've got loads of time? My aunt was 21 when she had her daughter and was never able to have another. Bah. Stoopids...

Garden What a complete nobber! We used to know someone like that, suffice to say, after his performance at our wedding we no longer see him...

Womanly Likewise, what litle feckers! Hope you're feeling better today love, all else fails, sart carrying bags of shoes to throw at them (not sure why shoes, but that's what came to mind)

Flick Your Dr visit sounds mainly positive, fingers crossed your cysts are temporary and clear up quick! At least she's positive and willing to discuss her findings with you rather than keeping you in the dark.

kkas I know a few people who have been to Relate and they recommend it. This must be so hard for you both

Zippys Good to hear from you, I know I don't really "know" you but I'm glad to hear you sounding more positive.

Not much going on here, OH is being surprisingly nice to me of late, and even backed down last night in an argument over housework, think he thinks if I am calm I wont keep trying to talk about ovulation and SWI lol. Off to make dinner now but will be back to see you all later when he goes to scouts I imagine. Hope everyone's Monday wasn't too traumatic!

Right, am just back from the doctor and feeling a bit weird. Apologies in advance for being me-me-me but just need to see if anyone understands any of this!

Firstly, he had the results of my ultrasound from when we were trying to work why I had such a long period last time. They showed polycystic ovaries - ok, have heard of those, not great but lots of people have them - and a "subendometrial cyst" over a cm long.

He seemed to think that yes, I was pregnant, despite the obvious odds given the previous results, but when I asked whether it could be a false positive he was like "yes, there are lots of things that can cause HCG as well as pregnancy but you probably don't have them". ARGH.

Have a booking-in appointment with the midwife in a fortnight and we'll see what happens but am feeling not very happy and don't want anything to go wrong. And the first site I got to when I googled the cyst-thing had a woman who'd had a miscarriage and then they found it. The worrying never stop, does it?

Oh kurly I am sure it will be OK and am definitely keeping my fingers crossed for you. I think he is right that there are other things that can cause hcg but they are so rare and obvious (ie properly big ovarian cysts, much bigger than mature follicles). I don't really know what a subendometrial cyst is so I can't really help on that.

Is he doing further tests? Will you know anything before your midwife appt?

Well hello all, Monday is finally over, phew

Garden - can't believe the tosser at your party. How rude! I too would ask them not to smoke in the house and have been know to throw people out for trying to. Nice that you have a consultant friend.... can you bring him to the Three Follicles for a pint so we could have a Q&A?!!

Highheels and all those suffering hangovers yesterday.... hope you are feeling better today!!! We went to a family party on Saturday and I was on driving duties so DP had the hangover yesterday not me!!!

Truffkin good luck with the SWI! Glad your cycles may be settling, must be such a pain when they are all over the place.

Hey Mrswajs [waves] nice to hear from you. embrace the sickness my dear!!! How was your first midwife appointment?

Alien how were the little darlins? Did the rain hold off for your little bear day? Try poas again in a few days, i have my fingers very crossed for you!!!

Bellaby - did you make it to the gym? You are a much better person than I if you did! I really have to drag myself!! Im a big lazy nightmare I really am [smiles]

Womanly you poor thing!! your brother sounds like a typical well meaning but totally plonker man, they dont have the greatest ability to think before they speak then look all hurt when you turn around and tell them to Fu** orf! As for stoopid kids, just ignore them, there is no excuse for that behaviour but its not worth getting upset and you did the right thing going back there for another run.

kkas, nothing I can suggest sorry, not really come across the same problem to the same extent although my DP does occasionally lose it half way through but I've felt the best thing to do is be casual and pamper him, it usually comes back but this sounds more often so perhaps relate might not be a bad idea?

Flick sorry to hear about your multi-cystic, not heard of that before but there is bound to be info out there, sometimes it can be a nightmare to find it though so fingers crossed for you!

Kurly, what a nightmare, sorry to hear that but like garden I have my fingers crossed for you.

Well, as for me, had a slightly traumatic time at the family party as I dont have the best relationship with my father who turned up but he didnt stay long so I was ok in the end and my DP, mum and step dad were all there to protect me so all was ok.

My ERTD has yet to rear its ugly head although I had a few cramps this morning that then went away. I poas this morning as I am usually a 28 dayer ish (sometimes can be 30 days) and it was a BFN but I have, today for some reason had increased CM (sorry TMI) and have been very bloated for about three days now so am now fully engrossed in mental symptom spotting. I am going to test again on Thursday if still no ERTD and go slowly bonkers until that point!!!
Hello all else I have missed or not spoken to, hope we are all now enjoying the lovely wet weather !!! I am now off to throw myself around a pole for an hour xx

Evening All

Nice to only have 1 page to catch up on after today!

womanly well done to you on getting straight out there on the running. What idiots. I also think you are doing amazingly well. After my dismal failure to go to the gym this morning I could definitely do with taking a leaf out your book.

Flick can only really echo what was said one here. Sorry to hear the news was mixed but sounds like you are in good hands. Certainly sounds better than the NHS lottery. I'm still picturing you in the Christmas club

kkas I'm so sorry to hear that you are still having problems with your DH. I think it is definitely worth a try with Relate. I haven't been but have a couple of friends who have and found it really beneficial albeit for different issues.

Zippys thanks for popping in. Always lovely to hear from you.

raspberry I hope the pole dancing was good. Fingers crossed for your next test.

Big Wave to Lanky, Toria and everyone else

Xxx

Hello all

Thanks for all your lovely wishes on the weekend. I think I may have been clocked not drinking at the wedding but I was a b/maid so legitimately running around everywhere. I did have one sip of champagne for the toast!

LovelyLanky I really really hope this fred brings you luck and your 2ww is your last one for nine months. I find the first 7 days of the wait ok but the last few days a bit mental. Hope this goes fast and delivers positive results!

Flick my love, no medical insight to offer but just want to say sorry for the mixed appt. It does sound like she wasn't too worried though and v good she was so thorough. Hugs for you - hope you're feeling ok and not too unsettled xxx

Zips lovely lovely to hear from you! Glad you're doing okish. Am thinking of you lots.

Kkas sorry to hear about the tough time. I second what Lanky said - it is horrible that TTC becomes all about pressure and it can really take its toll on both of you. Maybe some kind of complete break or someone to chat to would be good? Can you take time off between old job and new job for a bit of a last minute jaunt?

Toria top marks to MrTJ for the niceness! Florin I completely agree with you with wanting to hit people who make the just relax comment. I certainly wasn't more relaxed this cycle. Although I did have lovely reflexology on the Sat, then we went away to country hotel for our wedding anniversary on the Sunday, when I drank lots of prosecco, had a facial and thats when I think current embryo was conceived (not in that order), so I have told DH that if this little one doesn't work out I must have lots of spa treatments every month, followed by minibreaks around the country, all in the name of boosting fertility .

Garden boo for meeting getting in the way of scan! Good to hear you are keeping up the good work with lots of SWI :)

Hello to crazy and kurly - like you I love the Three Follicles so much and feel so unsure about the early days that I can't quite leave.

Waves to everyone else

ps kaloki is it a bit stalkerish that I thought of you at the wedding I was at? Only three full days to go for you!!

raspberry The little darlings were so not that lol, I am knackered, not sure I like this Year 1 malarkey! I prefer older ones, I suffer from back ache constantly and with this year group I am forever bending over them (im 5ft 11") and using stupid tiny chairs lol.

Luckily this job is only until Xmas so I am job hunting at the moment too , for something in higher years me thinks!
The rain did hold off, was a tad windy but we managed to get it all done :0) They seemed to really enjoy it, they will get a shock tomoz when they are being sat down to do work hahahahahaha

Flick it sounds promising that you have an expert who seems genuinely caring and realises how much this means to you, so fingers crossed all the investigations work out well.

Zippy sorry to hear about you feeling low, but try to stay positive and I am sure things will work out , however long they take :0)

womanly just read your post, ignore those idiotic kids, at least you are doing exercise!! Good on you :0)

Sorry to hear about your brothers comments, I would have gone bananas at mine if he had mentioned anything. Luckily for me my family dont know we are trying and probably would not think we will yet as we need to move as our house isnt suitable lol.

Hugs for you womanly, children (and adults) can be so cruel. Sorry you've had a rubbish weekend.

Flick glad your appointment was so thorough but sorry to hear about the cyst. I'm sure I've read that they very rarely cause problems and usually vansih. I know it's hard but you really should try not to worry.

Zippys thank you for your message and lovely to hear from you.

Kurly sorry you're not managing to relax and still have so many worries. Fingers crossed for you love, sorry I can't offer any advice.

Well I'm not feeling fantastic today. CD15 and no sign as of yet that I'm going to ovulate this cycle without the clomid. Been using the digital ov tests and no smiley faces, temps seem to be all over the place and no EWCM in sight. On top of that I had a GP appointment this evening (that I ended up waiting 40 mins for so asked about the letter and what I should do re clomid etc. Was very unhelpful and just said I need to phone the clinic so looks like I will have to get over it and complain myself (I wasnt trying to get out of it Miss Flick honest!). Left feeling a bit down to be honest, he didn't seem to have any advice for me about the ttc. He did say that he thinks the way we're treated for fertility problems is very unhelpful as the best way to make a baby is to relax and make love and be happy (!) and the treatment isn't very relaxing. He also at one point said that we need to make sure that the ttc doesn't get in the way of our relationship as if we don't end up having a baby we need to make sure we still have each other. Not really what I wanted to hear. Oh I also managed to burn my hand yesterday and it's really sore and it kept me awake half the night so I'm knackered today.

Okay, whinge over.

Hi to everyone else, hope you're all okay and sorry for not posting a longer message but I have literally only just stopped and sat down and I just want to curl up with a glass of wine and read my book for a little while before I collapse into bed.

high heels I'm sorry to read about you feeling down :( why do GPs always feel the need to tell you to relax?! Crazy people , we all know that already !

Try to stay positive xx

Thanks alien, funny how they never recommend a large glass of red to help with that relaxation! xx

Evening ladies!

It's insensitive people a-go-go at the moment, isn't it? [womanly] so sorry to hear your brother was sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. My mum can be a bit like that and it's no fun at all. [Garden] if an unpleasant drunk person gets all shirty 'cause he can't smoke in your house, he can stick his ciggie where the sun don't shine. Me, I get mildly offended if someone asks if they can smoke inside, rather than asking the way to the back patio.

[Flick] sorry to hear about the cysts, but as everyone else has said, try not to worry too much as there are many, many women with them who go on to have perfectly healthy pregnancies.

Well, it's the end of CD28 and no ERTD in sight, though I felt very pre-menstrual this morning. If this is still the situation in two or three days I'll test, but I really think the lateness is down to an anovulatory cycle rather than being pg. So when the doctors phone with my blood results in the next few days and say, "Well, you didn't ovulate this month," I'll be able to say, "Yeah, I know."

Hello Frolickers, afraid i am a bit on the sozzled side but just wanted to say sorry for everyone who has had less than great news / treatment from drs.

Tomboy i am keeping fingers crossed for you that it is a BFP getting in the way of ERTD rather than a rubbish cycle (although I know how that feels so big glasses of porn stars if that is the case)

Highheels relax? WTF? I hate the implication that if only we would relax, we would all get pg. This is clearly shite and the way you have been treated re rubbish loss of letters etc can not be mitigated by you 'relaxing.' It will will will happen for you lovely, I am sure. Can we both cross our fingers for each other than we will ov despite clomid shortcomings this cycle?

OK, I may have had three one too many at the three follicles tonight so am going to excuse myself and head off to bed ...

Waves and apologies to everyone xx

Morning All

Just a quick post before I head to the gym - I can't use the lie in excuse 2 days in a row unfortunately!

Highheels - poor you. How frustrating! I am keeping everything crossed for you.

Alien I hooe that your second day isn't too exhausting!

Good morning Flick - hope you e had a lovely day

Have a good day everyone

Xxx

Morning all, I'm awake but should be asleep as it's DH s day for dog walking lol. My sore boobs have disappeared :( I swear I saw a nice blue vein on one too! Oh well, will see what thr next few days bring.

bellaby holy mackerel , u are very committed to the gym, I Am a member of one but have the will power of a flea. Well done u :0)
Today shouldn't be so tiring as I'm being mean haha. They need to learn that thru can't always play on non educational things so there will be some angry five and six year olds today hahahaha.

Right time to catch few more zzzzz's before DH is back ! Have a tantalising Tuesday everyone :0) x

Morning girls, posting during breakfast this morning!

Thanks for all the kind words about stupid doctors, sometimes I wonder why I bother going to appointments.

Oooh alien your veiny boob sounds promising, fingers crossed :) enjoy the snooze.

And garden definitely with you on the joint crossing of fingers, between us we could get lots of fingers crossed and that's bound to work.

Tomboy fingers crossed the lateness is for good reasons.

Bella I am also impressed with your dedication the the gym. I keep saying I'm going to start going in the mornings before work but it never happens.

Well still no smiley faces for me and now CD16 :( Plus am going to try and phone the clinic today and see what I should do next so wish me luck, and suggestions of what to say welcome. On a more positive note, acupuncturist on Thurs, I am simultaneously excited and terrified!

Must go now, have to get to work. Have a good Tuesday everyone.

xx