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Leaving a young baby for 10+ hours a day

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kcj748 · 25/07/2011 12:00

I am about to have my first baby in November and plan to return to work full time four or five months later. I am incredibly nervous about leaving my baby at this age for such a long amount of time. I don't have the option of working part time so this will be five days a week for at least ten hours a day. My husband works even longer hours. A family member could possibly help out one day a week but we would mostly have to do childcare. My salary will only just cover a full time nanny but I love my job and really wouldn't want to have to let it go. Ideally we would be leaving our baby with a childminder but I have no idea at what age this is realistic and am terribly nervous about leaving my baby at someone else's house and with someone won't be able to give him exclusive attention.

Is it completely insane to think any of this will be possible? Does anyone have any advice about childminders/nurseries and other possible options?

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WindyAnna · 26/07/2011 21:57

Absolute rubbish thermos! It's about the needs of the family as a whole - be that financial, emotional or physical!! If I had been looking after my perceived needs I probably wouldn't have gone back to work - I was actually considering my DD and her need for financial stability, brilliant childcare, love, a relaxed and fulfilled Mommy, fun, holidays, the ability to go out and do stuff every now and again!!

Put your high horse back in the stable, not everyone has the financial capacity to make investments or an OH who makes enough to pay the bills or a career you can leave and go back to whenever the mood takes you or years of work and savings behind them. This is the real world and everything has to be balanced!

Not to mention the fact that as yet you have provided no real evidence of these baby's needs you harp on about and the fact that there is so much conflicting evidence / literature out there that it's far better to go with our own experience whereby we can all cite lots of full fledged grown ups who are wonderful, happy individuals despite being "abandoned and subject to the wanton cruelty of non-maternal childcare".

You keep saying you'll leave thsi thread - could you please now?

Windy

WindyAnna · 26/07/2011 22:03

Oh and as an added advantage my DD gets two part-time siblings who she adores and would never have got otherwise, I give employment to a lovely lady who is part of our family, I see two adorable children who join my own in rushing to do the door and shouting Mummy and/or my name (or versions of it) when I arrive home from work. We live a very long way from our families and this extended family is just bloody brilliant and something my DD would not have had otherwise!! you will NEVER convince me that I made the wrong choice!

Whodidwhat · 26/07/2011 22:12

Presumably if people ignore Thermos completely then they will not get the reaction they are clearly craving?

ChristinedePizan · 26/07/2011 22:21

You what? Confused

MrsSchadenfreude · 26/07/2011 22:32

Link to the survey please, Kalo12. Or some indication of the organisation that carried it out.

FunnysInTheGarden · 26/07/2011 23:03

you do know that Kalo12 has had various incarnations? All of them inflammatory..........!

FunnysInTheGarden · 26/07/2011 23:03

that should have been prefixed by!

cory · 27/07/2011 00:27

kalo12 Tue 26-Jul-11 19:00:58

"Not necessarily true. englad has the worst record in europe for treating children well. "

Sweden, iirc, did pretty well in that survey. And guess what, nearly all Swedish women work- once they have done their share of the generous parental leave- and nearly all Swedish children attend nursery.

My db who works from home and was a SAHP had to give in in the end and let his children attend nursery as there were simply no other toddlers to play with in the daytime.

Ripeberry · 27/07/2011 14:28

Why are you having a child? Something has to give and 9/10 it's the child who suffers by being away from their parents for long stretches or the mother who has to sacrifice their career.
See how you feel once the baby is born, then think about it properly.

CinnabarRed · 27/07/2011 15:23

Woah - it's like Thermosflask has been reincarnated!

BrandyAlexander · 27/07/2011 15:47

Arf @ Cinnabar!

berkshirefem · 27/07/2011 15:49

I think therosflask had a terrible time as a child with her own mother, feeling like she never really wanted her and is making up for it by being with her own children at home.

That is fair enough and I can't begin to understand what that is like. But just in case you're still hovering around thermos, my mum worked full time throughout my whole childhood and I never ever for one second (as a child or an adult) have ever had the thought that she didn't want me.

Please don't apply your own sad experiences to everyone around you.

kcj748 · 27/07/2011 18:29

Ripeberry I think you are being a little cruel. Your opinion is very valid and I have said previously in this thread that I know I will have to wait and see how things are. But I really think it is unkind to ask 'Why are you having a child?' Aren't we all on this to help and support each other? Not make one another feel like bad mothers just for asking questions?

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 27/07/2011 18:33

I agree, Ripeberry that was a dreadful post

scottishmummy · 27/07/2011 18:36

but you know what being stoic,best get used to that question.and be resolute in your choices. if it wounds then you'll spend a lot of time crying in work toilets

plenty precious moments mamas on mn and a few in rl, only to happy to opine why have em if you leave them with strangers

do plan your nanny and everything now
do what suits yourself

motherinferior · 27/07/2011 18:39

I think you're being very sensible to think ahead. Childhood goes on a loooooooong time (I know it's supposed to 'pass in a flash' but I seem to have been a parent for approximately a century, and DD1 is only 10) and it is very, very nice to have some flexibility later on, which is usually only possible for those of us who kept at least one foot in the workplace.

FWIW I used a local childminder who was totally, absolutely, wonderful.

BelleDameSansMerci · 27/07/2011 18:41

berkshirefem - I read some of her other posts and would definitely agree. Having said that, I think perhaps she might have benefitted by using childcare too...

EdithWeston · 27/07/2011 18:41

kcj748: when I had my babies, paid maternity leave was 18 weeks. Lots of us have used childcare for the hours you mention and with babies that age.

Trust me - we're fine, the children are now big enough to see easily that they are fine too. You do need to make it up as you go along - and do remember you can change your arrangements at any time, should you want to (the natural extension of "wait and see").

eastmidlandsnightnanny · 28/07/2011 15:19

I have an 11mth old and have been back 2mths now and chose a childminder I am contracted for 4 days a week but actually until he is almost 13mths I have 1 day a week as annual leave so am only working 3 days and once I do 4 days I will send him to nursery that 1 day.

I do also night nanny so currently am 6wks into a 12wk booking but thats 2 weekend nights a week and I put baby to bed husband has him overnight and I am home to do 1st breastfeed of the day.

Only you know what will work for you as a family and what you have to do finacially - I would love to just be able to do the odd night nanny contract and give up my day job but we really cant afford to.

Ormirian · 28/07/2011 15:28

edith - exactly! In fact IIRC with DS1 I only got 14weeks and I think that included 2 weeks saved annual leave. I find it weird how everyone gets so upset at the thought of leave a 5/6m old baby when it was the norm not that long ago.

fraktious · 28/07/2011 20:48

Some of us still only have 4 months (but time it right for university teaching terms Wink).

And before anyone mithers on I had DS because the choice was have baby in stable marriage a bit sooner than planned or have a termination. No brainer really.

Hatesponge · 28/07/2011 21:02

True that lengthy maternity leave of up to a year is a relatively recent thing, it was accepted as the norm to be back at work within 6 months when I had my DSs.

With DS1, I returned to work when he was 7 months old, he went to a CM from 8am-6pm 5 days a week. As I was a lone parent with a mortgage to pay, I had to return to work asap (having lived off my savings for the preceding months). I didn't find it difficult to return to work when I did, but then frankly I couldn't afford to find it difficult. If I didn't go back DS and I would have been homeless. As it was, he went to a lovely CM and was very happy there for the next 2 years.

JinxyCat · 28/07/2011 21:21

thermosflask - I can appreciate your views, and have read a number of articles about attachment theory (degree in child psychology here although I haven't used it in a few years now) - however I think your focus is a little narrow.

Attachment theory basically says that ANY adult as long as they are giving the child 'appropriate attention and affection' (and that definition is hazy at best (does a mother with three children give all of them the necessary amounts, as an example). It doesn't NEED to be the mother (or the father).

Additionally, going back to work after the children are in school/left home/whatever ISN'T a choice for many people - some jobs just can't be kept open indefinitely (or even for 9 months, whatever the legislation says in the UK currently) and the family needs the mother's income.

It's not as black and white as "if you go back to work and leave your child with someone else you don't care about their development". Many working mums (and I'm one!) feel guilty about leaving, but because I spent the time finding someone to look after my DS that I trust - I can feel 'better' about not being the one at home with him.

Additionally, yes of course I derive a lot of personal satisfaction from my job (and gosh the chance for adult conversation and the opportunity to go to the toilet by myself!) so I would recognise that it's a benefit for me (apart from the financial one) - but I believe that separation which work creates allows me to be a better mother, more attentive to my child's needs, when I am at home - because I have the chance to think about how much I want to spend time with him (and that I don't just focus on the chore mountain that overtakes my thoughts when I'm at home when my nanny is on holiday or I'm at the weekend).

Your opinions are, of course, your own - but I think if you look honestly at your comments I believe you were trying to 'lead from truth' (or what you perceive to be the truth) but not to 'lead from love'. And by that I mean that you were more concerned about pushing your own judgements on someone else (or trying to make them feel guilty/bad about their choices) - than trying to help them with their issues.

Trust me, most working mums I know torture themselves about whether it's the right thing to do for their child if they go back to work or not - so it's never an easy decision, or at least it hasn't been for any of my friends/colleagues.

If you are financially able to stay at home with your children, and that fulfills you - then that's great. But passing judgement on other people because they are not able to do so, especially when they are expressing concern about it being right for them, isn't terribly fair.

kcj748 - I hope you have managed to take something positive from this post, which is that a lot of people support you in your need to go back to work, that leaving your child at 4/5 months is possible - and I hope that you find a good childminder (or maybe a recently qualified nanny who will work cheaply to build up the experience they need?) that will allow you to feel confident about leaving your precious child with them. Good luck.

hellitops · 30/07/2011 20:34

hi kcj748 my ds is 16 weeks old at the moment and I know I don't want to return to my job full time when he's 8 months old but this is partly because I only like my job. However the money is quite a necessity as my maternity allowance runs out at the end of Nov and there is no way DP can fund us both. As it is he has to pay for all the food and most of everything else. I would love to only have to return part time so I can have the best of both worlds but this wouldn't really be financially viable or fair to DP, especially if there are more job cuts next year.

From my pov as a child who was often left with cm's I would definitely say to make sure you find the right one and when your child is old enough to tell you, make sure they are getting all the affection and attention they need. I never told my mum that I didn't enjoy my time with mine and felt the lack of both the cm's (and the other childcare arrangements made during the school holidays) and her attention and affection. I have since dealt with this but I know it affects my own feelings about my ds and his childcare. If you can afford it, a nanny/mother's help may be a good option as your child will get all the 1-1 care and attention he/she needs to thrive and they will be raised in your home environment and all the above.

I am hoping to get around going back to my job by becoming a nanny/mother's help as I could take care of ds in the way I would like, earn money and work with children, which I love, all at the same time. I'm hoping this will be possible but if not I will have to return to work. I'm sure my ds will be fine, he's already stayed with his grandma for a 5day period with no trouble, and thankfully my future SIL is willing to look after him alongside her two daughters.

Definitely look into all options and find out what your options are from your employer and then see what happens and how you feel when your child is born and then you can work everything out.

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