Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

Is this better orchid not sure where I got that other link from - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2db718

I've been trying for just over 18months now, with 1MMC and 1MC last year - the last in December last year. We conceived quickly both times then, but are on 7months now with not a faint line of hope. What's more, since my last MC my cycles have started spotting just before AF arrives ... which is new. And this month the spotting was from very early, so it feels as if things are not improving and as if something has been knocked out of synch. And I'm older - 39 - so time is really not on my side and I'm feeling it keenly.

I am honestly quite a strong person, but flip, I could cry for NOTHING these days. DH also feeling the strain. We went for a long walk yesterday - he took the day off because I went into a decline over all the spotting and nowhere to go for help - and we talked. Both of us in shock at how hard this has been. Both of us desperate for help and support and not really getting it. Both beginning to feel it will never happen for us. Even if I got a BFP, my experiences make me think I'll just have another MC, so... its all shite basically.

Good luck with your GP ... when I think about the GPs at my practice, my blood curls into a rage. I am so sick sick sick of being fobbed off and having to fight about everything......... I honestly hope you have a better deal than I do with mine.

Very good luck - please tell us how you get on.

(I still hope you get a shock BFP though.... maybe late implantation and slow rising HCG....??)

empty hang in there, we're all thinking of you.

choccie, hugs to you.(Un-MN-y or not)

LadyGoneGaGa and bessie mazel tov! The Charters strike again!

teason, for the love of God, girl, pee on that stick early so I can find out before I go to work!

hippy, you OK?

Got first mw appt next week. So nervous in case there's no hb. Would be so pants to lose it now at 15 weeks.

empty if it helps you could go down to your a&e tomorrow and demand a scan. Thinking of you.

teason I'm clearly having too much if all these bfps are based on hardly any at all. Looking forward to hearing your fr result tomorrow.

choccie apologies if you've been through this before but have you asked to be referred to a gynae based on your unusual periods (spotting that much is not normal), and get fertility help that way?

orchid any chance you've mis read your ov date? I once thought I'd ovulated (even had positive opk) and had what looked like a 23 day luteal phase. Turned out (once I really thought about it) that I so desperately wanted my temp to rise after that positive opk that I started taking my temperature twice and recording the second higher temp. So it looked like I had a temp shift. Not that I'm saying you've done anything as desperate as I have, but perhaps you started taking your temps a bit later?

Feeling a bit more of the progesterone cramps. Funny how sometimes cramping can be comforting, other times it's bloody terrifying.

Am on phone so not sure this will work?

to hippy

choccie change your GP!

teason have my fingers crossed!

at everyone else

Ah, empty sorry it's getting stressful again hon. Hopefully it's nothing but I know you must be out of your mind. I'm thinking of you xx

Empty I second the others - go demand a scan at the epu. Will hopefully set your mind at rest xxx

Spoke to the doctor on the phone this evening - she didn't seem worried really... said our EPU won't scan till 7 weeks anyway in case they can't see a heartbeat at 6 weeks and it causes unecessary worry - so it's just a waiting game I guess.

Spotting stopped within the hour anyway at least and it wasn't bright red.

I dunno.

Good morning ladies...drum roll please....

I am officially pregnant!!! BFP this morning

I literally cannot believe it!

You are the only people I've told - DH is away till tomorrow night! xxx

Yay!

Congratulations Teason!!!

I too got a BFP this morning! Can't quite believe it- after nearly a year I thought my one remaining tube may be a little worse for wear...

Woohoo for charting!

So pleased for you teason wishing you the most uneventful 9 months!

And congrats to you too Ell11!!

empty if it's any consolation in both my mc's the spotting pretty quickly turned to bleeding, keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Seeing bfps on here always makes me tempted to test. But thankfully it's far too early for such nonsense. Holding out till next Friday (15dpo) when I should theoretically see a dip in my temp.

Thanks digitalgirl - good luck to you this month!

Empty I had an early scan at 6 weeks with DD2 and there was just a sac with a tiny dot in it- had to go back at 7 weeks where there was a bean that was flickering with a heart-beat. It was an agonising week so waiting til 7 weeks is probably sensible. Fingers crossed for you.

Thanks digi and Ell11 It still hasn't sunk in, I keep going upstairs and checking again!

Digi I really hope I am you 4 days in the future this month IYKWIM xxxxx

Me too teason

Morning ladies, congratulations to Ell11 and Teason! Gosh the BFP's are coming thick and fast arent they?

Empty, the bleeding has stopped now hasnt it? I would take that as a good sign, i had bleeding in two of my pgs and went on to have successful outcomes. I have a friend who bled so much and was in so much pain that she was absolutely convinced that she had miscarried but her hcg levels kept rising so they scanned her and sure enough there was a baby AND a heartbeat in there. I know its worrying, and i really feel for you (i have had two ms the last one being 2.5 years ago at 11 weeks) and its a horrible time :( I dont know if this is practical for you but have you thought about getting a private scan done to reassure you? I went for one when i was pg with DS after that ms and i was only 5 and a half weeks and she found a heartbeat (this is the exception rather than the rule i gather though). It might put your mind at ease to know what is going on in there perhaps?

Im definately going to join FF for next month - i have woken up bang on the 4am dot for the last three nights though so not so sure how accurate my temps are when i have gone back to sleep and took my temp at my usual 7am time. I have seen a slight upward shift in the last three days - correlating with the positive opk i got so i really hope i am 3dpo - is it normal to only get a slight shift upwards in temps or should it be quite significant?

Waheyy - two more BFP's well done you two! Great news and gives me hope

Choccie your chart looks fine, so it's the spotting that seems to be a problem. I second your concerns about it and think it would be good to change docs and get a second opinion. That's not to say that spotting is definately a problem, so please don't worry, but it is certainly a good idea to get another view.

Digital my chart is here:www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1cb0e1 From what I can see I def did OV on CD24 (which is late even for me), although it could have been CD25 looking at it again. If I don't get AF by the weekend I will def think there is a problem. I had another meltdown this morning after another BFN and another high temp so have booked an emergency docs appt bec I can't cope with periods that range between 31 and 47 days. That surely cannot be a healthy range can it?

This should be called the BFP thread. Well done to the latest two !!!

choccie I think you should try to find a sympathetic GP. I don't know much about fybroids - could they have anything to do with the spotting? I occasionally start spotting as early as 8/9 days post ov - but from what you've said yours was even earlier.

bessie - big wave back.

empty I would try to hang on till 7 weeks if you can. So much better than working yourself up to a scan at 6 weeks and then being told it's inconclusive and you have to come back. Spotting is a nightmare and it can mean such a bloody range of things. I hope for you it means nothing bad at all.

Ell11 and teas massive congrats! Think April poised to be a baby boom! Although did you know we're going to miss out on the maternity grant by about a week?

Orchid looking at your chart you could have ovved on day 26 given the EWCM and OPK'k which would put your LP at 15 days now. I still can't help but think there might be a bean in there and just not showing up on the tests yet. Some womentake a long time to get a BFP, Sorry if this is giving you false hope but I would be hopefully even despite the BFN's if it were me.

orchid fingers crossed that lady is right.

Huge congratulations teasonme and ell11 on your BFPs!!! :)

Choccie I get the bleeding between cycles too, usually before or around OV, sometimes it?s spotting, sometimes it's like a medium-flow period. It really upsets me too cos I feel like such a freak :( My GP said it was normal, which wound me up no end because I knew it wasn?t normal. We started down the infertility route earlier this yr and thankfully the consultant listened (my periods have changed in the last few yrs and are much more painful, heavier and longer). I've been told it's a small 1cm submucosal fibroid (inside womb) plus another subserosal fibroid (outside the womb). Fibroids are really common and usually aren?t a problem but the consultant I'm seeing is sure the submucosal one is affecting my ability to conceive. I am so relieved that she thinks she can treat it. I'm 35, TTC 18mths and I've never had a BFP. DH's tests were normal.

I agree with others about seeing a different GP and explain the bleeding is getting worse. I hope you get some help and I'm sending a big hug too x

Gosh - congrats teason and ell11 !

newyears - the fibroid I have that I have been told might cause problems is also submucosal, and mine is about 5cm in size . I've never had the normal symptoms people have with fibroids (bleeding, cramps etc), but I am wondering if my last MC has triggered something.

My consultant told me there was nothing they could do about this fibroid: in fact, he said a really expensive private clinic might offer to operate but it would leave me with 5cm of scar tissue which would have the same impact as the fibroid anyway as far as implantation is concerned.

But we haven't had any time with anyone to properly discuss all our options, so I am really anxious and fed up about it. What kind of procedure are you having and will it leave scar tissue? Have you been told you have to wait until resuming TTC?

Incidentally, we're waiting for a fertility appointment (which both DH and I had to fight with the GP for a referral). We were meant to be seen in Sept but no letter has arrived, so who knows when.....

Choccie big hugs

I went to see GP this morning as an emergency appt bec of delayed OV and long cycles etc. I broke down as soon as I walked in the door, like an idiot!

The GP was lovely, listened to all my concerns and promised that I can have blood tests done this next cycle to check hormone levels. I think she thought I was a bit crackers but she had the good grace not to say so. After these blood tests we need to wait until end of Nov and then go back to get a referral to the Fertility Clinic. Because we already have a DC, she said the NHS will pay for diagnostic tests, but that we would need to pay for treatment. So, we'll see what happens in the next few months. Now, if AF would just show up and we can get cracking...

P.S: I was also told to stop charting! Told me to have sex 3 times a week and not to even think about OV etc. Hmm, how likely is that!?!

Choccie It's a laparoscopy & dye to check the submucosal fibroid & dodgy tube, and if ok the treatment is done via hysteroscopy. That's all I know!

That's great that you're in process for an appointment, hope they're able to help.

Sorry everyone for us talking fibroids on the charting thread! ;0)

Of course - You are free to talk fybroids on a charting thread -

I was talking 'orgasms' and they don't have a lot to do with charting either !!!

Good luck with the day surgery newyear. And good luck with getting referred choccie

I've had several laps for my endo and I know you are probably worried but they are ok. After my laser surgery they gave me loads of drugs (pethadine or morphine or something) I was floating man....