All the cancers that formula feeding cause. any figures?

[mumtotwoboys]

So we know bottle feeders suffer more breast and ovarian cancers, and their babies suffer more childhood cancers (like leukimia) and bowel cancers later in life..
Any specific percentages?
Anything showing the amount of cancers it causes in relation to smoking?

Ask for it to be deleted if you like.
It's obiously attracting far more mudslingers and I'm getting various insults thrown at me from all angles over the particular wording of the title which I cannot change :-/

Almost to scared to post with the attitude on here from a couple of people. I FF all my children due to medical reasons which I am not going into on here, suffice to say supported by DR/HV and breast feeding support worker. This thread title and a lot of your posts OP have me very close to tears, we have enough guilt as mothers without attitudes like yours. And statistics can be very misleading. DM like quotes such as 'Doing x makes you three times more susceptible to y cancer' really mean very little if the increase is from 0.001% to 0.003%. Its still three times more likely but the risk in reality is increadibly small.

I would have LOVED to breast feed, based on the info given out many years ago. You OP are the tiny minority who give BF supporters a bad name.

I'm off this thread now to read something that dosen't make me want to cry when I look at my beautiful, healthy children.

Ouch.

Nast nasty OP nastiest I've seen in a while.

I hope you are proud of yourself OP.

If you want to share your information with people who have yet to have their children why not choose a pregnancy forum where the prediominant memnership is that. here on mumsnet I think you will find that the vast majority of posters have already had their children and made their feeding choices.

Thus I conclude that your thread is not an attempt to enlighten anyone to whom this choice has yet to come, but rather to gleefully have a go at people who have already made their choice.

Pleas do go away.

"I won't go to the trouble of scanning, uploading, hosting and linking my pregnancy notes as I think the information I'm trying to share, I'm suspecting actually doesn't want to be heard by many people here."

or, it's not there.

because it's not. I have quoted the reference to infant feeding in the nationally used NHS pregnancy notes.

Ask for the thread to be deleted if you are unhappy with the phrasing of your OP appearing in active convos and deeply upsetting many many people.

If not I can only conclude as per my previous post that maximum upset is the real aim of this thread, nothing to do with information.

Phrasing your OP as if you are innocently asking for information when you clearly have an axe to grind.

nasty nasty you should be ashamed.

You don't know the difference between a correlation and a causitive factor, you have misinterpreted these notes.

Why not link to a peer-reviewed journal article (or even better series of articles) which says that FF causes childhood cancer? perhaps because there aren't any.

I have multiple health problems including type 1 diabetes despite having been exclusively BF past one year. So there may be trends, but BF isn't a magical good health talisman.

This thread and your later posts personally hurtful, because my health problems mean I will almost certainly have to FF. You seem to think that FFers are selfish or ignorant. Your thread title says "all the cancers FF causes". Well my aunt was BF and has never BF or FF a child herself. She had breast cancer. So how to do you explain that? Perhaps because the causes of cancer are complex and can't be reduced into a couple of lines

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Just out of interest do any of the studies take into account socioeconomic factors ? or the diet the baby was weaned onto ? The problem with your ludicrous jump from breastfeeding offering a degree of protection (not as you may believe total protection) against certain illness's and formula feeding causing such illness's ,is you fail to take into account anything the child ingests ,where they live , known family medical history ,for the rest of that childs life .
I also take it that you will not be giving any products containing cows milk whilst your children are under your control ,given as you seem to surmise that it is the devils own juice ?

You know what, I keep my posts evidence-based yet I'm a 'militant nutter' and 'on a sick ego trip' and 'should be ashamed of myself.' How on /earth/ do you get to a point where you can say I 'want' formula fed babies to get cancer?

There's an awful lot of judginess and namecalling going on. I have absolutely not attacked or blamed mothers who formula feed. Your anger at me is very much misplaced when I haven't even expressed a personal opinion.

Here's what it is though:

Surveys repeatedly show the vast majority of new mothers intend and want to breastfeed. The majority of them stop much earlier than they wanted to.

If you make a free, informed choice to bottlefeed from the get-go, that's your choice. I'm not going to debate your choice with you.

However, the majority of women who eventually turn to bottlefeeding feel that they had no choice and were forced into it by circumstance.

This is bad for them and bad for their babies. So if I'm a 'militant nutter' for thinking this situation should be improved and working to improve it, then feel free to think that. I believe this is an issue in public health that really needs a lot of work and don't think stifling debate, education or information around it in an appropriate forum in order to spare feelings is helpful - we should be aware of the importance of breastfeeding in 'real' terms. Knowing the actual evidence makes us more likely to demand more from our caregivers than knowing a fuzzy message about 'breast being best.'

Most importantly, women are just not getting the actual support they need to establish and maintain breastfeeding. Not enough lactation counsellors and consultants in or out of hospitals Not enough information on where to get support when they leave hospital. Not enough educated doctors and caregivers who know how to recognise and treat common breastfeeding problems, who are prepared to work with women to find medication solutions and just tell them to stop breastfeeding.

Plus we live in a society where a lot of girls never see women breastfeeding.

There are big changes that should be made. Cultural and social changes are the hardest and most complex, but there are plenty of easier ones that could and should be made at government and NHS level to offer practical support and education to both women and their caregivers.

Agree with carmen that the support is not there for women trying to BF, which is why rates are so crap not because people are actively choosing to FF.

There is no point in shouting at and slagging of women for FF, or indeed for going on and on and on at them when they are pregnant, as the real reason that women do not BF is because they are not helped to do so when they have an actual new baby wriggling in their arms.

The rate for BF newborns in the UK is between 70% and 80%. I would call that pretty reasonable and far better than people like the OP would have us believe. It drops off pretty quickly though and thus ut is support that is the problem, not intention.

Castigating women for making the choice to FF is thus pointless. You should be castigating the NHS for failing to support women in the early stages of BF.

i think carmen the main problem with the op is that she is misinformed at best . You are right when you say studies suggest that breast feeding offers a level of protection . the op is stating as a fact that formula feeding actually causes cancer ,where in fact there are no studies to support that and as im sure you are well aware the levels of pcbs and pvas are actaully higher in breastmilk than formula .But i digress , you are totally right to say that support surrounding breatfeeding is still inadequate , there is 15 years between my eldest and youngest and i can quite honestly say that the actual 'real' support as opposed to healthcare professionals just saying 'do it' hasnt improved dramatically in those 15 years

sorry about punctuation ,busy breastfeeding

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How dare you post such pish? Stating that by FF a mother could be risking their childs life. You stupid woman.

much as i disagree with them op's style, there are risks associated with formula, and pretending that there isn't because it upsets people is just silly.
You can't dismiss facts because they are unpalatable. FF babies have higher risks of all manner of things.
I expect that makes me a militant nutter too.

I think threads like this are such a shame and the OP should ask for it to be removed. Not because I think ff is as good as bf or that ff increases the risk of children having medical problems as CSD links, but because the op now will cause all pro-bfeeders to be told they are bf-nazis/ breastapo etc and constantly judging those who bottle feed their babies.

This hugely undermines the work done by people like Tiktok and all the bfcs who actually help people to bf and to continue for as long as possible because the impression is given they're all judgey nutters like the op.

well said tummytime

I think the problem here is that this forum serves two purposes that aren't very compatible.

I wonder perhaps whether the breast/bottlefeeding news and debate should be separated out from feeding support?

Just an idea.

I just came on here feeling like I should apologize for the insensitive way I started this thread.
But everytime I see a new post calling me names it seriously makes me not want to apologise IYSWIM because the shit you're giving me is far worse.
I say something in a slightly insensitive way, which I'm sorry for as I don't want FF to feel bad about a choice that they cannot now change.
But being called a disgusting/liar/nasty/militant/idiot/etc etc
when I'm NOT actually, is bad.
I don't think I should be the one feeling ashamed, I've recieved enough abusive posts aimed at me in this thread, for saying something in an unthoughtful way that I think shame should be on you guys.
Name calling in threads just drags the entire tone down.
I could have been corrected and apologised without all this hate towards me.

Carmensandiego

"""""You know what, I keep my posts evidence-based yet I'm a 'militant nutter' and 'on a sick ego trip' and 'should be ashamed of myself.' How on /earth/ do you get to a point where you can say I 'want' formula fed babies to get cancer?""""

Lol sigh
It's a breeze having people like you in debate forums and online threads, it really is.
I think you've been very reasonable and should be proud of yourself.

It is tiring though I'd imagine, much easier to go into a trhead and spew out a load of accusations etc.
But I appreciated your links, you can make people think in these threads (I seem to be better at enraging people)
But you should stick at in.
There are some sites where you can discuss things without all this crap, I need to find one myself actually....

Well, yes, OP, you could apologise for your "slight" insensitivity.
There's also your tone, scaremongering and misinformation.
For starters.
I think you'll find people on this board are very well informed about the benefits of bf/ risks of ff. (Those damned semantics again)
This board doesn't need a troublemaker wanting to stir, under the guise of trying to help.
It undermines the real help and support and genuine debate and information availiable here.

"""There is no point in shouting at and slagging of women for FF, or indeed for going on and on and on at them when they are pregnant, as the real reason that women do not BF is because they are not helped to do so when they have an actual new baby wriggling in their arms.
""""

I agree, I'm afraid I can't think of anytime I've witnessed someone doing this so whilst I appreciate you're POV completely, I don't know of anyone you're actually arguing against here, eek

This thread is pointless now, because I'm the 'judgey militant nutter' who wont be able to say anything right, regardless.
So I hope it gets deleted.

Wutaker you are a joke, acting like you're concerned about genuine debate being undermined here.
YOU came into the thread with a post calling me names and nothing else.

I thought your thread title was horrible.
Your information based on "I heard" and google links.
You upset people and carried on bullishly.

So shrug. You think I'm a joke.

You called me disgusting and what else? and offered nothing else.

Putting me down for what reason? Pointless.

If you don't like the information attack it, not me.
I have absolutely not attacked another person here.

You people who come into thread to call others names are the ones who 'should be ashamed'
If you think my information is incorrect, why not say so, why call me names?

People coming into forums to throw around hatred to let off steam - it's fucking sad

Good grief what a scary thread - OP have you apologised and asked for it to be deleted?

zebedeethezebra - it really offends me when anyone is likened to the 'gestapo' even when they are being twats. You should take that right back.