All the cancers that formula feeding cause. any figures?

[mumtotwoboys]

So we know bottle feeders suffer more breast and ovarian cancers, and their babies suffer more childhood cancers (like leukimia) and bowel cancers later in life..
Any specific percentages?
Anything showing the amount of cancers it causes in relation to smoking?

Ah Jareth!

Soo wasn;t ask you to prove credentials . And I know it doesn't. Just was hoping the op would rsurface with Evidence! As in we're in the right!

On your side sista lol

xpost Val!

epidemiology is fascinating. you can take environmental/sociological factors into account in a study, but anecdotal evidence after the event is often pretty useless.

There are so many factors that can cause cancer, so many of them, sadly still unknown. environmental factors play a huge part, as does genetics.

OP - throwing around ridiculous comments on a subject you are clearly ill-informed about is irresponsible and thoughtless. there is likely a new mum reading this who is trying really hard to feed her newborn - I certainly had a hell of a time feeding DS, and this kind of bullshit thread would have had me in tears.

Get your facts right. If you have evidence contrary to anything I've said, please post links - I have access to medical journals.

hormonesnomore
sorry about your DD

Well, neither smoking nor formula feeding 'cause' cancer so the thread title is a bit inflammatory.

But on the other side of the coin, breastfeeding is the physiological norm. So if we're arguing semantics, technically artificial feeding removes the natural protection against cancer, ill health etc. So it's more correct (though less palatable) to say formula feeding increases the risk of cancer, rather than saying breastfeeding protects against it.

And yes, there is plenty of evidence for this. I've referenced three studies about cancer in my earlier post and the risks for ear infections etc. is well documented.

This link has a tonne of relevant, credible references to the risks attached to formula feeding including osteoporosis, Crohn's, Hodgkins, asthma, SIDS etc.

There is alot of pressure on new mums to BF where I'm from, all the posters and leaflets they give you are of BF support groups and numbers to call if you need help. But never is it said that you'd actually be doing your baby harm (or yourself) by not BF.

And quite rightly so, as there is no proven link between FF babies and illness later in life (if I've missed it- show me the RCT journal papers please.)

But on the flip side, there is very little support and guidance for mums who want to bottle-feed. Like how to sterilse, to make up feeds, how to hold the bottle so they don't take in too much air etc.

I think women get a bit hysterical about the whole BF/FF debate, because noone wants to think they have done wrong by their baby. But some people can't BF for loads of reasons, and they shouldn't be made to feel that they're in the wrong or have failed their children in some way.

I find posts like this one really unhelpful, and just adding to the whole mystery of feeding when it should be easy.

It's not really the sort of thing you can ethically conduct RCTs on, for obvious reasons, however I did find one included in these studies after a brief look.

But the link in my last post included plenty of evidence from journals and papers including a number from the Lancet and the BMJ. Yes, they're not 'proof' but they're strong, peer reviewed evidence.

Thanks for those links Carmen - I'll look at them properly later

Current pregnancy notes (pg18)
(BF)..."protects against gastro-enteritis anf diahrrhoea, urinary tract infections, ear infections and chest infections; it may also protect against allergies and diabetes. For you, breast feeding reduces the incidence of premenopausal breast cancer, ovarian cancer and hip fractures in later life."

NO link drawn between feeding method and any cancers in children. NONE.

What a load of bollocks and shame on you for starting this thread, which quite frankly I cannot be bothered to read in full.

Formula feeding does not CAUSE cancer. Where on earth did you get this ridiculous idea from? Are you one of the breastfeeding gestapo??

You total scaremongerer.

OP, I find your tone at best flippant and at worst morbid. Same goes for some of the other posters, such as CarmenSD.

Do you WANT formula feeding to cause childhood cancers? Does it put you on some sort of sick ego trip for not FFing? I hope you haven't seriously upset anyone with your title and its content.

I am very pro BFing and have breastfed all my children (still BFing DD3), but there is a militant element to the pro BF camp which disgusts me at times - they seem to genuinely want to find evidence that children and people who were formula fed and mothers who formula fed will die of horrible, painful diseases, and seem pleased when they find any statistic which suggests this might be the case.

Feed your own child the way you choose, OP and Carmen SD and the rest of you militant nutters. Why do you care so much about what others do?

And OP, if you have a shred of sensitivity and social awareness, do not ever post such a hurtful and insensitive title again.

my mum was breast feed and she feed me and my brother. she still got cancer

I was a bottle baby. I've got the trots at the moment, should I blame my mum?

disgusting ignorant op

carmensandiago

""""But on the other side of the coin, breastfeeding is the physiological norm. So if we're arguing semantics, technically artificial feeding removes the natural protection against cancer, ill health etc. So it's more correct (though less palatable) to say formula feeding increases the risk of cancer, rather than saying breastfeeding protects against it.

And yes, there is plenty of evidence for this. I've referenced three studies about cancer in my earlier post and the risks for ear infections etc. is well documented.

This link has a tonne of relevant, credible references to the risks attached to formula feeding including osteoporosis, Crohn's, Hodgkins, asthma, SIDS etc. """"

Good post, it's hard for me to get too into sharing links in a thread like this when 90% seem to be more interested in having an argument than sharing research.
I won't go to the trouble of scanning, uploading, hosting and linking my pregnancy notes as I think the information I'm trying to share, I'm suspecting actually doesn't want to be heard by many people here.
People are very defensive about the possibility that they could have fed their baby something inferior, as we can see OR they would just like a bit of a mud slinging match to pass time.
I don't think it's logical to be so defensive, I don't hate my mother for choosing to bottle feed me as she was just unaware of the importance of breastfeeding, so there's no fault to be placed.

However, when for example; it's being discussed how my brother's new baby will be fed when born, I WILL be eager to share advice and evidence I've found with the mother.
I don't think it's fair on anyone to stay under the 'they're bassically the same not much difference' insinuation
-I used to think that before really looking into it, and when you realise the importance of something you want to pass on that knowledge, it doesn't mean I'm trying to offend anyone, I'm trying to help.

I posted this thread because I was hoping other people would have some good sources to share,
so thank you carmensandiago, that was helpful

"it's being discussed how my brother's new baby will be fed" - LOL, it's hardly being discussed with you.

Formula feeding, in place of breastfeeding does increase cancer rates, so I'm not going to retract that formula causes cancer, because actually it does.
I'm aware as I've said that it also saves lives of those few who cannot naturally feed.
But near on 80% artificially feeding at 6months indicates that it's a choice and all choices should be well informed IMO

No it's the mother's choice, but I will step in when people are passing around ill informed advice like 'oh formula is just as good these days'.

You do know dont you that the benifit of breastfeeding and reducing the risk of pre menapausal breast cancer ,decrease dramatically after the age of 30,so we should also be advocating all women have their children before this age ?
Also with regard to toxins ,breast milk also contains toxins ,absorbed from the environment ,so give up cleaning post haste and move to outer mongolia .
To simplify the reason for anyone getting cancer to a case of formula feeding is naive in the extreme ,of course breast milk is always going to be the best option . Do not under estimate the power of genetics though in predisposing humans to cancers / digestive illness's / exzcema /asthma etc .

Can i just add that while breast milk does contain toxins ,i appreciate that it also contains antioxidants aswell. Its just wandering around talking about formula as though breast milk is 100% pure is nonsense .

oh and the first study from your link carmen talks about women who already carry the gene mutation which dramatically increases thier risk of breast cancer anyway .
The problem for me with posts such as this ,is what do you say to the women or child who develops cancer regardless ?

When it's said that 'smoking causes cancer' and someone comes along and says;
'well I don't smoke but got cancer anyway'
OR
'Well my grandad smoke for 70 yrs before being knocked down by a truck'

Neither of those statements make a difference to me.
If someone thinks those statements invalidate 'smoking causes cancer' then that's because they don't understand statistics/advice being given out.

So I should be ashamed for what I'm saying (regardless if it's true) because I risk making bottle feeders feel bad?
Is that the message here?

I have a 4 month old baby & nowhere in any of the info I was given does it say that FF causes cancer. Yes BF is obv best but there are lots of reasons why people don't BF. There's a huge jump between the possibility of BF reducing the risk of certain illnesses & the assumption that FF causes these illnesses. Anyone suggesting they are correct because they Googled something is obviously an idiot.

Mumoftwoboys - it's one of the nastiest thread titles I've seen on mumsnet. It has nothing to do with stating facts. If you had any decency you'd ask for it to be deleted.