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Separated from my newborn. Feels actually painful

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doingitalllagain · 27/01/2023 02:20

I had my baby yesterday morning via c-section. He came out screaming and all was fine but then 10 minutes later he was taken to be checked very abruptly. I didn't see him again for 4 hours.

I finally got to see him and he was in an incubator. They said his obs were all fine but his breathing was a bit fast so they were going to transfer him to another hospital incase he had an infection. I was sat by him in a wheelchair but nearly fainted so they sent me back to my bed.

They came to get me an hour later saying he's being transferred in 5 minutes to a hospital an hour away, I got to go and have a quick cuddle before he was taken away and after hours of begging was allowed to do some skin to skin and he latched perfectly and had his first breastfeed. Then he was gone.

I couldn't go with him, stable mum not a priority for ambulance, can only go if I discharge myself against medical advice. I had to have a catheter put back in as I couldn't wee. Been told atleast another 24 hours until I can be discharged

The hospital my baby is in is over an hour away. They have said to my husband that baby is absolutely fine, which is brilliant, but makes it feel horrific he's been transferred for no reason. He's not receiving any different care of treatment at SCBU than he was here, it was a precaution but it turned out he didn't need to be transferred and it was most likely just some fluid on lungs. They can't transfer him back though. He's not ready to be discharged for another 48 hours due to antibiotics

I'm in physical pain. I've barely seen my newborn. Held him for just minutes of his life. One breast feed, I am aching for him. I don't know what to do. I can't wait 24-48 more hours.

OP posts:
Mylittlesandwich · 28/01/2023 07:55

mightymam · 28/01/2023 00:23

Wth, why are so many people encouraging the OP to discharge herself?! They've just cut through 7 layers of skin to get a baby out and need to monitor her to make sure her body is recovering as needed. Her baby needs an alive mother over a cuddle.

I had 2 nights in but the second one was purely for breastfeeding. I could have been out in 1 otherwise.

Zonder · 28/01/2023 08:02

Guihgesfy5es · 28/01/2023 06:09

Why? Is that risky?

It's major surgery which needs aftercare. According to the NHS website the average hospital stay afterwards is 4 days. They wouldn't keep women in that long if it wasn't needed. I was in at least that long both times and really needed it.

NotMyDayJob · 28/01/2023 08:13

Zonder · 28/01/2023 08:02

It's major surgery which needs aftercare. According to the NHS website the average hospital stay afterwards is 4 days. They wouldn't keep women in that long if it wasn't needed. I was in at least that long both times and really needed it.

And I was out less than 24 hrs the first time after an emergency c section.

The second time I was in longer but only because my baby was in the NICU if that hospital and no one checked I was ok to do the (long walk) between the post natal ward and NICU several times a day. I certainly wasn't get bed rest) recovering.

I don't know hardly anyone who stayed in four days after a c section. It's not treated the same as other major surgery

ShowOfHands · 28/01/2023 08:21

Zonder · 28/01/2023 08:02

It's major surgery which needs aftercare. According to the NHS website the average hospital stay afterwards is 4 days. They wouldn't keep women in that long if it wasn't needed. I was in at least that long both times and really needed it.

The average stay is probably only that long because of the reasons for CS in the first place. You're more likely to have unwell mothers and babies who necessitated a CS rather than a 4 day stay being recommended simply due to the CS.

It's actually recommended to be up and about asap and discharge on day 2 - with day 1 being the day if the op - being best practice.

NICE guidelines:

1.6.27Offer women who are recovering well, are apyrexial and do not have complications after caesarean birth, discharge from hospital after 24 hours and follow up at home, as this is not associated with more readmissions for babies or mothers. [2004, amended 2021]

BertieBotts · 28/01/2023 08:54

I had this OP. It's horrible and heart wrenching - but - is better than leaving them with you if they had had an infection. The problem is that little ones with an infection can go downhill incredibly quickly, so it's basically a race against time, meaning they HAVE to start the invasive/intense treatments before they even know if there's an infection or not. It's the only way for them to have a decent chance of fighting it if there was one.

I also found the support pretty appalling and I don't think I processed any of his birth for months and months because I was just focused on - OK when can I get transferred - oh, right, they aren't going to transfer me - then when can I get discharged - then how do I pump milk (having simply breastfed with my first baby this was all new) and get it to him and how do I (or DH at the least) spend as much time as humanly possible with him. I found DH was much more cautious than me and didn't want to spend long visits because he didn't want to disturb him while sleeping/eating/etc and seemed to think that us being there would stress him out and he needed to rest, whereas I had the opposite view - that our presence would be soothing to him and we should be holding him as much as we could. (But whoever out of us was right, he was absolutely fine in the end.)

The good part is if he doesn't have an infection and is breathing better, they will likely be able to move him to a children's ward instead of NICU and then you can stay with him (although on a crappy pull out bed). You are allowed to ask for the timescale they think this will happen.

With pumping, it's normal that the pump will only produce tiny miniscule drops and they all get stuck in the pump mechanism and dry up before you can hoover them with the syringe. If the milk gets slightly diluted by e.g. a container that wasn't 100% dry don't throw it away, it's still valuable. If you can hand express then that is usually more effective at producing droplets you can properly hoover up.

Try to see 3 different goals

  • Keep the baby fed (this could be your milk or formula, don't worry - I guess donor milk is not appropriate in this situation, but formula is OK.)
  • Keep your milk flowing/milk supply stimulated. For this goal you don't need to worry about how MUCH you are getting - it's just about stimulating the breast regularly. Don't panic, all will come good.
  • Keep the connection - when you can't be together physically, look at videos of the baby with sound. Keep a muslin in your bra and swap it each time you see your baby so that you have something that smells like them too. Or swap clothing - bring home the worn vests, take in your t-shirt from the previous day.

Once you get to see baby, skin to skin contact is magic and really helps with milk supply and bonding. It doesn't matter if you didn't get to do it at birth - it's useful whenever you can do it. If you're struggling with mobility you can ask the staff to help with kangaroo care - they should be able to do this. In the NICU if you are a visitor and have short visits then it might not be possible. You CAN still get the benefits of this by doing it later.

Once you get to feed directly you might find that they have been feeding large amounts e.g. 50-70ml at a time - this usually then means that the baby gets frustrated at the breast/breast alone is not enough to sustain them because your supply just isn't making that much at this stage. Do not panic. They told me to feed for 10 minutes each time every 4 hours because he would get tired 🙄 - I knew this was crap advice but it took me a couple of days to get my head around what to do instead.

So - the ten minute thing is because newborn babies are pretty low on energy and one that has had breathing issues from fluid on the lungs, even more so. They will do 2 kinds of suckling at the breast - active swallowing (you will hear "shnuk...shnuk...shnuk...") and then a sleepier kind of soft pause-suckle-pause-suckle and seem to be asleep. When they say do 10 mins and then stop, they mean that the active sucking is the part that is getting a decent amount of calories in. BUT, that doesn't mean that the sleepier suckling is useless. It's definitely not. They are still getting milk. However, because babies this little with starting problems are low on energy, they do need a bit of a boost. What I did was roughly every 3-4 hours, I'd sit up and do what I thought of as a "proper feed" - I'd change him first so he was a bit agitated, then I'd ask them to bring the top up. While waiting for this, I'd feed (breast) one side until the active sucking ended, then wind, swap sides, feed the other (breast) side until the active sucking ended. Then wind, and offer top up which had usually appeared/was warm by that time.

In giving the top up, I did paced feeding, which means holding the baby at about a 45 degree angle (or more upright if you feel comfortable) and the bottle as close to horizontal as possible, rather than vertical. This means that they will not be overfed from gravity forcing milk into their mouth. However, even horizontal bottle feeding is easier than breastfeeding and will help with that all important infusion of extra calories. You can also give frequent breaks this way which is how they will feed during BF. This is a short info - google paced bottle feeding for more info.

After the top up didn't seem to be wanted any more, if he was asleep I let him sleep. If he was awake then I would wind him and put him back to the first breast again, and just let him feed for as long as he wanted to, until he was totally asleep, or until I needed to do something else like go to the toilet, eat, sleep. I let him feed sleepily like this as much as he wanted in between the "proper feeds". I think there is a misconception that all of the "sleepy feeding" is bad - some say that it expends more energy than it gains them - I understand that this is incorrect, and it's beneficial, it's just that initially while your supply is catching up, you want to get the top up in before they get too deeply into the sleepy feeding part.

Lastly don't be afraid to keep asking for a plan for how you're going to phase out the top ups, if indeed that's your long term plan. For DS2 we found once we got home it seemed to make sense to consolidate them all into one feed rather than 30ml here and there after each feed, and DH would give it just before bedtime.

mightymam · 28/01/2023 08:57

NotMyDayJob · 28/01/2023 02:29

Most women who have c sections are discharged very quickly, they don't really care about monitoring you like other major surgery

I don't know which back alley hospital you've been to but I've been in for at least 3-4 days with mine. They wanted to make sure all my bodily functions were working and the wound was healing as expected before I left. Don't get me wrong, it was horrendous (noise, other peoples family members taking over the ward) but I'd rather I had the extra care than not. The only person who discharged herself early was the lady who came back the next day with severe migraines. She ended up having further surgery.

motimacboatface · 28/01/2023 09:01

@Mylittlesandwich if you're able to have a wee/poo, etc. and they're happy with your obs and/or you had an elective, chances are you'd be out sooner. I was EMCS first time around and elective second time. I was in 4 days first time and 3 days second.

BertieBotts · 28/01/2023 09:06

Is there much point continuing to discuss the rights or wrongs about self-discharge? OP has already done it.

Frankly I'm appalled that she wasn't sent to a hospital with the best NICU already when her waters had broken early! That's the kind of thing I also wasn't told in advance and if I'd had that info I definitely would have chosen the hospital with the better NICU. I did know it didn't have one, but I didn't know I was high risk for baby needing it.

NotMyDayJob · 28/01/2023 09:22

mightymam · 28/01/2023 08:57

I don't know which back alley hospital you've been to but I've been in for at least 3-4 days with mine. They wanted to make sure all my bodily functions were working and the wound was healing as expected before I left. Don't get me wrong, it was horrendous (noise, other peoples family members taking over the ward) but I'd rather I had the extra care than not. The only person who discharged herself early was the lady who came back the next day with severe migraines. She ended up having further surgery.

I'll tell the top training London hospital with a level IV NICU unit they are some back alley hospital shall I?

Good for you, but you do know it's possible to not A) have the same experience as everyone else and B) be so fucking rude.

Besides which this is academic, OP should have been transferred with her baby and care coordinated with the receiving hospital. That would give best outcomes for mum and baby.

NotMyDayJob · 28/01/2023 09:27

Apologies, I meant a level 3 unit. We chose the hospital because it had the facilities but fortunately did not need them on that occasion.

(The back water I had DD2 in , who did need intensive care 'only' had level 2)

Geetars · 28/01/2023 09:29

I can’t believe you didn’t get to go with the baby! Hope you’re both doing better now.

mightymam · 28/01/2023 09:38

Yes do that and maybe get their opinion on what constitutes major surgery because CS definitely is one.

Of course the OP should've been transferred with her baby- I didn't say otherwise but we're not part of her medical team. We don't know the reasons behind the practitioners making the decisions they did. My gripe was all those posters geeing her to discharge herself and go to her baby no matter what. She's not even had a wee yet ffs. Stay put, get some rest, keep hydration levels up, get some energy by eating good food and then get to your baby is all I said.

NotMyDayJob · 28/01/2023 09:41

mightymam · 28/01/2023 09:38

Yes do that and maybe get their opinion on what constitutes major surgery because CS definitely is one.

Of course the OP should've been transferred with her baby- I didn't say otherwise but we're not part of her medical team. We don't know the reasons behind the practitioners making the decisions they did. My gripe was all those posters geeing her to discharge herself and go to her baby no matter what. She's not even had a wee yet ffs. Stay put, get some rest, keep hydration levels up, get some energy by eating good food and then get to your baby is all I said.

Someone's already told you it's NICE guidelines to discharge quickly if no complications. And still you're doubling down.

As someone whose baby was taken at birth, I can tell you from experience nothing short of a coma would have kept me from my baby and I don't blame OP for doing what she did. I hope she is ok, with her baby and getting any medical care she needs.

MisschiefMaker · 28/01/2023 09:42

I haven't read the whole thread but I really feel for you. My own baby was in ICU on antibiotics when she was born and I also had a horrible birth. They are huge risk factors for post natal anxiety and depression.

My 2 pieces of advice are:

  • if pumping, you will get far more in the early hours, 2am - 6am than you do later. If you're trying to pump in the evenings and getting nothing don't be disheartened it's the timing that's wrong. Also, people who work in hospitals know next to nothing about breastfeeding so don't let them tell you that you don't have enough milk.
  • get yourself a lactation consultant to help you as soon as you're out of hospital.

Formula is fine but I feel your mental health will be harmed by not being able to breastfeed which is why I'm writing this.

ShowOfHands · 28/01/2023 09:50

OP, I really hope you're with your baby right now.

I had a crash cs, haemorrhage and transfusion and the fierce desperation to be with my baby would likely have seen me crawling across broken glass to get to her. Thankfully, our local hospital has a policy of rooming in as far as possible. The baby stayed in my bed with me.

StillWantingADog · 28/01/2023 09:57

Sorry you’re going through this it sounds totally shit but ultimately your baby will be fine which is what matters
your hormones will be all over the place
anyway hopefully you are with your baby now.
I think I would present yourself to the postnatal ward if I were you. They should understand the circumstances.

escapingthecity · 02/02/2023 16:46

Hi OP, I have been thinking about you. How are you both doing now?

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