Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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Volume 2 starts here ladies!

Ell I'm so sorry to hear that awful news. But like you say at least you have your beautiful girls. Although that doesn't help the pain now.

Hippy I would be on the floor with levels like that. You will feel soooo much better when it is resolved and I bet it will help your conception chances. When are they starting your Thyroxine?

Thanks ladygaga I think it's one of those things where it happens gradually so you don't realise how knackered you are. Also I was very tired with both early pregnancies this year and it just seems to have continued. Glad to hear that I'm gonna feel better soon. I will be like a puppy dog soon! i had another blood test last week and I go back to docs on Thursday - if the level is still abnormal I will start on the tablets.

ell Much love to you.

empty not sure if you're reading this thread but i hope you're ok. People have been worried for you. xx

hippy I have to wait 3 months inbetween my blood tests! My results were lower than your though, 6.5 I think.

Bessie - I'm a bit worried about you, hon. You're pg and they should be taking this seriously as left untreated it can affect the baby. 6.5 is not good really. At the very least they should be testing you sooner than 3 months. Have you raised it with your midwife? Don't mean to scare you, it's just something you should push them on (see below)

www.medicinenet.com/hypothyroidism_during_pregnancy/article.htm

thanks everyone, still no word from her?

ladyggg My GP told me that the people who do the blood tests REFUSE to re-do the thyroid tests before 3 months. She reckons she has tried to get some done earlier before & they just got returned. I have got my blood test form ready to take to pathology next week.

I have googled am aware of the scary stuff associated with hypothyroidism in early pg...

FYI my TSH was 6.61 (normal range 0.25-5.0) and my free T4 was 11.5 (normal range 9-23).

I took this NHS Guidance in with me - it says it needs to be below 2.5 when TTC or pg.

I am seeing the midwife next week (@8 wks) and have my "early" scan the following week. (I tried to get one @6 weeks, but the earliest appointment I could get was @9... My GP said we could get me in for an earlier scan if we said I was having some spotting, but I didn't want to lie to the nurses - and TBH if the worst is going to happen (which it isn't!) I didn't want to find out at 6 weeks that I was going to mc, and then not actually mc for another 3 weeks IYSWIM.)

anyway... enough of me! Hope you guys are all ok & hippy hope you stayed off the cheese & avoided anymore weird dreams!

The only reason she re-tested within a week was cos she said the tablets are a lifetime commitment and she didn't want me to start on them based on one test (in case of error).

So the second test is just to confirm.

I will be reading all the links about pregnancy and thyroid problems. I must say it doesn't seem to have affected my ability to get pregnant as I got preg twice in 6 months. But I did lose those pregnancies.

It's all very new and confusing - so i must do some googling intelligent reading!

Ell I'm so sorry to read what has happened to you, how utterly awful.

I really hope you heal quickly after the op, and will be thinking of you over the coming weeks. Take care of yourself.

Empty we're all thinking of you and really hoping you are ok. When you're ready, can you pop in and reassure us? Best wishes to you and your DH xx

And hippy, a tough day for you as well. People really are being put through the mill here! Hope you can have a gentle day and take it easy, and may be best to stay off the cheese!

Hi ladies, just popping in to check how everyone's getting on. Ell11 I'm really sorry to hear your news and hope you make a full and speedy recovery.

I have zero knowledge of thyroid issues but I hope you get sorted soon ladies

Lots of love xx

Hi all,
El so sorry to hear your news. You sound very grounded and like you are coping, but be kind to yourself.

Empty big hugs to you if you're reading this.

I also know zero about thyroid issues but hope things work out for you.

I'm on CD13 so hoping that things start to happen here and I'm not on for a stupidly long cycle like last time (OV CD26). My chart is here (although not really showing a huge amount at the moment):
www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1cb0e1

Mr O has been ill recently and I've been praying for him to get better as this weekend I think is our key time so I want him to be on form!!

Those with thyroid problems - hope you're all feeling much better soon xx

I'm on CD31/10DPO. I?ve been really tired and I've had tender boobs for days. Usually I get a saw-tooth effect in LP (up, down, up, down) but this cycle my temps climbed steadily. Had a drop at 8&9DPO, today is 10DPO and temp went up a little this morning. Not much to go on but I can't help but feel a tiny bit hopeful...

Well, temp plummeted this morning, and was shortly followed by AF after a very short 26 day cycle! Needless to say, there have been a few (quiet) tears! :(

I have backtracked, and have noticed that my cycles have become fairly irratic since the MC in March, not much, but vary between 26 and 30 days, where I was always a 28 day-er.
Do you think this is anything to be concerned about?

Now, I need your advice ladies:
You may (or may not) know, that DH & I have been TTC for over 3 years. Went to docs December last year, had 21 bloods done - OK, Thyroid - OK, DH sperm test - OK, We were then referred to a "fertility specialist" who i really just another GP at a different practice, who arranged for me to have a swab done (which you may remember that old bat of a nurse wouldnt do last week) and some further bloods. He then was going to arrange a dye test on my tubes (sorry cant remember the technical term), and then suggested we'd be reccomended for IVF later this year (IE NOW!).
Unbeknown to me, I was actually PG while sat in his office but lost it at 6.5 weeks.
I called this doc and aked about these tests, and he said that there was no need, not to come back for a year as he didnt think there would be any further problems!

Six months later, March 2011 seems a life time away, and each month is more & more upsetting. So my Q - should I go and see him now, and insist that he try & help ASAP, even if it' just the tests?
I'm 31 & DH is 37 and we're both paranoid about getting on!

I dont want to waste the docs time, I also don't want to be fobbed off. Something is obviously wrong! :(

Sorry for the long post, just needed to get it out there! :)
x

Sorry If

I would say, don't let yourself get fobbed off. Discuss with your DH what you actually want doing, maybe write it down. Either way, have A Plan. IMHO, if you go into a GP surgery with A Plan and (more importantly) a Good Rationale for A Plan, they tend to say, oh, OK and refer blithely away. Bonus points if you can back up with proper evidence base (bmj/pubmed articles etc, not MN)

Good luck!

Sorry about AF if :( and how frustrating with the Doc. Don't give up. Silver's reply sounds like good advice. Good luck x

sorry have been so busy this week only just checked in.

ell11 i am so sorry to hear your news :( you sound amazingly strong, you really do. I am so glad you can look at the good things in your life and take comfort from your girls. I hope you do stick around for a bit?

rosey i am also very sorry about AF and the duff test, thats a really harsh thing to have happened. Good luck with the FF charting. Sounds like a dodgy test to me, you didn't accidentally pee on it to high up maybe?

hippy :( about your weird dreams. just wondering if you note them down on your chart. My acupuncturist mentioned that sometimes vivid, weird or upsetting dreams can be tied into your cycle (plus also dreaming ALOT can be linked to anemia)

IF i think little silver is right. Don't be fobbed off if you want to take this further sooner. Do your research and give good reasons why you don't want to wait. Also see if you can find your PCTs guide lines on AC and referrals etc. Should come up on a google search there may be some help in there.

Not much to report my end, AF just finished so about to start Operation Impregnation AGAIN.

Hi - sorry, haven't been around much. As the site name says - this place is for Mums.

Quick update. Scan 10 days ago showed an empty sac and no heartbeat. They told me 5 weeks when I should have been 7.1 on my dates (and we hadn't had sex since the last time listed on my chart - because after 3 years TTC - you get berluddy sick of shagging), hubby read the notes on screen and it was down as 5.5 on their detailed notes. Booked for a rescan 10 days later which was today. Grieved, hurt, gave up hope, and I've basically become agoraphobic - I can't go out as there are babies and children everywhere and I can't deal with being around them.... minor technical problem there considering what I do for a living.

Went back today and I think I've broken the NHS - they haven't got a leaflet for "we have no fucking clue what's going on."

The sac from the other week has grown a bit (well it looks much bigger to me) and there's something visible in there now, but smaller than it should be and still with no heartbeat (which considering I should be 8 weeks on my dates is not a good sign). However... there's also another smaller empty sac over the other side of my uterus which they have no clue what it is.

In layman's terms - they're stumped, I'm stuck in limbo because they won't D+C while the first sac is developing - and I've been spotting pink off and on for a week now. At one point I did threaten to get a coathanger and do it myself.

Back in another 11 days. I'm not clutching at straws or what-ifs, so please don't give me them because I've run through every idiotically hopelessly optimistic scenario in my mind.

So have to go back yet again, watch the sorting dildocam decree whether you leave the unit with a scan photo in an envelope or a leaflet - and I'm none the wiser.

oh empty thats so awful to be in such limbo. I am so very very sorry, you must be distraught. Can you see your GP and get signed off with stress if work is going to be too much? You surely have grounds and can you get counseling if you are really struggling?

Don't say MN is only for mums, I am not one (and wondering if I ever will be) although I can understand why coming here would be difficult for you right now. I hope it helps a tiny bit that we are and have been thinking about you and are here if you need to talk.

GP's useless - wouldn't give me anti-ds after the last miscarriage when I sat and sobbed in his surgery unless I agreed to go on the pill and stop TTC.

As for work - I'm supply - if I don't work I don't get paid anyway.

And it was people on the main forums who told me to go away from mumsnet as I wasn't a mum.

Oh wells. No idea what's going on... can't go out much cos babies everywhere and too scared I'll start bleeding heavily. Fun.

I'll disappear again now.

Oh my god, some people on this forum really make me MAD. The insensitivity is incredible ffs.

I am so sorry for your work situation, that is very rough, (I understand as I've been self employed for a while) but if you can afford to I would consider taking at least a few days off to get your head together.

And as for your GP, I have no words. But you can switch GP's if he is useless. You need to find one that is sympathetic to what you are trying to do with TTC. Or is there a different one you could see in your surgery?

Oh empty, I'm so sorry people on here have been so awful, of course you belong here - we all need support of some kind. We are all here for you if you feel like talking. My opinion? I agree with Salad and suggest you change gp. Have you been offered councelling? There are specialist NHS fertility councellors it might be worth a go?

Lots and lots of love xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

OMG - what bloody thread did they say that to you on??? How fucking condesending is that. You are hoping to be a mum, you've had fertility issues a MC and now this - I think you bloody qualify!! I would never consider that I had more right to be on MN than someone who is trying to become a mum. I'm really sorry to hear that. .

I wont try to give you false hope about the fact that the sac is growing - it does sound like a very unique situation. 2 sacs as well. What are your hormones doing or is that not as relevant as the scans.

Keep us up to date - thinking of you

iftfirst I think you deserve some answers - 3 years is a very long time to be TTC. Don't let them fob you off with the old line - 'at least you know you can get preg!'

Your GP sounds very unsympathetic. i agree that you and DH should decide what you are prepared to accept from your GP and stick to it. Good luck.

empty I'm really pleased you came back on here. You are always welcome here and I can't believe some bitch said otherwise. I'm really sorry to hear of all that you are gooing through. You've been through the mill with this and I just hope you can get some clarity soon.

I can't say I blame you for not being in work. Completely reasonable for you to take some time at this point.

Big hugs. I'm thinking of you.

If you search mumsnet for "emptyshell" you can see the offending thread (well, I assume it is, spmeone's had their post removed by the admins)

Just sticking my head in to say thank goodness you are OK empty. You're in my thoughts.

empty I see that the post which got a bit heated was removed and I'm guessing that was when someone said something about you not being a mum.

I read your one about facebook and you sound like you really are grieving and understandably feeling very bitter.

I am rubbish at giving advise but I really hope you have found someone in RL (obviously not your family) who you can speak to and get all these feelings out. I agree that it is shit to see people talking about their pregnancies on FB or the like.

But, speaking as someone who had 2 easy pregnancies 10 and 7 years ago,before my losses this year, I have to say that when you get pregnant easily and everything goes as it should you have no idea how it feels to have it go wrong. Back then, I had no clue how many people had MCs or how heartbreaking they were. I was in total oblivion and dread to think how many people I offended (but it was not a malicious act i promise ). I hope you are ok, honey. xxx