!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!elective c section am i just a wimp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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im thinking of going for an elective c section my feelings towards the birth are getting more and more pulled towards petrified than excited

am i being silly or would i be better off

am worried about everyting and this issue is just adding to it

sorry for being a whinge and a wimp

please help

I wouldn't say twins would be a definite elective c/s but obviously each case should be assessed individually by the team caring for the mother, including her wishes

Exactly bundle - with excellent care and informed choice my friend was able to deliver her twins naturally.

Tricky one expat. There are many debates raging on these very subjects. We should have good healthcare, we don't.
More often than not, hospitals are dirty mismanaged and staff disillusioned and overworked.
We do not have a right to have children? no. If I faced infertility I would do everything I could to overcome it. Would I see it as my right to get free treatment? No.
Having the right to have a section on non medical grounds does not count as decent healthcare, that is a luxury not a basic 'right'

Overrun - I had twins in Nov 04 and had them naturally. they both had their heads down so the consultant said I should go for it. I was very carefully monitored but it all went fabulously!

I'm glad that I did pick a c section for my twins as in rl I know three twin Mothers who picked VB and all regret it. Hardly compelling from a statistical point of view, but one of the second twins ended up with some form of brain injury due to oxygen starvation, poor Mum really regrets not going for cs, but then you can only make a decision that feels right for you at the time.
The other two women ended up having emergency sections for the second twins

Harrowgatemum, I'm really pleased that it worked out for you and your babies.

Pruni, then my views are no more simplistic than anyone who thinks women should have these rights.
These rights need funding too. Sections bring along with them their own set of problems, not just the ops cost money. Putting things right when they go wrong, dealing with post op physical and emotional fallouts etc.etc.etc. Plus the fact they are more dangerous and that has been proven, than the average vaginal birth.

Blueshoes - I agree with you! My delivery care was awful - including allowing MIL in while I was in labour , not believing me when I said I was in labour 'cos I hadn't dilated (and never did - hence the emcs) and told me I couldn't be in labour as I was being "too polite", ignoring my requests for pain relief and telling me to "come on" when i asked for gas and air, losing the foetal heartbeat because they'd put the wrong lead in the machine (took them half an hour to work that one out)........there is more but we'd be here all day!!!!!!! I personally don't want to go through all that again!!!

We should have a choice about how we want to give birth - I'm going for an elective myself, but respect others in their wish to do something else. I've paid plenty of taxes over the years and really don't mind the money being spent in this way. Until maternity care's improved I'm just not prepared to give birth vaginally just to make everyone else happy!!!!!!!!!!

Most cs mums seem to recover really well - I was up and about the next day. I bf well and would go through it again.

In all honesty, if an elective wasn't an option for me, having had one first time round, I don't think I'd have any more children!!!

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'Would I see it as my right to get free treatment? No. '

It ain't free! At least, not last I checked my pay packet.

"Plus the fact they are more dangerous and that has been proven, than the average vaginal birth. " Errr... don't think so.

For starters let's take that vaginal births that go wrong and end up in an emergency or crash section and put them in the vaginal birth category and not the section category.

Things go wrong in vaginal births as well. My next door neighbor has twin neices who were born naturally. The second one has Cerebral Palsy due to childbirth complications. What a very sad thing that no one offered her a section.

Your taxes don't cover the cost of infetility treatment though, do they?

'Your taxes don't cover the cost of infetility treatment though, do they?'

It's NI, not tax. And if someone is receiving fertility treatment on the NHS, well, then yes, the NI money is being spent on it.

And I don't have a problem w/that. In fact, I'm glad I can help in some small way, it must be awful to go through that, not to mention the treatments are no walk in the park.

My taxes are enough to pay for us all to have sections!

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of course natural births can go wrong, but you know that MOST do not. Quoting ones that you know of that have does not support your argument. We all know people who've been unlucky and have had bad labours, I've been one of them, but it does bot justify electing to have a section because you are worried somehting might go wrong in labour. It's like saying that because of the extremely rare occurance of someone dying of chickenpox then chickenpox is very dangerous and we should all be immunised( perhaps you think we should, some people do ) How about because cars can kill then no one should have them. You could go on for ever really

I recently heard a statistic that if we didn't have sections, one in four births would result in someone dying. That does not sound to me like "most" go without complications.

That statistic sounds highly suspect. Most statistics one hears here pretty meaningless. Ask any mathematician.

Uwila, where did you read/hear that statistic, it does seem really high

How on Earth can you define national health policies without statistics? That flies in the face of everything that is the NHS.

I don't mind if others want to have vaginal births. But I do mind anti-choice propoganda. You birth preferences are fine for you, but you have no right to push them on others.

This thread was started by someone who genuinely does not want to give birth vaginally. I did not put that idea in her head. I came on to support her for a choice she had already made. You on the other hand are trying to persuade her that she doesn't really have a right to have the birth she wants. I can't understand what motivates you to do this.

How about traumatised mums not having the option for cs births, therefore people not having any more children!!! As it is, many emcs mums choose not to have more children - surely the choice has to be there for this group, at the very least!! I think post traumatic stress is a good enough medical reason for me that someone might opt for an elective!!!

And it's ridiculous that some people can't get fertility treatment on the NHS because of where they live!! The NHS seem so keen on policies, if only they were consistent!!

They are usually doctored, with vital bits of information missing, in order to support a paricular need, for example ' one in four births in ....high risk women, drug dependent mothers.. would end in death ..... bits are simply left out and this gives complete misinformation.

I heard it from a friend (a mumsnetter as it happens) but I don't really want to name her as she didn't say it on mn. She may have been referring to medical practices before caesareans existed, and therefore there may have been more factors due to other technoloigies and practices that hadn't developed (i.e. lower standars of cleanliness, no monitoring of the heart beat, etc.)

Because I believe it to be right

But why do you believe it to be right for other? Why do you care? And what give you the right to tell others how to have their babies?