!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!elective c section am i just a wimp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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im thinking of going for an elective c section my feelings towards the birth are getting more and more pulled towards petrified than excited

am i being silly or would i be better off

am worried about everyting and this issue is just adding to it

sorry for being a whinge and a wimp

please help

Oh yes, the poor NHS and all those other "necessary" treatments. Errr... Are you saying that the NHS only provides medically necessary treatments? What about a hip replacement? I mean really, can't people just hop? You don't have a fear of hopping do you? Maybe you could go see somesome so could accept your fate of being a hopper? What about heart disease? Should we let peole die the old fashioned "natural" way? And what about those selfish jerks who eat chips and currys. Surely they shouldn't choose to have a stint to save their lives.

And why have you put my name in caps? Are you scolding me?

boobyliscious - good luck with the psychiatrist. I hope you get lots of support from the team.

Just to say, that with the birth of ds1, although I didn't feel too frightened during the pregnancy, when things started to happen. I think I was terrified, and as my heart rate shot up, my babies went down. They kept telling me to calm down, but I was so scared by his heart rate falling that I couldn't.
I don't know whether this affected my baby or not, but did end up with a emergency c-section under ga, so next time had a planned one.

boobyliscious - good luck with the psychiatrist. I hope you get lots of support from the team.

Just to say, that with the birth of ds1, although I didn't feel too frightened during the pregnancy, when things started to happen. I think I was terrified, and as my heart rate shot up, my babies went down. They kept telling me to calm down, but I was so scared by his heart rate falling that I couldn't.
I don't know whether this affected my baby or not, but did end up with a emergency c-section under ga, so next time had a planned one.

And, incidentally, Claraboo, we do in fact have the right if know how to go about requesting it. In my antenatal class (epsom, 3 1/2 years ago), two women requested sections for no "medical" reason. One wanted control over what day it would arrive, primarily because she wanted her husband who travels for work to be there. And the other was simply terrified of the birth. BOth were granted their requests. I learned this after we had all had our babies, and I thought "Hmmm... wish I'd thought of that". I obviously was not one of them.

No, i'm not scolding you. I think your 'arguments' are spurious to say the least.
I said that people should have operations that are a necessity, hip ops come into that ,surely. A section because you don't fancy pushing a baby out??? Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Yes, we could spend hours going through all the treatments the NhS does that are deemed 'unnecessary'. That's not what we're talking about. One argument does not lend credence to the other and two wrongs don't make a right

Claraboo when I met the then Minister of Health a couple of years ago his stance was that all women should have be able to make an informed choice to decide on the care/treatment they wanted.

Booby - if it helps my friend was petrified of hospitals and would not even consider giving birth in one. She has had 3 successful Home births. So if the fear is there, it can be addressed.

Oooooo... MrsRecycle met the Health Minister. Shall we all bow now.

And David Cameron - and of course you know dd2 has sat in the queen's chair!

Bow my people!

Yeah right, any minister you ever meet says you should be able to have whatever you want whenever you want.
And of course labour has done a fantastic job looking after this coutry and its health sevice. Ministers are not not well know witnesses of truth.
That's half the problem; people nowadays have been lead to believe that they have the right to have what they want when they want it. Still that old chestnut has kept the government in power when they are patently incompetent liars

claraboo, I used to be of the "no cs on demand" camp. But have since changed my mind.

Until the NHS sort out their midwifing staffing problems, the inadequacy of the birth advice that is offered to women, their misplaced enthusiasm for inductions, the level of support offered to women who are undergoing and who have undergone traumatic vaginal births, their inconsistent policies (some hospitals I understand are quite happy to offer electives with no questions asked), I am of the view that the NHS have to offer cs as an alternative to vaginal births, even (or should I say particularly ) in cases where the mother is too scared to push.

I am frankly shocked at some of the stories on mn of the disdainful way labouring women can end up being treated in hospitals. And I have certainly experienced being emotionally abandoned by the medical establishment after my failed induction/crash cs. The NHS cannot insist women do vaginal births, unless they get their act together in that area. I can see why a lot of doctors wisely choose cs for themselves.

So you think people shouldn't have the right to have what they want when they want?

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Of cousre they shouldn't have the right. That's crazy. Where would we all be if people had these 'rights' and then excercised them? This is not America with its consitution.
We live as social animals and we have to rub along together. Children think they should get what they want when they want it. ( I am not calling anyone here a child by the way) As adults we realise that it does not work like that.

It seems like women can be extremely traumatised by bad birth experiences whether they have a VB or CS. AS many people have said, it does seem as if women having a choice,and being listened to might negate some of this emotional pain

"You are essentially bed-ridden for a few weeks after a section. It really hurts to cough or laugh. It's quite miserable. Please try to have a normal delivery if you can ..."

sorry nqc, I really disagree, I was definitely not bedridden for weeks and it only hurt to cough for a few days. I managed my pain relief much better for my 2nd c/s and got moving much more quickly - I think it's good to be realistic but not so pessimistic (for those MNers who might end up with an unscheduled c/s )

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I would not have had the sections I ended up with if I'd had no medical reasons...ie marina is right, any abdominal surgery is serious stuff and is riskier than a vaginal delivery and should not be entered into lightly.

Because we can't always have what we want to have. We can't always choose. We have so much more choice than we ever had, than our mothers and grandmothers, yet it is not enough for most people.
They want more and more and more. For every freedom given in one area, another suffers, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Of course everyone thinks the choices and freedoms they are demanding are complltely logical and fair. Very few people make unknowingly unfair demands. Once again i reiterate that soceity cannot function hralthily when people keep demanding this that and the other because they want it!

But he was in charge of the NHS claraboo!!! I am not getting into a politics discussion - I have been on far too many NHS committee meetings (with GPs/RCOG/Midwifes all present) to know exactly the inconsistency of policies and procedures throughtout the NHS.

Blueshoes, having just met my midwife for the first time at 32 weeks, I can really support your view. I have been really enjoying this pg and her 1st sentence this morning was you may have pre-eclampsia. What sort of reassurance does that give me? She was adamant ds's head was down when I knew his head was transverse and told me that she was an experienced midwife. I told her I was O+ blood group and she still wouldn't take my word for it and rang up the hospital to check. Finally asked if she'd do the private (96% accurate) GBS test and she said no but I bet she's going to try and get me to waste NHS money on having the GBS test that is only 50% accurate.

Thank heaven's I'm having a CS - I wouldn't want her in charge when she doesn't listen to a bloody word I say.

What is your opion on twin births, do they count as elective or medically indicated. I know you can deliver naturally, but the stats for something happening with the second twin, and ending up with a c section anyway are very high.
I thought about trying to have a VB but even the midwife said, "why put yourself through it love, I have seen too many twin births go wrong"

Yes and what STATE is the NHS in?

'I am frankly shocked at some of the stories on mn of the disdainful way labouring women can end up being treated in hospitals.'

Exactly, bundle. Not to mention the babies who have died, yes, died directly from mismanaged labour.

As for the 'right' to decent healthcare, well, let's see, then Claraboo, should the NHS also stop funding infertility treatments for couples who can't afford to pay for them privately? After all, they don't have the 'right' to have children - that only belongs to people who can afford the treatment? Or how about those who developed illnesses as a result of their behaviour - obesity, substance abuse, HIV or HepC or STDs from risky sex?

I actually had better suspected breast cancer treatment on the NHS than I did privately so I happen to think the NHS is a wonderful State.

Twin births can be risky for many reasons. I think an elective section for that would be put in the category of medical grounds, don't you?

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