15 month old has no vaccines

[Jadejade20]

Hi all. I feel awful and so confused and selfish but just don’t know anymore if I am doing right or wrong. Please don’t judge and educate if you can. I am absolutely petrified to give my daughter any vaccines, the thought makes me feel so ill and I shut anyone off when they try to speak about it. I am so worried they will do more harm than good and I wouldn’t be able to forgive myself if something happened. I know there is the other hand where something natural could happen by also not vaccinating her but I am petrified and need educating. It started off with unwillingly seeing & reading bad story’s about vaccines which I didn’t want to believe until I did my own re search which I really regret ever doing. I looked into all the ingredients and toxins and just awful things put into these vaccines which I feel if any parent actually read would also feel how I am feeling towards them! Please don’t think I am a bad parent I know I’m not the best but how can I willingly push this shit into her body?? I am having pressured phone calls from the doctors constantly which ends in tears every time with me trying to delay it once again. I just feel like a mess now and that I have fucked up... but I can’t ignore my instinct / factual knowledge on what I know. But now I am starting to feel really ashamed of my decision. I just need someone to talk to on the subject. (And no I am not some conspiracy believe on this subject. I have just genuinely been upset and outraged by the ingredients put into our baby’s body’s 😭)

With the greatest respect unless you are an experienced research scientist you can’t have done any meaningful ‘research’ into this. You’ve just read a bunch of nonsense on the internet.

Op all the natural remedies in the world won't help your ds if she contracts one of these preventable diseases. Dd had whooping cough as I said earlier in the thread and in the end we were forced (and I mean forced as in it was the only option for her to get better not that I was pushed in to it) to give her meds that weren't licensed in children at all let alone newborn babies. Who knows the affect this will have on her in the future. Do you know that aluminium occurs naturally in most foods OP?

A good diets never saved a healthy child from an infectious disease. Well nourished humans have died as much as poorly nutritioned ones throughout history.

It’d be better to investigate your mh, your trying to cover all the things the tin hat brigade have said will kill us all but she can still go out at 16, take ecstasy & die. Risk is everywhere & we all manage it without really thinking about it but you can’t manage all risk all the time without having a nervous breakdown.

@Soubriquet Wow ... I mean the fact you didn’t know is exactly what also freaks me out!!

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/vaccine-ingredients

This is actually a pro vaccine website with an explanation of ingredients that are listed in the leaflet of the vaccines!

I wish I had reached out sooner. Thank you everyone for your messages I respect them all. They have taken a weight off my chest and I am defiantly going to call the nurse today

So far your justifications and concerns are completely illogical. Everything you see, eat, breathe ,touch is a chemical. An example of something which isn't a chemical is light or sound.

You seem to have good intentions but honestly stop Googling shit on the internet and trust the health professionals. Their advice is based on years of research, testing and safety trials.

As suggested above, ask a family member to take your dd if you're phobic.

You should be aware that most of the information about vaccines on the internet is heavily biased towards the anti vaxx movement. They make the websites look very official and 'medical' which makes you feel you're getting real medical information - but you aren't. I'm yet to see an anti vaxx medical professional who hasn't been discredited.

Think about it....the NHS is on its arse financially. Why would they spend millions on vaccinations if they weren't effective?
It's simple really. Vaccines save lives. Vaccinate your child.

No one is ever going to write a story about how amazing it was that their child didn't get measles, or how they didn't nearly die from mumps, and they lived meningitis free.

Only the negative stuff is ever published. Yes you can do research but even so you have no idea what you can believe. You also need to validate the authors of the articles and not just what's within it. There is no real evidence that vaccines are harmful.

However it is a scientifically proven fact that giving the vaccines will protect your baby from dangerous diseases, and other people as well.

You can't prevent it any other way.

I will give the vaccines. There's no way I want to spend her childhood worried about whether she'll get sick, keeping her off school if there's an outbreak (which has already started for measles because of this) and god forbid she did get sick then praying she would survive without consequences. I'm paying private to give her chicken pox vaccine too.

Ok so according to that, it was two abortions which happened in the 1960’s

It no longer contains these cells but instead the product that grew on them

Therefore, vaccinations no longer include abortions

Not true, vaccine programs are going ahead.

I'm talking globally. www.who.int/news-room/detail/22-05-2020-at-least-80-million-children-under-one-at-risk-of-diseases-such-as-diphtheria-measles-and-polio-as-covid-19-disrupts-routine-vaccination-efforts-warn-gavi-who-and-unicef

More scared of the diseases then the vaccinations!

I'm starting to think this is a wind up. It's hard to believe anyone can be this naive and misinformed.

Ok so the “aborted babies and cows blood” is basically a misinterpretation of how cell culture works. Viruses need to be grown in cell lines. Some viruses that are inactivated and used in vaccines are grown in cell lines that were created from an aborted foetus a long time ago. This was not a child aborted to produce vaccines this was something headed for the clinical waste bin. And the cells that are used today are many generations on from those original cells. FBS which’s is where the cows blood is coming in refers to serum used to help the cells grow. Now this bit is important: none of the blood or cells go into the vaccine. The viruses are extracted, processed, inactivated. There is zero trace of any components of cell culture in the vaccine. So no you are not injecting cows blood and aborted babies into your child. Aluminium salts are used as adjuvants in some vaccines. There is a difference between aluminium salts and elemental aluminium. Just like how there is a difference between sodium (a highly reactive metal) and sodium chloride (table salt- also found throughout the human body). There is an abundance of studies showing the safety of these salts. Can you link the study you are referring to? Another trend in the anti-vax world is to link studies and massively misinterpret them/ twist the outcomes to suit their scaremongering agenda.

Have you actually read that though, @Jade? The bit about aborted foetus cells?

Firstly, the cells are NOT present in the final vaccine, they are part of the ingredient production process.

Secondly, the ORIGINAL cells used as growth medium were derived from aborted foetuses (consent gained and the abortions were not performed for the purpose of medical research). The cell strains used today are derived from those original cells but they aren’t the same ones. No babies have been terminated for the vaccine. Like it or not, it was waste tissue. In-vivo testing is used all the time in medical and pharmaceutical research and production.

Imagine explaining to a teen the reason they have caught a vile disease is because you read some scare stories on the internet when they were a baby. No thanks! Teens I know with parents like this go and get the vaccinations as soon as they can anyway.

[quote Jadejade20]@Soubriquet Wow ... I mean the fact you didn’t know is exactly what also freaks me out!!

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/vaccine-ingredients

This is actually a pro vaccine website with an explanation of ingredients that are listed in the leaflet of the vaccines![/quote]
Again, you are not reading information carefully. Some cells were taken from two fetuses 60 years ago. Strains of those historic cells are still used to grow viruses to be used in vaccines. A bit like someone making sourdough from a starter that was originally made 60 years ago.

BUT nothing even of the cell strains used to day, is part of the vaccine itself.
After they are grown, the viruses are purified several times to remove the cell culture material

If you're going to research, you need to actually think through what you're reading, and not just cherry pick a sentence and not read on.

@Soubriquet Wow ... I mean the fact you didn’t know is exactly what also freaks me out!!

Wow - did you actually read the description of using human cell strains or just assume what it meant?

I'm glad you're listening and that we're helping, OP. I'm genuinely impressed that you're going to talk to the nurse today. I hope that she understands that you're coming from a place of high anxiety, and is able to help you.

One day your daughter will thank you for getting the courage together to protect her.

Vaccines do not contain fetal cells.

Confusion may arise because the attenuated strains of the disease might be cultured in human cells. There are only four vaccines where that happens, and only one of them is in the regular NHS schedule

The only vaccines that are made in human cells are chickenpox (varicella), rubella, and hepatitis A, in addition to one of the available rabies vaccines.

IIRC the cells originated from elective TOP back in the 1960s, and there has been no need to seek a new supply,

The Pope has ruled that it is permissible to receive there vaccinations. I don’t know if any stricter sects or religions ban those vax because human cells are used in production. Other than Christian Scientists of course - but they eschew all medicine (which seems very misguided, to put it mildly, but is at least consistent - unlike just singling our vaccines but accepting others)

All the organic food and unbleached clothing will not make a scrap of difference if your child is fighting for every breath with whooping cough.
Or deaf, blind or dead because of measles.
Or crippled with polio. Or their throat is closing up with diphtheria.
Stop being so fucking selfish and vaccinate your child.

Some people do have ethical objections to in-vivo testing and development (the use of living human/animal/plant cells/tissues/whole organisms in testing), @Jadejade20. You wouldn’t be unusual if you did, but it is important to understand exactly what it is you are objecting to before you do so. You don’t need to be an expert but you do need to read a bit deeper and apply some critical thinking.

OP just to clarify some misconceptions you seem to hold.

• Everything is a chemical. Literally everything. You cannot avoid chemicals.
• Everything can be toxic depending on dosage. There is no such thing as the 'toxins' some quacks claim we can get rid of by their special diet or shake or foot bath,. www.chemicalsafetyfacts.org/dose-makes-poison-gallery/
• 'organic' does not mean no pesticides. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2011/06/18/137249264/organic-pesticides-not-an-oxymoron?t=1592213276598

Did you know water can be toxic?

Drink too much and you will die

It can also be called dihydrogen monoxide.

Sounds scarier than H2O doesn’t it? But it is exactly the same stuff!

read this essay from Roald Dahl about his daughter
www.roalddahl.com/roald-dahl/timeline/1960s/november-1962

and then vaccinate your child.

I'm also needle-phobia. I know it is hard. but you need to do it.

Sadly this is just another case of someone who doesn't have the education or critical-thinking skills to actually evaluate evidence pootling around the Internet and calling it 'research'. I just feel sorry for the kids. All the organic fairy tears in glass bottles will make no difference when their child dies of whooping cough or is left crippled by measles. But hey, they're just being 'good parents'