Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

Please don't feel guilty MrsA, the last thing I want to do is go round thread killing with my doom and woe! I've found a few other threads to do the majority of my weeping and wailing on so will try to keep my Charting hat on here...

As far as I recall, yes you would probably bleed at the end of an anovulatory cycle, but it isn't a true period (I am very rusty on all this). Looking at your chart, it's possible that you didn't ovulate until about CD26 in which case you would be only about 11DPO. Very hard to say though. I would try and give it another few days to see if the temp crash on CD35 is a blip or if your temp stays low.

Hopefully someone else will have some words of wisdom?

mouse I completely agree with you. Your DH's mother has a lot to answer for. So does my MIL. She mollycoddles him every time she sees him. He can do no wrong. When i'm snappy with him she tells him i'm ungrateful for all he does for me/us. I think she feels that she has to look after him better than me because she's his mum. She now has a grandchild (my SIL gave birth two weeks ago). I hope that she'll shower her affection on her grandson. He needs love and attention more than my DH. I think i'm capable of looking after him fairly well. My DH won't accept that sometimes he gets things wrong.

My AF started last Friday so I'm on CD 4 i guess. I think i have difficulties with implantation but DH does have a slightly low sperm count. It only a bit on the low side. When i ask him if it bothers him he says no. Am i mad in thinking that I could have conceived naturally in the past but it's just not implanted? My cycle length has been dropping each month for the last three months. (29, 28, 25). Is this very bad? I must have a short luteal phase. Is this the correct interpretation? Can any fertility drugs lengthen the luteal phase?

Catching up on phone so apologies if I miss anyone.

mouse hope your dh is being less of a selfish twat today. Really unfair (and incredibly unsafe) to make you drive after a ga. And unless you knowingly drank a litre of gin in a scaldingly hot bath, whilst necking a cocktail of illegal drugs, it was definitely NOT your fault.

ladyggg strange high temps with bleeding after not very long luteal phase? You prob don't want to know but perhaps as you say test after 18 high temps - if it is a positive you'll want to find out what's causing the bleeding. Are you in any pain?

mrsa your chart is very confusing. I think you still may have ov'ed around cd26. But I guess you'll find out in a few days what your temp does. Fingers crossed though.

As for me, have just come back from scan where baby measured 6 weeks so hooray for temping! Heartbeat flickering away which made my bottom lip tremble. This is the furthest I've seen in a scan (since ds) so feel a whole lot better knowing baby's made it past 6 weeks. Having a repeat in 2 weeks to make sure it all develops as it should. Then maybe I'll tell my mum (who is living with us and has probably guessed something's up with my constant eating and napping).

kc11 I've heard good things about agnus castus increasing short luteal phases. Supposed to be very good at balancing the hormones oestrogen and progesterone - so good for egg hatching and good for egg laying!

Just marking my place as not much more to report here. I'm 7DPO now and had a big temp dip on Saturday although I was drinking the night before (and that night - oops, bit of a social weekend!) so am not sure if that could have affected it. It went back up yesterday and today though so think that's ok.

I'm not feeling any different to normal and as my last 2 (kind of) normal length cycles were 39 and 26 days (I know!) I can't really even think about testing until the end of next week so will just be waiting it out.

If anyone is remotely interested, my chart is here

Ah, you guys are great or even [hgrin] !

DH on his best behaviour today so things are on a bit more of an even keel. Just want to be back on the ttc wagon now, trying to think positive about the posibility of falling pg quickly but may invest in a turkey baster so I don't have to touch dh! Ah the joys.

Digi I am over the flipping moon for you! The epu woman said I could ring her for an early scan next time (off the record) so think I'd go for that too - even though it will mean another delightful internal scan.

KC11 thank you for the kind words, it's nice to know I'm not going crazy.

Personal question for those of you with experience of ERPC - how long did you wait before SWI/SFF began again?

Looking good Truff. I'd test on Sunday if I were you .

No pain, Digi. Just like a period. Sort of light-medium flow. Although I don't really have period pain particularly since having DS and haven't really had any this time. Bleeding tailing off bit now. Think the crazy temps are just caused by effects of the mc last time still. Think temps going down slowly. If I was pg (vay unlikely) I'd still only be 11dpo - crazy cycle.

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Meant to say, Congrats Digi too. I know not out woods yet but it's def a milestone. Hope you have a sticky bean this time round.

Glad things getting better, Mouse.

I've not had ERPC but when had natural mc I just waited until after the bleeing had stopped. Felt pretty cathartic actually. Are you trying again straight away or waiting a cycle? I didn't want to wait...not that it did me much good!

Oh DG how exciting and hope all is well :)

I too am v confused about chart - typical as the last 2 months have been textbook. I just wish if I'm, not pg, AF arrives quickly!
Did a test last night, was -ve. But then if I ov on day 23, I am only on day 13 today and if day 26, i'm on day 10. Sigh. What's worse, when i conceived DD I felt like I was about to get AF for at least 10 days - kept going to the loo and expecting to see evidence and then I got a bfp on day 39 and I feel the same now but that's doing my head in cos it's getting my hopes up again.

Trying v hard to ignore and just see what the week brings. I guess I'll know either way by the weekend (famous last words - in 2007 I had a 60 day cycle. First time in my life, and I hoped the last!)

Digi, I'm so pleased for you, keeping everything crossed that it all goes swimmingly

I'm glad your DH is behaving himself today mouse!

FF is still sicking with it's choice of ov day, bt still isnt 100% sure www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2de1f3 I don't flippin care when it happened, just so long as it damn well works this time

I never got a really strong positive OPK so am wondering if I missed the surge (suddenly ran out of them, so had to ration them out). If I remove the OPK results, do you think it would give me a more definate decision?

You could try but will prob still be unsure as you have EWCM and HSO cervix after when it thinks you ovved.

Nope, made no difference - what does it matter anyway, just playing the waiting game now!

Thanks Lady although just found out SIL is pg for third time (DC's nearly 4 and 20 months) so not sure how such close timing would go down if this is our month! I feel no symptoms whatsoever so am not feeling the vibe (yet?!)

Mouse so sorry I didn't say earlier that I was sending my good wishes. Glad DH seems to be creeping, maybe he does know he's in the wrong after all.

Digi great news, I can only imagine that feeling. Hope everything continues to go well for you.

My SIL pg too Truff, due in June. She did try for ages and ages though so fair dos. Don't worry about what she's doing. This will be your baby and tehrefore amzing regardless.

Thanks, I know that really but am just feeling a little pffft. This is their third, 1st conceived in 2 months, 2nd 'without trying' a few months before they'd planned to start and this one the first go. I (of course) would never begdrudge them anything and wouldn't wish a struggle on anyone, least of all my family but wish they could appreciate how lucky they are and that not everyone has it that easy.

Will stop whining now, but really thanks for helping.

Ah truff it's always hard to hear other's news no matter how well you wish them.

LGGG I tried and failed to interpret your chart I'm afraid. I just really hope it works out for you soon.

Really should go to bed - keep forgetting it's a week day with being off work

xxxxx mousey

Thanks for your help LGG. It's all making a bit more sense now. Hope you're okay...

I'm fine. Temps properly down below last months coverline this morning so high temp was just residual progesterone. So cd 5 here, onwards and upwards. I have a longish cycle so going to be a couple of weeks before the serious SWIing starts. Needless to say am bringing out all the big guns this month - supplements, acupuncture, no caffeine/booze. Helll, I might even have some sex!

My libido has plummeted! poor DH

Digi how wonderful to have seen your little bean! I can't wait for mine on Monday. The symptoms are the only thing keeping me sane.

Truffkin - Chin up honey. I'm sure your SIL does appreciate how hard it's been for you. My SIL gave birth two weeks ago. I know she wants to rassure me that i'll get there one day but she doesn't want to seem like she's gloating. She fell PG by accident. Lucky her. I would not wish this sh*t and angst on anyone especially family. We all know it's not nice and we're all going through the mill. I am trying to conceive baby#1. I wonder when (not if) I'll ever see my own BFP. It will happen for me, it will. I just have to maintain patience. Good things come to those who wait. I'm sure you are doing what you can to help yourself as much as possible. Medicine is so advanced these days. Imagine what it was like 30 years ago. A childless couple remained childless. It must have been horrible to have no idea about why the woman couldn't conceive. I know a couple of women who never had children and I look at them and think well they survived it so i guess i would too. Keep on hoping and doing what you are doing. Time will give us all what our hearts crave and desire. It's a physical need that will be fulfilled. I'm a good girl, i don't smoke, i hardly drink any alcohol, i work hard, pay the mortgage and bills, visit my parents and in-laws, I'm not in debt, I'm a good person.

You deserve a little bundle of joy. Good luck. I hope you get a BFP very soon.

Truffkin I know how you feel. My sister got pg twice without even thinking about it and i was desperate for my first.

But keep on hoping. With DD, we had been really trying for 12m and at our first appointment at the fertility consultant at the hospital, they said come back the minute AF arrives and we'll get cracking on hospital tests. AF never arrived, DD did 9 months later. [hgrin]
Like others, i was beginning to think it would never happen for me and i just have to have the same hope now for No 2. My worry is I am 38 now, was 35 when i conceived DD and that's a long time at my age.

Sadly, AF arrived late last night, finally ending a bizarre cycle and dashing my hopes. At least we can start SWI again around halloween. cycle here if anyone interested or has comments about what went wrong!

One minor techhy qn. AF arrived, literally at 10.30pm with a very light flow that became heaver during the wee hours of the morning. FF therefore counts yesterday as CD1. Is this correct? It was definately more than just spotting late last night but is it enough to count today as CD2?

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Hello all. I just wanted to pop in and share my chart once again. I can't believe how normal it looks after the last 117 day cycle

I hate to say it as well but I have been feeling quite sick (in waves) and have increasingly sore nipples! I am aware of course that I could just be very over tired but I can't help having just a glimmer of hope!!!

Happy charting xx

Wow Dani - that was one helluva cycle you had there, glad to see this months is looking somewhat normal bet it's a relief!

I'm only 5DPO and am convinced that the big zit on my chin is due to pregnancy hormones, as I normally don't get a breakout until a couple of days before AF.
I refuse to listen to any of you who might suggest that it's far too early for anything like that ('cos I know you'll be right!)