Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

The witch got me yesterday as well . Curiously temps are still up but I think it might just take a few days to catch up.

Hope things go ok for you this weekend, Mouse

And for got to say chart looking good, MrsA!

BTW - why is AF called AF?!!?

Thanks spilt may have to go out and buy some sexy underwear!!

At least the ridiculously skinny jeans I bought myself yesterday will fit for a while longer (although must stop eating a "I'll get fat anyway if I'm PG diet"!!

Well done on remembering to temp today - I think its just a routine thing and once you've done it a few days it becomes second nature. I do mine at 6.45am.

AF = Aunt Flow. A little twee but pretty ubiquitous terminology on t'internet. We prefer RTD though...Red Tide of Doom. Or the witch. Or the droid. Or various other legion names.

but do you know the history of it - who is this Aunt Flo and why did she get the burden of being the Witch of the Red Tide of Doom?!?!

As Hugh Grant said in 4 Weddings....fuck fuck fuck

Temp plummeted this morning here so feeling very down and stupid, fully expecting the evil witch to arrive today.
I did this when we were trying to conceive DD. Convinced myself each month I was pg.

Sigh...not a good day and DP away so I have to keep happy mummy face on. I also feel a bit of a fraud as we already have a wonderful DD but I hate the thought of her growing up alone.

Hi ladies, it all went as well as it could yesterday. It was a very sad feeling of 'this is the end' as I was wheeled down to theatre but at least I'm home now. I feel ok, the pain is totally manageable so hopefully back on my feet asap.

Unfortunately DH decided yesterday was the day he should be a total PITA and that I should understand he is tired too and that he had a sore head so we got back from hospital and he fell asleep. No big deal I suppose until it was really time to go and get DS and he announced he was 'too tired to deal with this' and went to bed! So, in my surgical stockings and 6 hours after a GA I had to drive to my mum's and get DS - so much for resting. I decided to stay there but would it have been so hard for DH to suck it up and look after me? It's not like I've been sitting on my arse, I was back to cooking/cleaning/childcare 2 days after the MC...grrrr!!!

Ah, sorry, rant over....

DH still says it's all my fault. I may kill him!

Mouse what do you mean DH says it's all your fault? WTF? To be honest it sounds like he is behaving like a massive dick. Emotionally it must have been hard on him too but much worse for you because you're going through it physically, your hormones are crashing and you've just had a GA for goodness sake. Big hugs, you need more support than this.

How disappointing, MrsA. I hope she stays away. My temps bizarrely are still up in spite of the full flow period that is going on.

Thanks lady he is behaving like a dick! I was so pissed off with him last night. I've sent him and DS to the in laws for dinner so I can finally have some peace. DH does have temper issues and he rarely sees any disagreements we may have as his fault. He genuinely does not see what he's done wrong. Ugh. I know in a couple of days we'll be back to normal but it really irritates me that he thinks if he's 'ill' he can just 'opt out' and go to bed when I (and women in general) just have to suck it up and get on with life. We have had this conversation before but we just go round in circles. Glass of wine tonight me thinks.

I love him really and blame his mother almost entirely for his outrageously selfish behaviour.

HI ladies!
Sorry about AF Terrys, and MrsA, it ain't over till it's over :)

mousebacon, it sounds as though you are having a horrendous time and your DH is behaving appallingly :( I hope the wine helps in some small way!

I took notice of the FE this month and DH SWI every other day from CD9. I'm now on CD17 and FF thinks I may have ov'd on 14 - but is still undecided. what do you think
I have made sure that I have taken my temp at the same time every morning, regardless so it is as acurate as possible!

I never seem to have any decent EWCM and am wondering if that is affecting my chances. Any tips on how to improve CM?
I had one day of slightly stretchy stuff this month and the following day it stretched a tiny bit, nothing like how is described in TCOYF, the rest of the time it's just creamy!

My best mate is also my TTC buddy & confidant and she reckons that this month is our month - wish I could share her optimism. :(

I reckon day 14 but is conflicting that you had EWCM after this so could be day 15 or 16. Sorry, not v helpful!

You can use Robitussin cough medicine which thins the mucus and makes it easier for sperm to swim in. It has to be plain Robitussin though as other stuff will dry mucus up!

Also, can take evening primrose oil up until ovulation and drinking grapefruit juice meant to have an alkalising effect making it more sperm friendly.

ooh, I might try the cough mixture tip - thanks lady!

Evening all

MrsA don't give up hope till you see AF, could be a dodgy temp?? Keeping my fingers crossed for you.

mouse your DH sounds very out of order, I hope he realises his selfishness soon and makes it up to you. Enjoy your alone time this evening!

LadyG silly q - but what do you do with the cough medicine, and evening primrose oil?? IYSWIM?!?!

Ifatfirst I am not a charting expert at all but maybe you have to wait a few more days to get a bigger picture?

I am still AF-ing, can't wait for this week to be over so we can get on with SWI-ing! My temp went down again today so that indicates I did OV last month, but still don't know when!

You eat it .

Hahah Terrys, I did wonder about the cough medicine too but was too afraid to ask on here - googled it instead!

Oh mouse what a rubbish weekend you've had

Sorry to hear your DH is being more than a bit rubbish right now, that must make it all so much harder. I hope your mum is giving you lots of hugs and a shoulder to cry on.

Please do talk to us as well if you want to about how you're feeling. You aren't alone in your grief x

LadyG I have to confess I haven't looked at your chart or anything, but if your temps are still high despite bleeding have you tried a pg test? (It might be a ridiculous thought, but knowing how some people have periods when pregnant it just crossed my mind!)

TBH Spilt I don't think I could stand it if it was positive and I was bleeding. Too raw from the last mc still. Would rather not know if is a chemical or something. I will see what temp does tomorrow - from googling it doesn't seem that uncommon that some women still have high temps through period cos of residual progesterone. Should drift back down soon I reckon.

I'm sorry Lady I do understand that, and it was probably an insensitive comment to make. I wasn't thinking. Hope you're ok and I haven't upset you.

Hello all. Was wondering if you could help with a quick query ? can you get any meaningful information out of a BBT chart when you are going through a patch of really disturbed sleep? This month I have had a cold and am stressed out about moving house. I have been waking up at all hours and have often been unable to get back to sleep ? so have taken my temps accordingly. My chart is all over the place - here.

I think I ovulated on CD13, but FF seems as confused as me.

Not insensitive, Spilt. The thought had def crossed my mind. But think is unlikely anyway as not got any symptoms. If they stay up for 18 days as per TCOYF I might consider a test . How are you feeling today anyway?

BrownB every night is disturbed for me! I have a toddler who feels sleep is optional . I can normally get some kind of sense out of my chart with a bit of squinting and holding it at funny angles. Were you drinking on Sat 9th evening by any chance? That may have pushed temps up cd9 so you could discard that one. The high temps early cycle most likely due to AF - mine are still up. Then you could have ovved CD13 but have a fallback rise pattern? Try discarding day 9 and see what it does.

Thanks for clarification LadyG - I did something else with Evening Primrose capsules when waiting for DS to arrive!!

Question - do you think/know there is a link between short AF's and cycle length? I seem to have v short AF's - 3/4 days and was wondering if this is why my cycle is quite short (26-27 days). Just interested!

Well, I give up!!
Temp up slightly today and so FF has changed its mind again as says I ov day 31, which I'm sure i didn't as I had all the signs on day 23.
Still no AF but temps too low for pregnancy and I'm too early to test anyway?

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I really don't know what has happened as ever since my cycles resumed after DD was born (she's 2 now), I have had cycle days of 28-31 regular as clockwork. This is the very first month DP and I try properly (we agreed to try in June but didn't get very far with SWI!!!) and I have no idea what is going on. I keep expecting AF but I have not experienced a cycle like this since before DD.

I could scream. I just want AF to arrive and then get on with things again.

Hope everyone else OK :)

Thanks Lady. I'm ok I think today. DH went back to work for the first time this morning and I got very panicky and frightened when he left. He's back now though and working from home this afternoon . Just knowing there's someone else in the house helps. It's lonely without my little bump, I haven't been truely by myself for months.

Terrys I don't know the proper answer, but I too was a short cycle, short AF girl. My cycles got shorter and shorter after coming off the pill (29 days, 26 days, 24 days, conceived on a 22 day-er) and my AF was 3-5 days each time. Maybe there is something in this theory! I suppose it could be that a short cycle doesn't allow your body as much time to build up a big thick womb lining, so there's less to lose at AF time? That could of course be complete crap though!

MrsA what a pig of a cycle. I agree with you that it looks like you ovulated earlier (CD22-26 ish sort of span when you had the EWCM). Do you know the length of your luteal phase? If you do, when AF turns up you can at least count back and see when it was likely to have been. The other possibility is that you could be having an anovulatory cycle, which is apparently very normal, most women have at least 1 a year, so maybe this is just a confusing cycle? I feel for you, it's a hard waiting game, and feels like wasted time when it doesn't work.

Thanks for your comment spilt I feel quite guilty as my concerns are so trivial compared to your recent loss.

As with all bereavements, time does heal and hopefully the days will get ever so slightly easier on you and DH.

My LP is normally about 11 days, so I'm now 13 DPO. No AF still - could I possibly be pg? I thought not yesterday and had a large glass of wine but unless AF comes tonight, I don't know. If I am having an annovulatory cycle, will I have a period or just nothing and I should start looking for fertile signs again?

Thing is, I have periodic cramping sensations and have had them for the past few days, but no signs whatsoever of AF.