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Should she stay or should she go? Mumsnet Jury please help me decide....

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squiffy · 28/10/2008 09:38

OK, I need some opinions on this one. Long long long one I'm afraid...

Our AP has been with us now for 10 weeks and is due to stay until the end of January. BUT BUT BUT I am tempted to let her go early. My DH though says I would be mad to do so.

She is 19, Finnish, clean and tidyish. She drives brilliantly (very important down here in the sticks) and she always gets DS to school on time. She is quiet, always available to babysit even at short notice and is disciplined with the kids. And her English is fluent and she has previous experience so can get to grips with most things I expect of her.

So.. whassup? Well, I simply cannot bear the sight of her. She is morose, dull as dishwater, stares aghast at me if I do anything that she thinks isn't "right" (eg letting my children run down the hallway to meet me - running indoors is a big no-no that she tried to ban the kids from doing until I stopped her), she gets the hump if I ask her to do anything that isn't scheduled (even though we have over 5 hours a week set aside to "help round doing odd things, if she is around" - something she agreed to), and she whinges about the house being too cold (it should be 26 degrees, according to her), and about having to get up early in the morning (6am, usually once, occasionally twice a week, otherwise whenever she wants). She refuses to leave the house for anything despite having a car (not to mention 200 acres of orchards on the doorstep at her disposal. Beaches are too "boring", town centres are too "busy" London is too "scary", buses are too "difficult" car parks are too "confusing". She cannot bear the thought of going to the gym by herself (after I have taken her round to show her everything), nor can she see the point of walking in the orchards around our house "without a dog". She was doing horseriding lessons but that stopped because she would only commit to going every other week and they insisted she sign up for every week (I had already found her extra money from dog-walking in the village if she wanted it, so that she didn?t have to dip into her weekly pocket money). She goes to English class once a week (not that she really needs to but I insisted because she was not doing anything) but doesn't 'see the point' of making friends with any of the other AP's in her class, because she already has 3 friends from home that she skypes and MSNs with every day. So she is indoors all the time, curled up in sofa hugging her jumper, watching Friends (which she tapes 4 times a day so that she doesn't miss any episodes). She slouches off if I ever dare to ask to turn the TV over in the evening (she does have sky in her room , and she could of course watch TV all day long). If I ask her how she is she will look at me as if I am mad and say "Exhausted of course. I got up at 6 yesterday and am still tired" And then she makes this huge song and dance about going to bed at 7pm the night before her early shift, as if I am in some way cruelly torturing her (and, yes, I DID agree the hours with her before she came...)

Beyond all of this though, she loathes my almost 5YO DS and he, in turn, loathes her. She is completely unable to relate to him (eg I made her sit down and play 'frustration' with him. All I could hear from her was "No, it's not your turn", "No, you can't do that", "NO! DS, NO! that's not how you play" and "You're cheating!", until DS gave up and wandered off?.). Fortunately he doesn't have to spend much time with her - one morning getting ready for school, and a couple of bath/bed routines each week (I had planned much much more, but BOTH of them refuse)

I have sat down with her 3 times and had 'those' chats with her, but I get the impression that (a) she just won't ever 'get' 5 YO boys, no matter how much she tries (which isn't much, by the way), and (b) she actually quite likes letting life drift by and feeling sorry for herself, as is much easier than getting off her butt and living her life. It definately isn't that she is too shy, she is bold as brass, she just has no interest whatsoever in anything.

My DH reckons we should just put up with her because she IS always there and so she CAN always cover if we get stuck at work (although she does of course get the hump at being asked - even though I am scrupulous at making sure she doesn't go over her set number of hours a week), and we are both working our socks off at the moment so that is useful. And we do have a babysitter available for Fridays, Saturdays and so on. And we do need extra help in the holidays. But I am at screaming point and ready to get rid, and my nanny also finds her fairly difficult (I had hoped that au pair would take DS off swimming and stuff, so that nanny could give DD (2) some one-on-one but it just doesn't happen because AP refuses to take him).

I have had AP's before and am not a complete newbie, and I have asked her if she is unhappy and wants to move to another family and she is genuinely shocked that I could think this - says she is happy with role and workload and salary etc etc, and then the next day I get all the black looks and so on...I know in my heart she is just being a moody teenager, but it is like having your very own 'Dementer' drifting round the house.

Jury, please vote. Do I put up with the convenience of having all the flexibility and responsibility I could ever need, or do I get rid and replace her with someone more fun and cheerful, but inevitably more haphazard and less 'available'?

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Blondeshavemorefun · 30/10/2008 21:13

sorted then squiffy

will you now look for a new AP now?

catepilarr · 30/10/2008 22:11

did she actually say 'can i, please?';)

Quattrocento · 30/10/2008 22:14

Yay for you Squiffy.

My misery has COLONISED MY STUDY. So when I want to do Very Important Things like mning my tax return, she is permanently here, watching Friends and knitting. She could do that in every other room in the house, but no. Gah. Roll on Christmas.

jura · 30/10/2008 23:13

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halfaquark · 30/10/2008 23:29

Why do you need a nanny and an au pair? Confused

She sounds v dolorous and gloomy but as you say like a typical teenager really. Must be hard for her as an outsider who knows that you and your son don't like her much, though. Does she like your daughter? Maybe the nanny and she could swap kids?

halfaquark · 30/10/2008 23:31

Doh! Hadn't picked up on new resigning development. Sorry. Glad it's all settled.

MarmadukeScarlet · 30/10/2008 23:45

What a relief for you all.

legalalien · 31/10/2008 08:30

Hi there squiffy! Only just caught up with this - I have been off mumsnet while coming to terms with the new job (reduced hours, hence very busy during the day, lack of laptop at home and mid term break in charge of 3 year old). Glad to hear it's resolved itself.

can I crash lunch on Thursday if I can get away?

Kewcumber · 31/10/2008 09:01

would be lovely to see youfor lunch alien (but guess I can't really say yes as I'm a kind of crasher myself! Still you and I could always sit on another table and heckle)

squiffy · 31/10/2008 10:24

The more the better for lunch I think. Quattro - are you coming next Thurs??

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squiffy · 31/10/2008 10:28

And do you work in London, Marmaduke?

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Quattrocento · 31/10/2008 12:29

Jura, We'd already booked her flight home for Christmas and she feels it would be appropriate to leave then. In principle, I'd like her to leave sooner.

We've been sounding out cover arrangements and subject to finalising these over the weekend, we might buy her an earlier flight.

Quattrocento · 31/10/2008 12:34

Posted in haste - sorry - can't do next Thurs - but thanks very much for asking.

Have a thrilling day at an airport hotel, which will doubtless follow the usual pattern of unfeasibly early start, waste time at airport, waste time travelling, waste time while other people's planes are late, two-hour meeting, waste more time at the airport/travelling etc, arrive back late. You get the picture. All because some meetings just can't be conferenced ...

MarmadukeScarlet · 31/10/2008 20:47

Squiffy, thanks I would have loved to come but I work from home at the mo.

squiffy · 01/11/2008 21:54

Wellllllll, spoke to the 24 yr old rugger man and we have decided to give him a try (weak joke). Probation until xmas. Blimey. As I said on another post, I will have to go commando so that I don't ever come across him washing my 'smalls' (euphamism of course, because they are not small at all).

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Kewcumber · 02/11/2008 10:31

rugger man?! Did I miss something...

Blondeshavemorefun · 02/11/2008 12:06

rugger man ?? - we need a link NOW

Kewcumber · 05/11/2008 15:03

Are we still on for this tomorrwo...

1pm Fresh Italy basement Ludgate hill...

mummypoppins · 05/11/2008 15:51

yes yes see you there. Squiff and I have swopped mobile numbers in case anyone is held up. Not sure who else is coming.........

Kewcumber · 05/11/2008 16:29

Well Sqiffy and I will recognise each otehr so we should be fine.

IWonderIfMamaGStillLovesMe · 05/11/2008 16:42

There is nothing an AP could do that would make me keep them in my house 1 second after I doscovered they loathed my child.

Child care is hard to manage, but people who work will always have to sort out child care and sometimes the child care has to change.

legalalien · 05/11/2008 17:45

I am coming (or at least am planning to)

mummypoppins · 06/11/2008 00:00

OH oh F*ing hell.

Its midnight. I arrived at work at 7.05am this morning and left at 9.40pm tonight.

Got home at 10pm and then had a 30 mins conf with Counsel on the tel the result of which is I am not going to be in london tomorrow.

I am so sorry all...........I was really looking forward to it but I have to be in front of a judge in Birmingham at lunchtime to get an asset freezing injunction.

Have a good lunch if you decide to go anyway have a glass on me. I will settle up when I see you all. Will rearrange London meeting in the next few weeks and let you know the date tomorrow.

Sorry..........slinks away from thread to bed............ xxxx

Kewcumber · 06/11/2008 09:56

Squiffy/legal - are you still up for lunch anyway?

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