15 month old has no vaccines

[Jadejade20]

Hi all. I feel awful and so confused and selfish but just don’t know anymore if I am doing right or wrong. Please don’t judge and educate if you can. I am absolutely petrified to give my daughter any vaccines, the thought makes me feel so ill and I shut anyone off when they try to speak about it. I am so worried they will do more harm than good and I wouldn’t be able to forgive myself if something happened. I know there is the other hand where something natural could happen by also not vaccinating her but I am petrified and need educating. It started off with unwillingly seeing & reading bad story’s about vaccines which I didn’t want to believe until I did my own re search which I really regret ever doing. I looked into all the ingredients and toxins and just awful things put into these vaccines which I feel if any parent actually read would also feel how I am feeling towards them! Please don’t think I am a bad parent I know I’m not the best but how can I willingly push this shit into her body?? I am having pressured phone calls from the doctors constantly which ends in tears every time with me trying to delay it once again. I just feel like a mess now and that I have fucked up... but I can’t ignore my instinct / factual knowledge on what I know. But now I am starting to feel really ashamed of my decision. I just need someone to talk to on the subject. (And no I am not some conspiracy believe on this subject. I have just genuinely been upset and outraged by the ingredients put into our baby’s body’s 😭)

My opinion is that parents who choose not to vaccinate their children because they have read some shit 'research' on the internet are bad parents.

If you don't want your child vaccinated do you never give them any kind of medicine?

OP, please find some other sources for your research and education than anti-vaxx websites. Try here: paul-offit.com/resources/

Why are you not paralysed by anxiety that your child will become very sick with a potentially fatal illness that you have chosen to expose them to the risk of?!

Because that's what you are doing. By avoiding vaccination, you are actively choosing to let your child become very ill. Get some help.

Many infectious diseases are making a comeback just because the vaccination programs have been stopped due to Covid

Not true, vaccine programs are going ahead. Extra precautions, turn up at clinic on time, don't arrive early, so the waiting room is kept empty. Staff in masks. Bravery Sticker and certificate still getting given out

Diseases on the rise because of the anti vac movement not covid and social distancing.

Not vaccinating your child is not a way to escape risk.
All you are doing is weighing up the potential risks from vaccine side effects against the consequences of your child getting a potentially fatal disease.

I feel like this video sums it up nicely.

I dont want to judge OP, but I think you definitely need more education on the subject.

Have you actually spoken to your GP about your vaccine fears?

OP, it doesn't make sense that you are anxious about the side effects of a vaccine and not anxious about the effects of an illness which she is much more likely to catch and much more likely to suffer lasting bad effects from. What's behind your wanting to read up and patchy research? Could you talk to someone about what's making you this anxious, because the anxiety is very real, but your thought process and research is a bit illogical.

You say you’ve researched the ingredients. How have you done that? Where is your information from?

I’m an ex healthcare professional. I have a first degree and an MSc in my specialism. I’m used to working with medications and am familiar with drug ingredients and interactions. I have many years of experience along with my academic qualifications. However, I am not a specialist in vaccines, nor am I a pharmaceutical chemist and wouldn’t necessarily understand how the formulation affects the ingredients. What looks like a toxin to a layperson isn’t necessarily toxic in reality. There is a pretty well known saying in toxicology circles, “The dose makes the poison”. That is, lots of things are safe up to a point but overdo them and they become toxic, even water.

There is a LOT of scaremongering out there on the internet. There is such a thing as too much information.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are not an expert on this and your daughter is the one who would suffer if she caught one of these very preventable diseases, not you. You need to get your anxiety treated and view this rationally.

I take it you don’t give her any medicine at all when she’s ill and would refuse all medicine if she were to become ill enough to go to hospital? Because it’s all “toxins” you know, and you wouldn’t know enough about that medicine either.

OP, the sources you are reading are not reputable, evidence-based ones. If they were, you wouldn’t be worried about toxins and other nasties. You’re frightened, because you’ve been reading false information designed to frighten parents into refusing vaccination for their children. Recognise that, seek out some proper information from reputable sources, and take it from there.

My mum didn’t vaccinate me op...
One word - meningitis!

Fine now, vaccinated myself as an adult.

OP what do you think is in jabs that are toxic?

Please just look up what has been happening in this country with measles and how horrific that disease is.
Look at what polio did to children before a vaccine.

I had Whooping Cough as a baby way before there were any vaccines. I was in an oxygen tent fighting for life. I was lucky to survive.

Thank you for being gentle with me and for the educating posts I really appreciated how everyone has replied to me. I do feel a weight off my shoulders. Generally I was a needlephobic (to the point I would have a hour meltdown before blood tests or miss blood tests for my own autoimmune condition) I feel I have over come that fear since been pregnant with regular blood tests etc. However there Is somthing about injections I guess I have always and still do have very high fear/anxiety of...which writing this is making me feel so selfish for it being my own anxiety impacting my daughter. It started for me when I was at school. Some cervical cancer vaccine. Had one & was traumatic experience and never continued with the top ups. Just so you know about me I give my daughter a very healthy lifestyle as I have a interest in foods and healing, and know which natural foods can have a lot of Chems etc. So daughter had been brought up mainly organic. Water from glass bottles only/ no tap water. No talcum powder. Natural skin care and calpol used rarely (thank god daughter has never been ill only for teething purposes) natural sun creams / natural unbleached nappy’s ... the list goes on. I myself hardly ever take medication I would have to be really in need to take paracetamol but usually hold it off and prefer natural remidies. Sorry I’m just putting this up here so some of you can see maybe why I am how I am. I was also shocked to read a study stating a average of 15 pesticides found on so this is why I do my research on things! So some of the ingredients I have read from the vaccine leaflet that worry me include: aluminium mainly as I have read completely vaccine unrelated study’s on how aluminium can alter the brains development and function. Bovine (cows blood)?? Human cell strains: WI-38 and MRC-5 from
Aborted foetuses... I guess maybe these are good questions I could get addressed if I ask to speak to the nurse at the doctors who does the vaccines which I am know talking myself into doing (at least starting with a phone call with nurse) as long as I can get answers I need. I guess just as I have tried to protect her from everything else naturally this comes as a shock. I am blessed she has been fine and maybe now she is older I am willing to give them to her as I feel maybe she would have been too young to have so many unnatural ingredients to her naturally perfect body. Thank u also to the person who posted about a video I can watch where they state why these certain ingredients are used x

I shut off anyone that tries to talk to me about it
There wasn't much point starting this thread if you won't engage and discuss your fears?

Your actions could have serious consequences for your daughter. If you are too paranoid and confused to attend her vaccination appointment then perhaps consider asking your mum or a family member to take her.

Protecting your child from deadly diseases is a no brainer. Sorry but you're being very silly and irrational.

No tap water? Do you give her bottled watter? Because you know pcps leech into water right? Or maybe you have a kangen water machine. Those are great!

A lot of anti-vaxxers get their kids vaccinated the first time their kid needs to go to ICU for Meningitis or Measles or another disease that can be prevented with a vaccine. You also need to remember that if your child gets to the age to have their own kids - they won’t appreciate it if their unborn child dies or becomes disabled as a result of your decision. I know women who have lost pregnancies as their parents refused to give them various vaccinations - none of them talk to their parents any more.

You seriously believe aborted foetuses are in vaccinations?!

Right, I’m out.

Can’t argue with stuff like that cos it’s batshit crazy

Sorry Jade I see you have engaged! I agree that your needle phobia and anxiety is clouding your judgment. You are displaying some awareness of that. I think you know you're being irrational about this.

It's a good idea to make an appointment with a nurse or doctor to discuss the vaccinations. Be honest with them. I think you have a form of health anxiety that needs addressing.

A lot of "toxic" chemicals have therapeutic doses or safe limits. Think of all the metals essential in our diet: potassium, iron, calcium, sodium, zinc, magnesium. You wouldn't eat a lump of any (particularly a reactive metal like potassium 😱) but you'd eat them as a compound in a banana, steak, cheese, salt etc.
The ingredients in vaccines are tested for years to determine a low risk solution that has the required effect. There's a lot of misinformation and scaremongering out there, the scientists who develop and test these know a lot more than any of us who don't have years of actual training and scientific research. Beware anyone who claims to have "done their own research".

Haven't read the full thread but it was on bbc news recently that due to coronavirus and the impact that has had on the transportation of vaccines to developing countries as well as the (frankly dog shit) advice from the WHO to stop vaccination programmes in order to control the spread of the virus, up to 6000 African children could die PER DAY thanks to not being vaccinated. Measles is rife. There are also outbreaks of cholera and diphtheria. These are all preventable diseases that are massively on the rise.

Perfect examples of ‘The dose makes the poison’, @Shrewsdoodle.

Is there such a thing as natural sunscreen?

Aborted foetuses??!?! Seriously? You realise that's ridiculous right? What 'sources' did you look at?

Hi OP, this is difficult to explain without a chemistry lesson, but the "aluminium" in vaccines is unlikely to be literal bits of metal, it's bound to other things in a compound.
Example:
sodium - very reactive metal, extremely dangerous, reacts with water
chlorine - very nasty gas, if you inhale it it burns and acts like bleach
sodium chloride - a compound of sodium and chlorine - this is just plain salt, you can (and do) eat lots of this and the worst that will happen is that you might be a bit thirsty!

What does DC's father say about this? As she is his child too. If you aren't able to make a definitive choice one way or the other could he not deal with this?

I hate seeing my kids get jabs so DH takes them. Not quite the same as you as I know they need them but I let DH take the lead on this side of parenting as I find it tricky.