15 month old has no vaccines

[Jadejade20]

Hi all. I feel awful and so confused and selfish but just don’t know anymore if I am doing right or wrong. Please don’t judge and educate if you can. I am absolutely petrified to give my daughter any vaccines, the thought makes me feel so ill and I shut anyone off when they try to speak about it. I am so worried they will do more harm than good and I wouldn’t be able to forgive myself if something happened. I know there is the other hand where something natural could happen by also not vaccinating her but I am petrified and need educating. It started off with unwillingly seeing & reading bad story’s about vaccines which I didn’t want to believe until I did my own re search which I really regret ever doing. I looked into all the ingredients and toxins and just awful things put into these vaccines which I feel if any parent actually read would also feel how I am feeling towards them! Please don’t think I am a bad parent I know I’m not the best but how can I willingly push this shit into her body?? I am having pressured phone calls from the doctors constantly which ends in tears every time with me trying to delay it once again. I just feel like a mess now and that I have fucked up... but I can’t ignore my instinct / factual knowledge on what I know. But now I am starting to feel really ashamed of my decision. I just need someone to talk to on the subject. (And no I am not some conspiracy believe on this subject. I have just genuinely been upset and outraged by the ingredients put into our baby’s body’s 😭)

My grandmother (my dad's mum) was like you. She was also needle phobic, frightened of hospitals and didn't vaccinate her 4 dc.

They all contracted measles. One of her sons died aged 4 and her daughter was left deaf and blind. My dad wasn't taken to hospital when a growth developed on his ear drum and he is deaf in one ear.

The “toxins” and so forth is absolute rubbish. The whole anti-vax movement is full of lies driven by celebrities and social media. Please do not believe what is being posted. It makes me so mad that children are left susceptible to preventable potential fatal infectious diseases because of these “crunchy mommas” making out that “big pharma” is out to get all the children. At the same time as using vaccine inserts written by big pharma to back up their claim. It’s all lies. I’m happy to answer any questions you have on vaccines. I have a PhD in microbiology and am a university lecturer. I make sure I’m teaching actual facts about vaccination. In fact we have a whole section in one of our lectures on debunking vaccine myths.

Talk to your GP and other family members about what aspect of vaccination is concerning you the most.

Stop messing your doctor's surgery about by pretending you want vaccines. If you're anti vax then tell them and stop wasting their time.

Bear in mind that some nurseries and schools will refuse your child a place without their routine vaccinations.

For me it is the risk from measles that really stands out but all of the vaccines are on the schedule for a reason. There was a measles outbreak in Western Samoa last year, over 80 people died, 75 of whom were children. That’s 75 children who died from measles in one outbreak. Please try and weigh up the risks to your child.

If you don’t vaccinate your child she is at much higher risk of devastating things like measles, which could leave her deaf and disabled or may kill her.
OP, you sound like a lovely mum but you need help for your anxiety.
Please vaccinate your child

Did your research include the 14 babies in UK, too young to be vaccinated, who died of whooping cough in just one year?

You are focussing your anxiety in the wrong place. Unfortunately, UK currently has whooping cough in circulation. It can be an extremely serious illness which is miserable to have, and can lead to lifelong compromise and sometimes death. HCPs have really extremely clear, in the time of COVID, in telling people that the vaccination programme is going ahead as normal. It really is that unimportant, for the last thing NHS wants right now is an outbreak of a different seriois respiratory illness.

There are more 'toxins' in your diet

And although vaccine damage does exist, it is way way less common than damage from the disease. And both whooping cough and measles are in circulation, so there is a real chance that, once social distancing eases, your DC will come in to contact in the coming years. It's not just a theoretical risk

It’s almost two years since I had whooping cough, and I’m still feeling the after effects. I tore my bladder I coughed so hard. And truly there were points where I couldn’t breathe to the point I thought I’d die. I am a big strapping woman, not a tiny baby.

tore my bladder my goodness did that involve an operation to fix?

The side effect of not vaccinating is, potentially, death. Does it get worse than that?

ExShield It's 18 years since I had whooping cough and I still notice the effects. Every time I get a cold/cough I have the cough for much longer than I did pre-WC. It was the only vaccination I didn't have as a child, for medical reasons. I didn't catch it until I was in my 30s - and pregnant. I felt terrible. There is nothing like the feel of WC - coughing so hard it makes you sick, not being able to catch your breath until you are terrified you won't actually be able to breathe. And I had the trauma of waiting to see whether it had caused harm to my baby - luckily it didn't. But other diseases can be devastating for pregnant women.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus

The above story is very moving- I suggest you read it. There hasn't been a case of polio in this country since the 80s, due to routine vaccination against it, but it does still exist elsewhere in the world. As more and more people decide to be anti-vaxxers, it will become more prevalent and eventually we'll see it here. It's also important to remember that some vaccines are less effective the later they're given at, so it's not necessarily a case of being able to put it off until they're old enough to decide themselves.

It is your decision.

But, both of my children are fully vaccinated and I hope the vast majority of children I teach are vaccinated too.

I was at school with a girl who was profoundly deaf because of measles.

10 years ago, my son nearly died from chickenpox before he was even two years old. No vaccine then, but there is now and my two year old daughter has had it. Using your words, I have pumped 'shit' into them, but I know they are a damn sight safer than not having the vaccines.

Vaccines have been around for about 250 years and meant that a number of deadly diseases have been eradicated.

Think for yourself for a minute, of the billions of people who have had a vaccination for any disease, why have you only ever heard of those who have a reaction? This is because it is so against the normal process of what happens. In the same way the national news report a multiple car pile up, but not the bump at the end of your road. One is a very rare event and therefore interesting, the other is mundane because it happens so often.

When you work and travel in developing countries you witness the devastation that these diseases ravage on kids-Inoculations are a lifesaving essential you have the "luxury" of refusing as is the herd immunity provided to you by those doing the right thing by their kids and society ensures you have a level of protection. You ar completely overthinking it with your rationale..simply put immunising saves lives.

OP, what is that 'shit' you think is in vaccines? Do you think pharmaceutical companies are poisoning babies on purpose and put unnecessary 'toxins' in the vaccine, just because?

I know a lot of people working for Big Pharma. They all have fully vaccinated all their DC. If it was true and vaccines were either evil or unnecessary, why would they do that?

Many infectious diseases are making a comeback just because the vaccination programs have been stopped due to Covid. Read what diphteria can do to a child. Or meningitis. I honestly could not sleep until my babies had all the vaccines they could have.

I can’t ignore my instinct / factual knowledge on what I know

What is it that you know that us, the NHS, the scientists don’t? But yes you should feel ashamed, you are putting your child and other children s/he comes into contact with at risk! Selfish as hell, I’m glad health care professionals are keeping tabs on you!

"Please don’t think I am a bad parent I know I’m not the best but how can I willingly push this shit into her body?"

If you were a good parent you'd vaccinate her and protect her. What is this "shit" you speak of? Life saving chemicals? If she gets ill are you going to deny her treatment? Get a fucking grip seriously.

Bear in mind that some nurseries and schools will refuse your child a place without their routine vaccinations

I didn’t know this, that’s great, hopefully it will encourage people to get their child vaccinated and if not it’ll protect children from those who choose not to!

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/roald-dahls-open-letter-about-his-daughter-dying-from-measles-becomes-touchpoint-for-current-us-10019824.html%3famp

Fine you've made your choice. Let's just hope your kid isn't involved in these measles outbreaks that are going in frequency. I think if a new disease like measles came along the lockdown would be a lot more serious than the Covid one. Measles has a natural R value of about 15. 140,000 people died in 2019, most of those were children. Only herd immunity stopped it being more

If you're going to do your own research then you need the skills to critically evaluate the sources you're using, which, frankly, it doesn't sound like you have. Someone's account on their personal blog is not equivalent to a peer-reviewed meta analysis.

The thought of giving your daughter a vaccine makes you feel ill. How do you feel about the thought of watching her lying helpless in a hospital bed with tubes and wires everywhere while the doctors try and find the preventable disease that's trying to kill her?

You seem to have a weird disconnect with what happens if your child gets one of these diseases. You say you couldn't live with yourself if you chose to vaccinate them and a vaccine made them unwell, but if they catch one of these diseases then what...c'est la vie? To be clear, if your child is ill, disabled or killed by something they could have been vaccinated against, then that is just as much your fault due to the choice you made.

As a starting point, I'd suggest getting a list of all the diseases covered by the nhs childhood vaccination program and finding out more about the effects of each of them (I'd suggest just sticking to nhs information). Probably worth looking at the rates of lasting complications from each of them as well. Even if you then decide to only give some of the vaccines, it's better than nothing.

This is natural selection in action.

You’ve made your decision & will have to stand by it.

Get your child vaccinated. We are living through a pandemic wth no vaccination m surely that should be enough evidence for you?

Mumsnet hates people who choose not to vaccinate so it's sad you've come here OP. I've been viciously name called just for saying that I am not vaccinated, nor are my children. Stick with your decision OP.

You and your dad must be very young @SmileyClare. I am 61, and the measles vaccine hadn't been developed when I was a child. Both my sister and I had measles and it affected my hearing and my eyesight.

Firstly as pp said, Google child with whooping cough. Secondly what about covid-19 will you be wanting the vaccine for that? You need to do your research properly and make sure what you are reading is from a reputable source. I had mumps a few years ago. Didn't know I wasn't vaccinated, was absolutely horrific. I was so poorly. Thought I was going to die. I'm still suffering nearly 7 years later. Could you do that to your baby?