Hand hold please?

[SunnySusan83]

Looking for a hand hold. My 8 yo daughter has clearly got flu and has been the illest I have ever seen her for 5-6 days. 40+ temps, cough and now full of snot. She lays on the sofa all day and now we're on day 5 and she says she can't eat, and that it hurts her stomach to drink. She was sick in the night last night very forcefully. It was green due to empty stomach with white chunks. She burst tiny blood vessels around her mouth being sick. Usually this happens around her eyes. It caught us by surprise as her first bought it sickness. I phoned 111 both yesterday and after she'd been sick today. Both times they've said it's flu and to manage at home.

Earlier on she seemed a bit perkier and got out of bed to lie on the sofa, she said she felt better for a while but then had a sudden bout of forceful sickness again. This was completely unexpected and she hasn't eaten any thing today, although we've managed to keep fluids up with little sips.

When she was sick it was white / clear froth but then tiny black / dark red blood clots / specks. This is clearly what they were. There weren't many, maybe 20-30 floating around, so it didn't make up most of the vomit - although there wasn't much.

Of course I phoned 111 straight back and have now been waiting 4 hours for a call back. They are extremely busy and are saying they may not even be able to get to us throughout the night.

Online there are varying bits of information. Some saying medical emergency, some saying viral. She is now sleeping peacefully as absolutely exhausted. She says her tummy hurts when you ask but isn't clawing the walls or crying, she's able to rest and chat and smile a bit - but eating is a hard no and drinking only because I tell her to.

It's a scary time at the moment and feels like it's so very hard to access help. I'm doing my best listening to 111 as I know the local children's hospital is saying an 8 hour wait and she's so tired and weak I really don't want to do that unless I have to.

Can anyone provide reassurance if their child has had this? Obviously awaiting 111, will call the GP tomorrow and if it happens again tonight will be straight to A&E. please help 😓😓😓😓😓

You're doing the right thing with 111. Though with my health anxiety and if it was my child vomiting black/red spots/blood clots.. I'd be sat over A&E. Just in my head it's better to be safe than sorry. Though fully aware this could potentially be burst blood vessels- unsure if that could be black?! I don't know.
How is her temp now? Is this below 40 and stable?
Biggest hand hold for you.
Please keep us updated and I hope she feels better soon xx

I can’t offer any advice as I’ve also posted today about my little boys raging temps but I wanted to say you’re not alone.

111 have advised this evening to take my little one (3 years) to a&e because he’s sitting at nearly 40 temp and skin looked mottled.

there’s obviously some really nasty bug going around xx

I don't know but I think I'd get everything ready in case you need A&E. Imo if you know, you know. I rarely go to A&E but if I think it's nessary I don't hesitate.

Go pack a bag, you can alway unpack it later in the week.

Calpol and syringes
Small blanket and cushion for her
Water bottles
Snacks
Thermometer
Book or gadgets
Power bank and leads and plug
Two pairs of pjs for dd
A change of complete clothes for you
Wash things
Change
Bags to put dirty clothes in
Paracetamol for your inevitable headache

Then you are doing something. If your gut says go, then go. 8 hours wait is crap but better 8 hours when your unsure but very worried than 8 hours when your very at very alarmed stage. If she gets very drowsy, hard to wake you go imo.

Poor little thing and you of course. I hope she makes a turn for the better now. Make sure you have petrol too

My 3 yr old is pretty poorly with something similar. She has vomited largely from coughing, no blood clots though. That's the bit for me that I think I'd take her to A&E. flu is bad but it doesn't/shouldn't make you vomit blood spots.Whatever virus it is it's clearly causing a bit of havoc and with Sepsis I'd be cautious.

But you know her - we don't. Do the scale of 1-10 what number is she now in terms of pain/alertness/temp/ etc and make a call that way.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/fever-in-children/

OP, I posted the NHS advice. I think after 5 days of 40 C and above they need to be seen by a doctor. I was advised by 111 to go to A&E as they were unable to offer an appointment at my GP surgery.

blood in the vomit, I would probably be on the way to A&E, especially if my child had 40 C since 5-6 days….

Hand hold from me. Good advice above about prepping a bag in case you need to go to a and e. Monitor closely and if your instinct says go and get checked then do.
Really hope your dd gets some rest in the meantime and feels better soon.

Thanks all, already in A&E and have been for half hour. there is a 6 hour (best case) wait. It's havoc, never seen anything like it. My poor little girl is exhausted and sat in a small plastic chair.I'm having to stand so she can't even lie next to me. This is awful 😢

Good luck. Hope you get seen sooner.

Wee pet

Will be thinking of you both

You are in the best place
Xxxxx

You've made the right choice, best place for her to be right now.

When I rang 111 last night they weren’t that helpful or concerned but then within ten mins of the call I had a call from urgent care asking me to bring dd in. They said they were asking parents to bring all kids under 5 with high fevers down to be checked. I didn’t want to go because she was sleeping but they called again in the morning and asked me to take her down so I did, I know your dd isn’t under 5 but there’s clearly some nasty things going around. I would definitely take in your shoes. Take pillows and anything you can to make the wait more comfortable

Poor thing, hope she manages to get comfortable. It's so awful seeing them sick but you've done the right thing.

Oh poor both of you. Can you sit on the chair and take her in your lap so she can cuddle in?

She's honestly so unwell but we're surrounded by poorly babies who probably need to be seen quicker, I'm so worried that there's something seriously wrong, it's so packed. We haven't been triaged. Not complaining, it's just an awful situation all around. I feel really alone 😓

I’m glad you’re in A&E although I’m sorry the wait is so awful. You’re in the right place and I hope you get seen soon. Bless you both.

You're in the right place for her though. God forbid if your DD or any bubba waiting at that, takes a turn for the worst then you're in the right place. It's going to be a long night for you and for her but keep going mumma!!! We will keep you company! Xx

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I think you've done the right thing going to A&E, I know it'll likely be a horrendous wait but best she's seen. Hope she's ok x

It doesn't feel as if we're in the right place 😓 may have been better coming in the morning. At least then she would have been able to sleep. Everyone is so ill im worried about what she'll catch on top. She definitely won't be able to fight anything off like this. My anxiety is through the absolute roof!!

If you were at home you'd be worrying about that too.

Don't waste energy beating yourself up, you made a decision and either way would make you worry it was wrong.

Fwiw I've been in a very similar situation with ds and he was quite unwell as it turned out but he was ok after antibiotics

Who's to say she wouldn't need the medical attention through the night? As a parent you've 100% done the right thing.
I'm sure many other parents there are feeling the same as you. Hospitals in general aren't nice places to be.

I’d have made the same decision as you OP, and if she suddenly gets worse theyl see you quicker. Don’t be afraid to speak up if she does get worse though.

You are in the right place. I have been at A&E surrounded by people being sick and not caught anything there. So that's not a given. If you need medicine your in the right place. Keep talking to us

You have done the right thing. It’s so worrying. I’d be the same but you’re in the right place. Thinking of you op and hoping you get seen soon

You are definitely in the right place. Hang on in there.

I've vomited up blood when I had flu - I didn't see a doctor and it just went away. But saying that you have done the right thing to get her seen. Fingers crossed that you get some answers soon. Virtual hand hold x