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Should she stay or should she go? Mumsnet Jury please help me decide....

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squiffy · 28/10/2008 09:38

OK, I need some opinions on this one. Long long long one I'm afraid...

Our AP has been with us now for 10 weeks and is due to stay until the end of January. BUT BUT BUT I am tempted to let her go early. My DH though says I would be mad to do so.

She is 19, Finnish, clean and tidyish. She drives brilliantly (very important down here in the sticks) and she always gets DS to school on time. She is quiet, always available to babysit even at short notice and is disciplined with the kids. And her English is fluent and she has previous experience so can get to grips with most things I expect of her.

So.. whassup? Well, I simply cannot bear the sight of her. She is morose, dull as dishwater, stares aghast at me if I do anything that she thinks isn't "right" (eg letting my children run down the hallway to meet me - running indoors is a big no-no that she tried to ban the kids from doing until I stopped her), she gets the hump if I ask her to do anything that isn't scheduled (even though we have over 5 hours a week set aside to "help round doing odd things, if she is around" - something she agreed to), and she whinges about the house being too cold (it should be 26 degrees, according to her), and about having to get up early in the morning (6am, usually once, occasionally twice a week, otherwise whenever she wants). She refuses to leave the house for anything despite having a car (not to mention 200 acres of orchards on the doorstep at her disposal. Beaches are too "boring", town centres are too "busy" London is too "scary", buses are too "difficult" car parks are too "confusing". She cannot bear the thought of going to the gym by herself (after I have taken her round to show her everything), nor can she see the point of walking in the orchards around our house "without a dog". She was doing horseriding lessons but that stopped because she would only commit to going every other week and they insisted she sign up for every week (I had already found her extra money from dog-walking in the village if she wanted it, so that she didn?t have to dip into her weekly pocket money). She goes to English class once a week (not that she really needs to but I insisted because she was not doing anything) but doesn't 'see the point' of making friends with any of the other AP's in her class, because she already has 3 friends from home that she skypes and MSNs with every day. So she is indoors all the time, curled up in sofa hugging her jumper, watching Friends (which she tapes 4 times a day so that she doesn't miss any episodes). She slouches off if I ever dare to ask to turn the TV over in the evening (she does have sky in her room , and she could of course watch TV all day long). If I ask her how she is she will look at me as if I am mad and say "Exhausted of course. I got up at 6 yesterday and am still tired" And then she makes this huge song and dance about going to bed at 7pm the night before her early shift, as if I am in some way cruelly torturing her (and, yes, I DID agree the hours with her before she came...)

Beyond all of this though, she loathes my almost 5YO DS and he, in turn, loathes her. She is completely unable to relate to him (eg I made her sit down and play 'frustration' with him. All I could hear from her was "No, it's not your turn", "No, you can't do that", "NO! DS, NO! that's not how you play" and "You're cheating!", until DS gave up and wandered off?.). Fortunately he doesn't have to spend much time with her - one morning getting ready for school, and a couple of bath/bed routines each week (I had planned much much more, but BOTH of them refuse)

I have sat down with her 3 times and had 'those' chats with her, but I get the impression that (a) she just won't ever 'get' 5 YO boys, no matter how much she tries (which isn't much, by the way), and (b) she actually quite likes letting life drift by and feeling sorry for herself, as is much easier than getting off her butt and living her life. It definately isn't that she is too shy, she is bold as brass, she just has no interest whatsoever in anything.

My DH reckons we should just put up with her because she IS always there and so she CAN always cover if we get stuck at work (although she does of course get the hump at being asked - even though I am scrupulous at making sure she doesn't go over her set number of hours a week), and we are both working our socks off at the moment so that is useful. And we do have a babysitter available for Fridays, Saturdays and so on. And we do need extra help in the holidays. But I am at screaming point and ready to get rid, and my nanny also finds her fairly difficult (I had hoped that au pair would take DS off swimming and stuff, so that nanny could give DD (2) some one-on-one but it just doesn't happen because AP refuses to take him).

I have had AP's before and am not a complete newbie, and I have asked her if she is unhappy and wants to move to another family and she is genuinely shocked that I could think this - says she is happy with role and workload and salary etc etc, and then the next day I get all the black looks and so on...I know in my heart she is just being a moody teenager, but it is like having your very own 'Dementer' drifting round the house.

Jury, please vote. Do I put up with the convenience of having all the flexibility and responsibility I could ever need, or do I get rid and replace her with someone more fun and cheerful, but inevitably more haphazard and less 'available'?

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squiffy · 29/10/2008 22:18

Kew - we could do something snacky next Thursday - there's a funny fast food pasta place that Jura and I went to by St Pauls - will try to dig out details tomorrow.. a bit like E.A.T (but italian) - lots of tables in basement. Perfect for lunch (alcohol free, though). Or do you want to go anywhere in particular?

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QuintessentialShadows · 29/10/2008 22:27

Oh get rid, she sounds AWFUL!

mummypoppins · 29/10/2008 22:38

getting very excited about next thurs.......waves to everyone.......let me know time and place......I wont have another meeting in the afternoon so I can be flexible and fit in with you all.....

I dont mind what we eat at all....leave it up to you city bods to decide.

BHMF....got your emial will respond tomorrow. You need to come to worcestershire for the weekend..........no pool at the moment though..its freezing...........BRRRRRRRR!!!

Kewcumber · 29/10/2008 22:39

Is it on Ludgate HIll Sqiffy - something like "Italian pasta" or similar - they do quite nice pasta have had take out form there before

jura · 29/10/2008 22:56

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Kewcumber · 29/10/2008 23:07

yes know it well - that would be great for me.

squiffy · 29/10/2008 23:12

Jeez, why are we all still awake?

So, we are settled on venue - who do we need to round up?

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mummypoppins · 30/10/2008 09:11

mmmmmmmmmm sounds lovely. Which branch........Ludgate hill ?

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/10/2008 09:26

mummyp - got your email and have replied

def cant make thur

have fun all

squiffy - got a flight yet?

squiffy · 30/10/2008 10:47

No, but just spoke to Nanny who is in total agreement and has said she will step in and up her hours if necc. So I will tell AP this Saturday.

Yes - MP, it is the Ludgate Hill branch - there are a few tables at ground level but once you get your food you go downstairs to huge basement area which is where we will lurk.

You'll be able to spot the 3 of us - we'll be the ones everyone is avoiding because of all our grinning and waving at unknown women...

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sleepyeyes · 30/10/2008 11:06

Hi I have only read the opening post.

You need to get rid of her,it must be like having a big black cloud right over your house all day and night.

She sounds like she has a really easy life/job. I had to get up at 6am 5 mornings a week and look after a baby. Pah 1-2 mornings is nothing!
And the going to bed 7pm her trying to emotional blackmail you.

Although I didn't socialise much or have many outside hobbies as I like my own company and I like to read and do crafts an au pair should know when to disappear and give the family some space.

sleepyeyes · 30/10/2008 11:13

Forgot to add, was also a nanny afterwards for many years,there is nothing worse when you work for a family and they have an au pair like this its like looking after kevin the teenager. And your generally not allowed to put them on the naughty step or give time out.

mummypoppins · 30/10/2008 11:55

Ok squiff what time ?? 1pm ?

You have my email address....if you go on to our website my photo is on there...........avoids the need to carr the financial times. Ill email you with my mobile no in case there is a problem.

Kewcumber · 30/10/2008 12:16

1 pm is good for me - my photo is on my profile so no need for email skullduggery (am also tall and large and loud so quite hard to miss)

mummypoppins · 30/10/2008 12:32

Look at

thats me....

mummypoppins · 30/10/2008 12:32

Nope havent got the hang of links then....!!

Kewcumber · 30/10/2008 13:21

www.harrison-clark.co.uk/partnersandassociates/42.aspxc

Kewcumber · 30/10/2008 13:22

but its the wrong url!

Kewcumber · 30/10/2008 13:24

you don't exist - it goes from no 41 to number 47...

Jodyray · 30/10/2008 13:26

GET RID!!! I didnt read beyond the loathing your child part either!!

mummypoppins · 30/10/2008 14:09

ha ha ha how hopeless am I........click on Dawn Oliver

mummypoppins · 30/10/2008 14:09

ha ha ha how hopeless am I........click on Dawn Oliver

squiffy · 30/10/2008 20:01

Well AP asked if she could have a talk this evening... then told me she was finding it too difficult to cope with DS, and could she please go home?

Funny old world.

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jura · 30/10/2008 20:11

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Kewcumber · 30/10/2008 20:13

did you hand her the plane ticket you had clenched in your fist behind your back?