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Leaving a young baby for 10+ hours a day

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kcj748 · 25/07/2011 12:00

I am about to have my first baby in November and plan to return to work full time four or five months later. I am incredibly nervous about leaving my baby at this age for such a long amount of time. I don't have the option of working part time so this will be five days a week for at least ten hours a day. My husband works even longer hours. A family member could possibly help out one day a week but we would mostly have to do childcare. My salary will only just cover a full time nanny but I love my job and really wouldn't want to have to let it go. Ideally we would be leaving our baby with a childminder but I have no idea at what age this is realistic and am terribly nervous about leaving my baby at someone else's house and with someone won't be able to give him exclusive attention.

Is it completely insane to think any of this will be possible? Does anyone have any advice about childminders/nurseries and other possible options?

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FunnysInTheGarden · 25/07/2011 22:52

Wow Thermos you really are a dick, aren't you. I have read this thread and you refuse to listen to others POV at all. Amazing.

woahthere · 25/07/2011 22:52

bog off thermos flask, youve made your point now leave the woman alone. Why do you so desire her to admit that she is putting her needs above her baby's, you are talking to her as though she is a child abuser when she has just come on to ask for some advice. ADVICE not shit stirring.

nenevomito · 25/07/2011 22:57

Thermos, its not nice to beat people over the head with a proverbial stick

No much better to trample on their faces as you climb to the top.

So, who's up for joining my evil army?

thermosflask · 25/07/2011 23:00

SGB, I'm not an appendage. I'm financially independent of my DH, I have my own hobbies, interests and friends which I spend time on, but my DC's come first, and I am absolutely happy with my choices.

I will have to resurrect my career but I'm only 42 so plenty of years of work left.

Also, the comment that children need you more when they're older. No, they are able to communicate their needs much better when they're older, that's all.

G'night folks.

Oligo · 25/07/2011 23:00

That 'love matters' book does not yet have a comprehensive list of sources or evidence in it to back up theories. That area is a relatively new inter- disciplinary field of research.

I would say there are lots of happy well adjusted people whose parents shared care and many that are not are not due to having childcare! Sometimes stressed parent(s) do worse for the child and poverty too can negatively affect them.

Having my mum around when everyone else's was working was often annoying and i felt different to other children and couldn't do school trips and had stupid uniforms etc. cos of money.

Babies/children in the past and in different places enjoy shared care by lots of people in the community.

couldn't read all previous posts! so maybe repeated.

Lilithmoon · 25/07/2011 23:03

I now realise that my efforts to keep food on the table ond a roof over the head of my PFB was completely wrong and I have messed her up completely. Thermos I just don't know how to respond to your ill informed, judgemental and hateful comments. Angry

I guess the only hope is babyheave's army for me and the little 'un :o

FunnysInTheGarden · 25/07/2011 23:14

babyheave I fear I am already a member of your evil army.

My poor poor well adjusted DC's.......

EightiesChick · 25/07/2011 23:29

I am fully prepared to support WOHMs, being one myself, and WOHMs who work a full-time week, being one myself. However, I do feel that because the thread has become very contentious, with insult and counter-insult being thrown around, it risks being overlooked that the working conditions the OP describes are pretty extreme ones that risk being harmful for her and her husband, even leaving the baby issue aside.

OP, I have no problem with you returning to work full-time but the following are details I would really like you to think about:

  • Do you have to go back at 4-5 months? Is that because of a need to be back on a full-time wage by then or employer expectations?
  • You say part-time is 'not an option' - not at all, not even as a phased thing for the first few months back? Have you definitely checked this out? Again, is it financial or employer-driven?
  • The 10 hour days: is there no way of cutting this down at all, maybe doing some working from home? The same goes for your DH - you say he works 'even longer hours'. To be honest, you sound like you must both be exhausted already. I can't imagine what it will be like with a young baby waking several times in the night, even if you get childcare sorted to cover the working day. It's not a healthy working pattern IMO for anyone, with or without children. When do you get any downtime?

-If any/many of these issues are down to the attitude of your employer, then is it worth looking at jobs still in your industry but with other more flexible organisations? (I know the job market's bad, but you get my point, I hope.)

It has been said already that you don't know how you'll feel when the baby arrives. You are being reassured quite airily in some cases that all will be fine. You should certainly have the choice to work full-time after becoming a parent and I have made that choice myself, but don't overlook the fact that it's hard enough as it is, and that your job and your DH's job sound like they have the potential to make it even harder. It really is worth trying to think of any ways that you can soften the situation a bit, for your own sake as well as anyone else's. I would include in this the possibility of downsizing, lifestyle cutbacks etc - not to stop you going back to work altogether, but which might allow you to work out a less harsh way of doing it.

GnomeDePlume · 25/07/2011 23:31

I went back to work after each DC:

DC1 - 6 weeks
DC2 - 3 months
DC3 - 4 weeks

No choice as they could not live on fresh air alone. The first 2 DCs were left with childminders. DC3 was left with her father. We have no regrets about this.

Children need to be looked after, that does not need to be by the mother. My DCs are all now secondary school age and still show no sign of the behavioural problems which Thermos referred to.

OP I see no problems in returning to work when DCs are small. Look into the different childcare options available to you. Consider carefully whether childcare closer to home or closer to work will be best for you. Look at the flexibility and care setting available.

Listen to your gut instinct.

I'm afraid though that the truth of the matter is that your childcare problems start when DCs start school! This is when you have to fit into someone else's routine.

Mimile · 25/07/2011 23:50

Went back to work full-time when DD was 4mo, she is in nursery from 8pm til 18pm, 5 days a week (DD is 2 now).
It was not easy to leave her, although I was glad to go back to my work bubble.

To help with the transition, I took 2 days off per week for the first 3 weeks back in, followed by DH and I spreading our annual leave at the rate of one day per week, either him, or me, for the following three months.

WindyAnna · 26/07/2011 00:10

Wow - I was going to go to bed an hour ago but started reading this thread and have not made it there yet! I have to say there are responses on here which made me glad I've been working on my pelvic floor!

OP - I agree with those who have advised you to wait and see. I'm self-employed in a fast moving technical industry and I knew I couldn't have much time off. I had originally worked on the basis of returning to work when my LO was 3 months old and was convinced I would be absolutely ready for work (all my colleagues joked about me logging on to work in the delivery suite) but found I wasn't ready at all. Frankly it wasn't that I was having a super fab time as a SAHM, in many ways it is drudge and routine at that point (interspersed with absolutely life-affirming wonderfulness but generally quite dull), nor was it that my DD showed any particular inclination for me in preference to anyone else (she was very gregarious from an early age) but rather that I was a disorganised zombie who seemed to have been robbed of all rational thought by broken sleep. When DD was 3 months old I had multiple offers of work, 3 months later I was forgotten and the offers had dried up - scary as I could not afford to not work! I spent a frantic couple of months marketing myself and chasing up old contacts and found work out of the blue when DD was 8 months old. I had a mad panic to get a nanny, found one and spent most of my first day in a new role with lots of new people rushing off to the loo for a quiet sob!! Luckily my DD loved her nanny from the moment she met her and was completely unphased by either my departure or arrival home on that first day! She is still our nanny now having just celebrated 5 years with us! She now has her own children and they are part of our family! Do I believe DD has suffered at all from this - absolutely not!! Is our nanny better at childcare than I am? Yes! I would have struggled to fill 5 days of fun. I'm great at it for the weekend and DD is the centre of everything for those 2 days but I appreciate my own shortcomings.

Thermos - I really struggle with your logic that says that if the reason a child is left is for a reason which you consider legitimate (e.g. a preemie) then that's okay but if it is for a reason which you believe is wrong (returning to work) then it isn't. Surely by your argument the effect is the same and we're all doomed? I know lots of reasons why people leave their children with carers, some through choice, some not - everything from needing to work to death .... these people include those that are still children and those that are adults - they are a mix of different mental states - from happy to depressed and it seems to have very little to do with how they were cared for at an early age!

My DD gets full on love from everyone who has a hand in her care, she is as happy as any child I've ever seen - almost to the point where I worry about her Pollyanna-esque bubble being burst by life at some point. I think she is fab and i think we can all (me, DH, main nanny and temp nannies) can be very proud of her :)

Windy

scottishmummy · 26/07/2011 00:26

start planning and organising a nanny or nursery now,it is achievable
people do it but do be prepared for
the face
quasi science lecture about biddulph and oliver james
anecdotes of daycare hell
and the precious moments speech

and you need to learn to smile,whilst ignoring
decide for yourself what's right for your circumstance

bemused you're asking on mn! its a cue for the precious moments mamas to get the biddulph tambourine out, dust down their attachment books and generally wring their hands...........aha see thats happened already

its all about planning and organisation

when you go back, do batch cook and freeze
when you start weaning batch cook and freeze portions
lay out all baby clothes for the week.so each day outfit ready
lay out all your work stuff for week.less faff in morning
pack your bag nigh before
pack baby bag night before

PigfartsPigfartsHereICome · 26/07/2011 01:52

Thermos -from a nanny's perspective- I love my charges. I care for them, wipe their noses, pick them up when they fall, say 'no' when I need to, give them hugs when they need them. I do everything a parent does throughout the day, then hand them over to either mum or dad knowing the girls are well cared for and loved by all of us. I don't think they suffer or will have 'damage' suddenly manifest in adulthood because the person caring for them for a portion of the week isn't their parent. I'm choosing to do this job, its my passion and I know that not all parents have that passion for spending time with babies, even their own. No judgement, I just know babies aren't for everyone as evidenced by several posts saying similar things. I get up in the morning feeling excited about getting to work and seeing what the girls have gotten up to! 11mo is finally crawing, I can't wait to see her pull herself up for the first time! 4 year old is making friends and tells me amazing things about her achool day. I know them, know their personalities and loves and hates and fears. Are they suffering? I don't think so!

In this case, I know mumboss went back to work as the family needs the two incomes to survive, pay bills etc. They do everything they can to spend time with their kids, coming home early when they can or working from home. The girls love mum and dad, and hearing the baby's squeals when I get to work and hearing a little 4 year old voice saying hi and getting excited over the day show me they care for me too.

In my longest position, I cried the first time the baby clapped because she had been through so much medically and emotionally- born at 25 weeks, suffered a stroke and chronic lung disease. I met her when she was 9 months old, three months after she came home from hospital. So those first 6 months she was away from her mum, who had to recover and take care of her older DD too. The seperation was nesesary and still she is growing up a happy and adjusted child. To suggest she will at some point show emotional damage is just rude and hurtful to all parents who have had some form of seperation, whether for medical needs or financial reasons for going back to work.

All my charges have been loved and cared for. Admittedly not all of my bosses have gone back to work for financial reasons, and sometimes I've felt bad for my little charges not seeing as much of mum and dad as they should be. But I try and offer more love and support and try to help them develope into loving, happy kids.

I have to wonder your views on adoptive parents? If a parent meets their adopted child for the first time at a few months old, for example, are they 'strangers' to the child and do you think the child will be harmed? Or single fathers, or gay couples- most of your posts refer only to the mother, do dads not play a part? What about young mums who have to return to school in order to secure a future for the child?

My own view is a child needs love. Love and the feeling of being loved and cared for, safety and security. I do everything I can to give that to my charges, in the same way any parent would. Or any nanny, nursery worker, childminder, grandparent or any other carer. Thats the important thing, not nesesarily that the only person who can provide it is thr mother.

-and breathe-

rosepie · 26/07/2011 07:01

Yay for pigfart! What a lovely post. Thanks to people like you I can work and my child is cared for. Smile

bonkers20 · 26/07/2011 07:08

kcj do you actually have other options? If not then it's a bit pointless asking whether it's insane. If you have to do it then you have to find the best way for it to work.

So, can I ask what you do, what does your DH do? How long is your commute?

What care options do you have near where you live or work?

emmyloo2 · 26/07/2011 07:09

I did exactly this when my baby was 3.5 months old. I returned to work full-time and he was left with his grandma for 2 days, his other grandma for 2 days and a nanny for 1 day. It actually wasn't as hard as I thought. My hourse are around 9am until 6pm. You get used to it and my DS is thriving.

Funny how you never see men asking the same question? Guilt just piled on women!

cory · 26/07/2011 08:51

How long can one expect to wait before the damage manifests itself, thermos? I'm 47- I suppose it's early days yet? Smile

BelleDameSansMerci · 26/07/2011 09:10

Cory Grin

Thermos - can you not see that you are merely fortunate to have had the luxury of choice? I'd love to know what you do professionally...

ssd · 26/07/2011 09:23

PigfartsPigfartsHereICome, thats a lovely post. I'm interested because i worked as a nanny, too.

can i ask, when you have children, would you be happy due to your experiences, to leave your kids in childcare and work a 10 hour day (i'm assuming thats what your mumboss works?)

I felt through working in nurseries, nannying and childminding it put me off leaving my kids in childcare as i found people like you who are genuinely interested in children were few and far between.Have you found this too or am i being too critical? would be interested in your reply.....ssdx

thebody · 26/07/2011 09:28

hi, op.. i am a cm and have had one mindee from 6 weeks.. 4 days a week, 8am till 6.. he goes to a nursery on one other day...

its very hard for mum... baby has a ball.. he is the most well adjusted happy child i have ever had in the setting, intelligent and friendly..

i often email and text mum during the working day and send photos..

your baby doesnt need one to one attention all of the time, i have 4 here regulaly and all recieve some one to one but also lots of group play and stories..

we go out every day and are one big happy gang..

ignore the negative comments.. of course if we all could afford to pay the bills and mortgage and have some sort of a life besides then who would work!!! but we cant all be so lucky...

choose the right care, get references.. dont worry, sure will all work out fine.

EightiesChick · 26/07/2011 09:35

bonkers20 I am glad I'm not the only one asking this. I am a bit concerned that because of the way the thread has gone, the dominant tone is now a bit bright and breezy about the 10 hours a day set up and is just saying 'everything will be fine'. My concern isn't about the child being unable to cope with being in childcare so much as the impact this will have on the OP - ie being a new mum and working such long hours which would be hard for anybody.

OP, please come back and let people help you work through some of the details of this. I don't want to stop you working full-time but I really think it is worth looking carefully at all aspects of yours and your DH's working lives to see if there are tweaks that can actually be made that would help you all.

EightiesChick · 26/07/2011 09:38

It is good to hear from so many childcare providers who can attest to the excellent care they provide for young babies. I genuinely believe this is possible. What I am more concerned about, as I said, is the adherence to a long working day that will make life very tiring. The OP has not yet said that her mortgage depends on doing this etc, so I really think it is worth evaluating.

thermosflask · 26/07/2011 09:40

Those of you who say you need to go back to full time work to put food on the table, how much do you have left over each month after your childcare costs?

By my rough reckoning you would need to be earning around £50k pa to make working financially viable given childcare costs of around £1500 per month.

My point is that I really wonder about the honesty of some of your claims that you needed to go back to work almost immediately for financial reasons. If you need to work because you find looking after your baby boring and you would rather be at work, at least be honest about it.

Themumsnot · 26/07/2011 09:48

Childcare costs of £1500 a month? Mine were more like £800.
And my happy well-adjust 14-year-old would like to know when she should expect to be seeing signs of emotional harm? And I would like to see the research that backs up your absurd claim that it doesn't manifest itself until adulthood. Because as far as I am aware no such research has been done.

thermosflask · 26/07/2011 09:50

I'm using the costs mentioned by a poster further up the thread. £800 per month seems very low for 50 hours per week care for an under 1 year old.

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