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When is the right time to let your child know Father Christmas isn’t real?

274 replies

Greyhoundnewbie · 13/12/2025 09:29

My Husband thinks they should know before secondary school. And I do agree really. But my Dd is 9 and the youngest in her year (year 5) and she completely and utterly believes in all of it.
I feel like after this year, 1 more Christmas, and the she needs to know, it feels so harsh.

Just looking for other views, and what some of you have done in the past. All my friends have younger children so I can’t get any advice in real life.

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PortSalutPlease · 14/12/2025 09:55

Please can you make sure you caveat it with keeping the information to herself?

One of my school classmates found out at 8, and smugly and deliberately ruined it for the rest of us. Kate N, we are 42 now and I still think you are a dick Grin

BabyHairs · 14/12/2025 12:47

LucyMonth · 14/12/2025 09:46

This!!

I also have a four year old who knows that Santa is just a nice, fun story for Christmas but it’s not real. People think this somehow “ruins Christmas” for kids which is completely bonkers to me.

We still do all of the Christmas things. My son is just aware we do it out of love and as something nice to do together instead of it being a weird old man he doesn’t know!

For me it’s just been about not bleating on about Santa every 5 minutes at this time of year. We get him excited about Christmas without constantly saying “Be good, Santas watching”! “Or are you excited for Santa”?

I love this! Some of the responses I got were absolutely insane, I’m glad I’m not the only one not focusing on Santa!

They seemed to think my DC was devastated by it but she couldn’t care less, she was super proud of figuring it out.

True, I used to hear ‘Santa is watching’ and the like pretty often when I was working with primary age children, especially in the months before Christmas. I agree there’s so much more to Christmas than a fictional old man breaking in every year.

Harmonypus · 14/12/2025 13:03

I was lied to about all the fake characters parents tell their kids about, and when I learned the truth, I hated my mother for the lies, so when I had my own children, I made sure that they knew the truth right from the outset because I refused to lie to them.
No such thing as santa, easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc, my kids knew that everything they received came from myself or other friends/family, which also prevented any unreasonable expectations.
I have friends whose kids 'expected' santa to provide them with big, expensive gifts because 'santa can get us anything', but each year their parents struggled to meet these demands rather than telling their children the truth.

BabyHairs · 14/12/2025 13:04

Snakesontheplane · 13/12/2025 20:39

Well done you. I mean that genuinely. Lovely values to show (and actually do) as a family.

Thank you, sorry I didn’t see this one sooner! That’s such a lovely thing to say, I appreciate it. ❤️

scalt · 14/12/2025 14:41

I had a different childhood confusion. I knew from a young age that most stories were made up, so I thought that if things appeared a lot in stories, they were made up. I was surprised to learn certain things were real; kings and queens, castles, rainbows, wolves, foxes, although foxes were a disappointment: I had imagined them as big fierce creatures that eat you up.

OhDear111 · 14/12/2025 19:33

@Harmonypus my dc worked it out. I’m amazed how unworldly some dc are. It’s a bit of fun and dc see it as this. Who on earth believes an “Easter bunny” means anything? My dc were obviously savvy at an early age! As for expecting large gifts because they believe in Santa and that makes dc greedy? Really? Knowing parents are well off is a much more likely reason for wanting more. Every time.

Lockdownsceptic · 14/12/2025 22:06

You don’t tell them - ever. They pick it up for themselves from their friends and development of rational thought.
There’s nothing worse than the precocious child saying, “My mum and dad say Santa isn’t real” in the playground and spoiling the magic for others.

sashh · 15/12/2025 06:12

OhDear111 · 14/12/2025 19:33

@Harmonypus my dc worked it out. I’m amazed how unworldly some dc are. It’s a bit of fun and dc see it as this. Who on earth believes an “Easter bunny” means anything? My dc were obviously savvy at an early age! As for expecting large gifts because they believe in Santa and that makes dc greedy? Really? Knowing parents are well off is a much more likely reason for wanting more. Every time.

A friend's mother was a TA in quite a rough school. One of the kids called her aside to tell her that Santa isn't real.

But when Easter came around she convinced the class the Easter bunny had visited.

mambojambodothetango · 15/12/2025 09:23

DS1 worked it out around age 7 at the same time he decided God wasn't real. DS2 was about 8 and although we'd told DS 1 not to tell him, and he was very good about that, we put Gremlins on the TV, forgetting the scene when the girlfriend tells how her Dad died coming down the chimney and that's when they found out Santa wasn't real. It wasn't a nice way to find out but he's not traumatised by it.

OhDear111 · 15/12/2025 11:58

@sashhSo did the Easter bunny lay an Easter egg? Visited and did what?

One of my DDs told me Father Christmas wasn’t real! Honestly - dc know. They just go along with it.

Tiddlywinkly · 15/12/2025 12:13

We would have told our then 11 year old in the summer before high school, if she hadn't raised it with us just after Christmas last year. She said she hadn't truly believed for about a year.

Our ds (9) said something like, "he's not real, is he?" in summer, so I thought it was the right time.

I was 7 when I realised Santa had the same handwriting as my dad and asked him after presents on Xmas day and he said Santa wasn't real. Kinda wish he hadn't as I think I was a bit young and I could have been a few more years of sort of believing.

Labelledelune · 15/12/2025 13:33

You don’t ever ever tell them, they just naturally realise for themselves.

OhDear111 · 15/12/2025 14:52

@Tiddlywinkly Had they honestly never worked out that FC cannot get down a chimney with presents and there isn’t a sleigh with reindeer? Near secondary school age would make me wonder about critical thinking skills!

smashinghope · 15/12/2025 15:02

We will never tell.

My oldest DD is 12.5 and whilst i know she most likly doesnt believe ive never admitted it.

11YO DD is the same, i know she wants to believe but doesnt.

5YO DD obviously firmly believes.

Why do we even need to tell children? They will find out organically.

smashinghope · 15/12/2025 15:07

Alpacajigsaw · 13/12/2025 10:06

“Devastated”? Really?

My eldest was upset but he got over it quite quickly. Anyway despite their reactions they still need to be told. I just don’t understand why so many parents make such a drama of it.

My Husband, now 44. Remembers clearly the day his mum told him aged 7 that santa wasnt real.

He was utterly devastated and firmly believes that was far more damaging than him finding out on his own a couple of years later.

Alpacajigsaw · 15/12/2025 15:31

smashinghope · 15/12/2025 15:07

My Husband, now 44. Remembers clearly the day his mum told him aged 7 that santa wasnt real.

He was utterly devastated and firmly believes that was far more damaging than him finding out on his own a couple of years later.

7 is a bit young to tell them. I twigged myself at 7 but mine were 10 when I told them. No long term effects

AhBiscuits · 15/12/2025 15:41

My DD is nearly 10. Yesterday she asked me if I buy all the presents. I denied it but only because her little brother was there and we're so close to Christmas. She's obviously figured it out for herself and I'll be subtly letting her know after Christmas is out of the way.

scalt · 15/12/2025 16:01

Vicar of Dibley: You know when your mum tells you about Santa?
Alice Tinker: What about him?!
Vicar of Dibley: Oh... (gently) well, you know, The Easter Bunny... (sees that Alice is about to cry) er... I had a phone call from the Easter Bunny, that he's just too busy to deliver all the eggs, so needs our help...

I remember also this paragraph, from a book of social stereotypes, from about 2002:

The politically correct vicar: Martin upset the entire village when he told the children that Santa Claus did not exist. Lady Fossle one of the first Mumsnetters confronted the wretched man in the vicarage, who told her in tones of lugubrious self-righteousness that Santa Claus was an untruth, and sexist. Lady Fossle retorted that Santa Claus never did anybody any harm, unlike Mr Bin Liner for whom Martin had had the impertinence to offer prayers in the spirit of forgiveness.

NavyTurtle · 15/12/2025 16:21

RoomToDream · 13/12/2025 09:34

I think it's kinder to have that chat in the spring and summer so there is some distance to Christmas.

Has she watched Miracle on 34th Street or the Tim Allen Santa Clause film? The plots where the world/adults don't think Santa exists are a gentle way of helping kids piece it together.

Ahh but he is real in The Miracle on 34th Street. 🎅

Mumtumtastic · 15/12/2025 17:19

Zov · 13/12/2025 18:18

I agree. think it's extremely mean - and very sad to tell a child that Santa doesn't exist when they're only 4. It smacks of being more about YOU than them. What right does anyone have to smash a little child's illusions and fantasies, and the magic?! Hmm And if they start to believe again next Christmas, they will 'put them right.' FFS. 🙄

Like many posters on here, mine believed til they were about 8 or 9, (I did too.) Yes they really did, even now in their late 20s they say they believed til then...

It's actually quite cruel to tell them at a really young age. In fact you don't need to tell them at ALL...

Saying it encourages greed want wanting for a child to believe in Santa is a load of rot!

Just don’t tell them the lie in the first place, then there’s no illusion to break or magic lost.

No guilt, no devastation, no horrible upsets later down the line, no damaged trust.

Yes they might miss out on the Santa story as a true belief but they will gain other things and appreciate that they weren’t lied to later on. There are plenty of ways to celebrate and include Santa in fun festivities without creating a whole belief system that’s not real and will topple and cause damage on both sides.

Telling children a lie as truth, that exploits their natural faith and re-enforces it via repetition is a very ancient tradition used by many cultures. This was (is) mostly some form of bogey man used to keep children in line using the fear of ‘x’ if they misbehave. Reversely sprites and other faerie folklore have been used to encourage or reward good behaviour but also in the negative/ threatening sense too.
Made up inventions like this are basically used by parents and other care givers as a tool on a threat/ reward basis.
Traditional but entirely invented, and I think it is important to carefully consider what is behind things like this and what might be the result of engaging kids into deliberately false beliefs. How will it shape them? Children’s beliefs run so very deep into the heart of them, they become their true lived world and are precious. Beliefs shape how they see themselves, their parents/ care givers and the world around them.

Imo anything that deliberately invokes fear or anxiety should be handled with caution.

The stories that directly use threat to keep kids in line or even the reward stories which are a more subtle form of manipulation are predominantly for parental benefit. If there is a threat element (direct harm in the worst of traditional stories, there are literally thousands of cultural bogeymen and plenty made up within individual families too) OR the threat of missing out on a reward / something good (ie no presents if you misbehave) this establishes and gives power to a needless fear. Exploitation of a child’s natural trust in their parents and using fear to manipulate them into good behaviour is harmful imo.

Santa is a mild form of this, he’s a good guy but I do think there is still an element of ‘behave well and Santa will bring you presents’. It also plays into a conditional love mindset, of performance based acceptance and many kids already have this going on anyway and it doesn’t take much to set the idea (if I’m good = love, if I’m bad = less love). We work really hard to counter the idea and self belief of conditional (good) performance based love, which can silently slip in amongst busy day to day family life and when we have to tell off and reset boundaries etc.

Santa as it has evolved in our modern story telling kind of crosses over the threat/ reward narrative and fits a bit of both. He is so popular as a pretty uncomplicated good guy, but there is still the threat of the naughty list and the fact he is ever watchful (he sees you when you’re sleeping, he knows when you’re awake, which is pretty weird). The fear here is quite subtle, it’s not a worry of being carried off into the night (like with some ancient traditions) but of have I been good enough? Am I a good boy/ girl? Will Santa come? Will he find our house? Did he get my list? Will Santa forget me?

Can any adults here - who believed in Santa as children, can you honestly and truthfully tell me there was no anxiety involved (mixed in with the ‘magic’)?

There is plenty of magic in real things, actual real things in the real world that kids can get excited about. A trip to the Jurassic coast to find real dinosaur fossils, treasure hunting, seeing Christmas lights. That’s what’s wonderful about children, give them a chance to see and experience the wonder of the world around them, there is magic in the enjoyment and discovery. We don’t need to tether them to a lie that will come back and bite them and the parent/s too.

I agree to tell a small child something false and then smash it down is cruel. Don’t do it. Build a flimsy tower of bricks and sooner or later it’s coming down.
Give them truth. Christmas can still be so wonderful and special.

Summeriscumin · 15/12/2025 17:31

Most children find out in the playground around the age of 7.

DS1 carried on pretending to believe so as not to upset DS2 but DS2 sussed it age 7.

I taught infants for many years and 7 was about the limit, thanks to the playground.

We had a problem one year when the parent of an 11 year old tried to insist the Head told the whole school that FC was real. Of course he didn't.

OhDear111 · 15/12/2025 23:07

@Mumtumtastic There’s only the “be good” issue if parents make it one. We just had fun pretending someone arrived on a sleigh and came down the chimney. No child got hung up on it! They knew it wasn’t true but lots of stories aren’t true. Life isn't all fact. It’s great for honing critical thinking skills! Did the biscuits get eaten by the reindeer or….. was it daddy?

ScarletWitchM · 15/12/2025 23:13

Mine got a letter from Father Christmas the Christmas the yea they were 10 - he wrote to say that he can only bring toys for the young children and needs everyone else to help keep the sport of Christmas alive. They kind of knew the truth but this way they didn’t have a horrible conversation. And we didn’t have to explain how it all got done so there is still some magic there now even though they are grown up now

Skybluepinky · 16/12/2025 18:08

Kids pretend to believe as they think they won’t get presents if they don’t. If they are in a school with cultures that don’t celebrate Xmas they tell the other kids, both mine knew in reception as did all the other children. F children were told at nursery as were in a Muslim area.

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