15 month old has no vaccines

[Jadejade20]

Hi all. I feel awful and so confused and selfish but just don’t know anymore if I am doing right or wrong. Please don’t judge and educate if you can. I am absolutely petrified to give my daughter any vaccines, the thought makes me feel so ill and I shut anyone off when they try to speak about it. I am so worried they will do more harm than good and I wouldn’t be able to forgive myself if something happened. I know there is the other hand where something natural could happen by also not vaccinating her but I am petrified and need educating. It started off with unwillingly seeing & reading bad story’s about vaccines which I didn’t want to believe until I did my own re search which I really regret ever doing. I looked into all the ingredients and toxins and just awful things put into these vaccines which I feel if any parent actually read would also feel how I am feeling towards them! Please don’t think I am a bad parent I know I’m not the best but how can I willingly push this shit into her body?? I am having pressured phone calls from the doctors constantly which ends in tears every time with me trying to delay it once again. I just feel like a mess now and that I have fucked up... but I can’t ignore my instinct / factual knowledge on what I know. But now I am starting to feel really ashamed of my decision. I just need someone to talk to on the subject. (And no I am not some conspiracy believe on this subject. I have just genuinely been upset and outraged by the ingredients put into our baby’s body’s 😭)

If you’ve already had conversations with your surgery, there’s not much anyone here can say.

You’ve made the decision not to give vaccines. And with that decision is the consequences of that. That’s all.

You seem like you’ve made your mind up.
By choosing not to vaccinate your child, You also effect everyone’s child who, for whatever medical reason cannot have a vaccine, you affect the heard immunity that protects so many people.
I assume that you were vaccinated as a child? Have had vaccines for holidays? Flu vaccine?
Look at the countries that don’t have child vaccination programmes, how many of their babies and children die from completely preventable diseases.
Do you honestly think, that millions of people would vaccinate their children if it was that dangerous?
Would you also refuse to allow your child IV medications if they became unwell?

Get your anxiety treated. Find a doctor you trust.
Read the proper research not tabloid nonsense.
Do you not give Paracetamol if she’s unwell?
Care enough about your child and other children to get her vaccinated. It’s negligence not love to avoid it for your vanity.

Where did you do your research. There is so so much false and biased ant vax information out there. Think some more about the never forgive yourself part. My dd caught whooping cough which is becoming common again (just before her first vaccine) it was horrendous and what followed was an entire year of hospital visits and meds - extra strong anti biotics and steroids that no baby should have been given. She's 7 now and still has issues with her chest which means she's more at risk from covid. Measles isn't uncommon now due to people not vaccinating. The long term effects of measles are still being discovered but it's through the now that it could be responsible for some auto immune conditions that affect people for life. Think about these things while you're on that train of thought

Please get your child vaccinated op.

Sorry to hear you feel this way and also that your anxiety is so bad.
If you’ve already spoken to the drs I don’t think there’s much more people on MN can say.
But as a medical professional mauled I can tell you you’re doing more harm than good by not vaccinating. By not vaccinating your child you are also risking other people’s children’s who for whatever reason can’t have a vaccine or maybe haven’t had one yet due to their age etc , or risking another child’s parents health to the point where a child could be left without a parent or guardian . I for example have medical problems and if I came in contact with an unvaccinated child who had contracted an infection I would be at extreme risk of secondary problems caused by that. If you read the ingredients to anything , there’s more in something than what’s on the label but I’m sure on a daily basis you eat/drink things that aren’t pure. Surely your child has had paracetamol or something before ?
Just please think logically , get some help and rethink your minds set because it’s your child’s and other children’s futures you’re risking here.

A few spelling errors there but I’m pregnant and tired sorry. Mauled should read ‘myself’ . predictive text sorry

Are you anti all medication? Are you a biochemist? Molecular microbiologist? Vaccinologist?

I’m sorry I just don’t get it when people with zero expertise decide vaccines are bad but other medication is ok. It’s all putting chemicals in your body aimed at keeping you fit and well.

Please get your anxiety sorted as soon as possible because the longer you leave it the more your at risk of your poor child catching something.

Your instinct/knowledge is shaped by what you have read and you have only read a skewed part of the information. For example I work with children with Autism, which made me feel there was a higher chance my child my have Autism than the actual chance, because I see it so much more. If you read the birth boards on Mumsnet you might get frightened about a traumatic birth because most people don't log on to write about their straightforward labour.

Can you ask your doctors for some reading on vaccines from their point of view? Can you give yourself a no pressure time e.g. 1 month and tell them you will properly consider it?

Another problem is when we read things we don't fully understand we misunderstand. For example worrying about 'metal' in them is not how you imagine it. (There is 'metal' in toothpaste.) Another example is reading the R number in COVID has gone up and panicking lots more are ill, when actually that isn't accurate.

We are lucky enough not to see the impacts of these illnesses much. I read a heartbreaking blog about a family whose child caught whooping cough naturally and they were ill for months, and regretted not getting vaccinated.

Does your baby really not ever eat anything unsuitable or lick something made of plastic? Unless you live in a bubble, your baby is going to get exposed to all kinds of shit. At least with vaccines, you know that they'll also be doing your baby (and the community) a whole lot of good at the same time.

They keep calling you because you seem not to have communicated a clear decision and are just 'putting it off'. If you actually have decided not to then tell them so clearly.

What are these awful things they put in that you are so scared of? You know there is no mercury in UK vaccines right? Are you sure your research is accurate? There's a lot of bollocks out there.

You could book an appt with your GP just to talk about it and they would give you medically accurate information.

Just search a video of a small child with whooping cough, and decide if you're happy to risk your child getting it. Sorry, I'm not looking for one for you because seeing it once was enough.
If I had anxiety it would be about my child going through that, or getting measles encephalitis, not the vaccine.

Have you 'researched' the diseases that vaccination protects children from?

Measles eg is a very serious disease, that is seeing an increase. It is entirely possible that your unvaccinated child could catch this. Death is a real possibility as are serious complications.

Even if these things aren't caught as a young child, they are often much worse as older children. This could have a real impact on her education, not just her health.

Your decision could even impact your DDs children. If she caught rubella in the early stages of pregnancy, there could be very serious consequences.

Please carefully look at both sides of this argument. Thousands of children are vaccinated without any problems at all.

There's research and then there's "research". I'm sure you've done the latter.

Have a look at children who haven't/can't be vaccinated and catch these awful diseases ( which is more coming than issues from vaccines and will continue to rise if parents don't vaccinate) then make your decision.

Look around. Lockdown, deaths, and lasting effects from surviving Covid 19 is what no vaccines look like.

Have a look at what illnesses like measles etc will do to your child. Read up on what happened before these vaccines existed.

I honestly don’t understand why people feel the need to sabotage attempts to protect babies, children, and others from diseases that are so terrible and so easy to prevent. Every negative article you have read is someone attempting to do this.

Bill Gates isn’t causing mass deaths in India. Quite the opposite.
There are no microchips in vaccines.

If your child catches one of these easily prevented illnesses, they could end up deaf, blind, maimed or dead. They could pass it to someone else who might then end up deaf, blind, maimed or dead. This is a fact that you only need to look back into very recent history to see of.

Side effects of vaccines can and do happen, as with any medicine. Your child may not be able to have vaccines due to an allergy. You’ll be reliant then on everyone else having had vaccinations, but unfortunately the evidence is that less people are doing so because of some nonsense written on the Internet.

Sorry if I come across as harsh. My friend used to preach anti vax nonsense, then her little girl caught measles last year, ended up with encephalitis and nearly died. She has epilepsy now.

What toxins are put into vaccines? What is the 'shit' you're worried about putting into your child?

I think is it good that you are admitting here that you are feeling selfish and confused.

Many people that refuse to get their children vaccinated have a very poor understanding of the relative risks of diseases and the risks of vaccines.

You need to read up on the risks that you are subjecting your child to by not vaccinating them. For example, to take one disease, measles is on the rise in the uk. In 2018, there were 991 confirmed cases in England and Wales, compared with 284 cases in 2017.

Here is an overview of the complications that can arise as a result of contracting measles. You child is much more likely to experience these than any serious affects from the vaccine
www.nursingtimes.net/news/research-and-innovation/measles-complications-more-serious-than-some-may-realise-18-02-2020/

Also do you think all the thousands and thousands of parents who do get their children vaccinated are total idiots who have no idea what is in the vaccines and you are the only one who somehow discovered the truth? I've got a science PhD and a medical degree and I had my kids vaccinated with everything they could get not because I am too stupid to read the label but because my reading of the evidence is that this is far and away the best thing I can do for them.

If you are right and vaccines are toxic to babies then why are all the thousands and thousands of babies that get vaccinated every year worldwide and have done for many years still OK? I bet you were vaccinated as a child. You're still here aren't you? You haven't been poisoned.

As pp said if you child does get very sick then they are going to have a lot worse more toxic stuff put in them to treat that sickness. Where are you going to draw the line on nothing impure going into your baby? No calpol for a fever? No antibiotics for an ear infection? If you go too far down a road of not getting your child treated then it will be seen as neglect and will be reported.

Talk to your doctor and ask for help for your anxiety first - explain that you are anxious. Show the doctor your post and these replies if you want.

Then, when you feel less anxious, ask your doctor for some information about vaccines. Take it away and read it.

Then I hope you will make the decision to get your child vaccinated.

Why do you give the people who spout unresearched woo bollocks more credence than peer reviewed, extensively researched advice from medical professionals?

What exactly are you confused about?

Do you never believe anything the doctor says - a person who has had many years or education and training? Or would you rather believe someone who looks at crystals and unicorn dust?

Are you medically qualified to make these decisions? How many peer reviewed scientific articles have you read to form your "educated" decision?

I lifted this from the NHS website

Tetanus is a serious but rare condition caused by bacteria getting into a wound. In 2019 there were only 4 cases of tetanus reported in England. The number is low because an effective tetanus vaccine is given as part of the NHS childhood vaccination programme. Most people who get tetanus have either not been vaccinated against it or did not complete the entire vaccination schedule

A simple graze in an unbaccinated child can cause tetanus. Toddlers fall over all the time.

Get your child vaccinated. There is a reason why you are being chased to get your child vaccinated. Don't be that parent.

I honestly don't understand how anxiety can focus on the highly unlikely possibility of vaccines causing harm, and totally ignore the very possible chance that your daughter could go through hell and be permanently damaged by one of the diseases that they prevent.

If for some reason my child couldn't be vaccinated I'd be absolutely paranoid about these these conditions and someone passing them on to her. My friend was crippled by polio. Others died or were confined to an iron lung. My brother got whooping cough when I was seven. I'm 64 now and I can still hear him and feel the terror I felt that back then, that he would die.
These illnesses are real. Because most people get their kids vaccinated you're not seeing the reality of them, so you're kidding yourself that they're not a threat. They are. And you will not be able to live with yourself when your daughter catches one.

Does your child have a father? If so what does he think?

I think you need to talk to your own GP about your anxiety. It doesn't sound like you have made the decision rationally at all.

Parenting is full of "what if" moments and you need to work out how to navigate your way through them in a rational manner. I'm not convinced the issue is completely down to worry about vaccinations but to your own anxiety.

Op you are clearly not sure about the vaccine or your decision as you haven't communicated a definite no.

What does the childs dad think?

I delayed a vaccine once.
GP said I really think you should have it but not right before a 4 day holiday weekend. Ok I'll see midwife next Friday.
Next Friday was too late. I had a raging temperature by then. I coped at home over the weekend by Tuesday I ended up really ill. An took whatever drugs they threw at me.

Would you be like me and take the drugs regardless of anything?

Ok...look at this meme

Would you still feed your child apples?