Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

Ditto to what littlesilver said Ell It already sounds like you are getting your head round it and thinking of a positive future but if you feel this is going to be an issue then I guess its better to try and sort it out sooner rather than later. In the mean time take it easy and don't rush things if you aren't feeling ready.

Thanks for all your comments/reassurance re my OV date. Will look out for AF on Thursday. digital looks like FF is pretty sure about yours. I guess if the next two or three days stay up it might change it?

Very impressed with you runners, esp ladymarathonrunner. I tried it a few years ago but can't tell you how much i hate it. I wish that wasn't the case as need to do more exercise and running appeals because it's free. :o (need to get back into swimming)

Hi Ell, I think counselling can't hurt. But it still is very early days, hon. It might be that when and a your natural hormone cycles get going you might start feeling, ahem, a little frisky in any case and after a couple of glasses of wine it might resolve itself. Sorry, didn't mean that to sound quite so flippant but you may just find you need a bit more time. But second the others, counselling may def be helpful too. Are you still thinking about looking into IVF as well?

Salad not sure about the "free" thing. Yes, in principle but then you get into it and have to factor in new shoes every 6 months, new kit, race entries, heart rate monitors etc. Sometimes I think a gym membership would be cheaper!

Good point lady I hadn't thought of that, although I don't think race entry fees would ever be an expense I would have to worry about :o

Hi ell, good to hear from you. I've never had counselling, but like the others say it can't hurt (what harm could a yogurt knitter do?!) & I think it's often easier to talk through stuff & work out how you feel with someone not directly involved in your situation IYSWIM.

salad & ladyggg when I was young & did some races (just 5/10k ones) I became a member of the local running club. You got cheap race entry (as you were running "for" the club) and I got a 10% discount at the local running shop Oh, and you got a group of people to go running with, which I liked as I do like to have a good chat when I'm out!

Thanks Salad, Silver and Lady...think I'm going to give it a couple more weeks as I may well slip back into it naturally - it would be the ideal! Also might do a bit of research into who I could talk to in the meantime.

I'm more of a swimmer than a runner. I did both when I was younger but I'm a short-arse and running seemed a lot harder work! I don't like being cold when I get out of the pool either though... bit of a wuss really! Think wandering round shops is my kind of exercise. Can probably rack up a mile or two just going up and down aisles!

And thanks Bessie!

Lady, IVF is still an option but DH (who is not being so ruled by his hormones and emotions at the moment) wants us to wait a few months before we make a decision. We need to heal a bit first so that if we do decide to go for it, it's not because we're hurting after losing a baby IYSWIM.

Thats very sensible Ell bless him. They are good for something other than providing sperm then?

MIne has been very sweet recently and v v supportive, after having an initial wobbly about IVF he's being very positive about it so thats a relief. I was worried what it would be like if one of us wasn't fully committed to it and thought it probably would be a Very Bad Thing.

ell agree with others that there's no need to rush getting back on the horse (as it were). Your dh sounds so understanding.

So ff changed it's mind as to when I might have ovulated to a day that I think is more likely. I normally get really obvious bloating and cramping on the day I ov. Wonder if the new running regime has somehow masked the usual hormonal effects.

ladyggg am I supposed to change my trainers every 6 months?! Have still got the same ones from pre-DS! I am a ridiculously slow runner though, might have something to do with it.

Hello everyone, sorry to but in but I've come a begging for opinions... Anyone got some time on their hands to help me out?

I am very new to charting, doing my first ever one, just nearing the end of a 2WW and getting desperate and obsessed keen to see what you think.

Its a WTF post ERPC cycle by the way.

Got some questions for you:
When did I ovulate?
Does it matter that I have so many hollow circles (DS crawls into bed and wakes me up, I figure its better to take temp immediately at least I have been asleep 3+ hours)

How accurate is this charting business anyway? I just read a thread that said that gyne's dont take it seriously as they are notoriously inaccurate ( ), is that because people dont do them right or is the whole science disputed?

any other tips for a newbie much appreciated.

Think the link not working still...

Should look more like this:

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2fee7f

sorry!

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/30b552

this one any good?

It's still coming up blank...maybe you have to tell it to publish on home page set up? Anyone else know?

ok, I think it might work now, just did "Add chart"

Hmm, tricky as you continue to get EWCM after your temp shift. Def 61,62 or 63 though I reckon.

I know!! So tricky its driving me nuts...

That day 63 EWCM was really dramatic, is there a hierarchy of signs? e.g. is EWCM more definitive than temp shift?

mummyabroad I reckon 62 or 63. Possibly late in the day on 62 which us maybe why you got ewcm appear the day after as you were still fertile? I also got quite and abundant batch ewcm a couple of days after I think I ovulated a long with a slight temp drop - so must have got a mini oestrogen surge after ovulating which can happen according to Toni. In my case I think temps are more accurate than ewcm as I'm always confusing it with semen. It really helps to take your temp at the same time if you can. I reckon as long as you're not UP and walking around that you can count lying in bed as asleep.

Thanks digitalgirl, that makes loads of sense.

Hi Mummyabroad! When I was temping, I noticed that as long as I took my temp as soon as I woke in the morning (after at least 3 hours sleep) it was pretty consistent however if I lay in bed for a while and waited for a specific waking time, then took it, it was always slightly higher. So I set a default time on FF and didn't worry if I woke at a different time - that meant I didn't have loads of hollow circles on my chart. My charts were always really easy to read as long as I remembered to stick the thermometer in when waking!

As for EWCM - I didn't really get much and was always confusing with semen so relied on my temps which seemed very accurate.

You'll get to know how your body works when you've been temping for longer - hope you don't have to though - good luck!

Hi Ell11 Thanks for taking a look. I will take your advice about default time, I cant see myself being able to wake at the same time everyday so I'm gonna use your plan! I am plumping for day 62 (the one in the middle of the three options!) as ov day.

I guess you are right about needing longer to understand it all. I am feeling incredibly impatient this month though as its first month TTC post mc.

wish me luck! xxx

Hi Ladies,
Sorry I havent been around for a while, the apt with the fertility specialist knocked me for six a bit, so I thought I'd best avoid the conception threads for a bit.
I think I've pulled myself round now :)
It's been a very tough couple of weeks after having our set back which has only been magnified by babies popping up all over the place (SIL had her baby last week and was at a wedding over the weekend where four mates were PG. So seemed to spent the day/evening talking about pregnancy or the kids that they already have - made slightly worse by the fact that DH & I have been together the longest out of all of them).
Had a bit of a sob when SIL had her baby, which is horribly selfish of me, and had a good old wail after the wedding do - probably encouraged by the several glasses of vino I had consumed!

Anyhoo - nowt much can be done, so we'll just have to plod on best we can. I even considered asking DH whether we should give up, and explore other avenues.

So, this month I havent been as obsessive. Fertility Friend hasnt got a clue what's going on with me (first of all said I OV'd on CD10 then decided that it hadnt a clue). I've been a bit run down and not sleeping very well so temps have been all over the shop!

o,how is everyone else?

Ell - it's good to see you so positive after all you have been thorugh :)

Lady - I'm so sorry to hear about your MC :(

Empty - It seems as though you are having a really crappy time at the moment, and I really hope that you & your DH can get through it together. I can only imagine what you are going through and wouldnt wish it on anyone, but am slightly shocked at the comments you have made towards some of the ladies here.
I have found that only genuine support and care is given on the conception threads as we only ever want the bet for each other (possibly best to avoid some of the main threads as there are some wierdos out there). I hope you will stick around x

Hello Ladies,

Sorry I have not been around for a while too! but it has seemed a little pointless due to the lack of cycle for the last 5 months!!

However .... I had my temp rise, although did not dare think I had managed to ovulate but after a dip this morning I have finally got my period ... what a huge huge huge relief!! I am now hoping my cycles will go back to how they were and I can start obsessing over my chart and swi at the right time!!

Hi Danilou,

Hope you dont mind me asking but why havent you had a cycle in 5 months? I have also just waited 5 months, (well still waiting, no AF yet) after a mmc and then placental cell regrowth.

hi all, rather thinly veiled name change due to some probably unfounded paranoia. :o pretty sure you'll be able to figure it out. I am expecting the temp drop tomorrow prior to AF on thursday, humph. so not much going on this end.

welcome, mummyabroad I can't really offer anymore advice than already given as also pretty new to charting. Personally I find my temps quite flat if i wake up early/late as long as don't move about too much but I think its highly individual. You could try doing what you are doing now and then putting a note in your chart for a later temp that is closer to your usual time and see if they are much different over the next month?

ifatfirst my sympathies on the preggo filled wedding. A few weeks ago I was on a table with three very close friends who were all pregnant - one of them very reluctantly pregnant and has gone as far as to say she'd wished the 12 week scan had shown a problem so she'd have an excuse to terminate. . Needless to say after several glasses of fizz I couldn't even make look at them let alone talk to them. It was the most depressing experience. I desperately wanted to come onto mn and rant and rave but didn't want to get sucked back into hourly thread checks (which makes my long cycles drag on even longer).
Glad to hear you've not been as obsessive this cycle - at least it goes quicker.

danilou woohoo on af arriving - one of the rare times I'll type that on this thread! Hope that was just an anomaly and from now on your cycles will be short and fertile.

rocket think I've worked it out...

mummyabroad I set my alarm for 6 and take temp then. Then go back to sleep.