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Haiti - F*****g Nestle is at it already.

439 replies

foxytocin · 17/01/2010 18:01

here now what can I do about it?

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stepaway · 22/01/2010 09:57

doh, I've come back to this thread. What a fool! I feel REALLY insulted by the implication that just because I may not believe with someone else's OPINION, that this must be because:

  1. I haven't read the thread OR
  2. I don't understand the thread OR
  3. I don't have an understanding of key and very basic issues affecting developing countries

Really, hand on heart, none of the above are true. I just happen to disagree with the opinions and conjecture of other posters. Some of the stuff here is so sanctimonious and smug.

LittleMrsHappy · 22/01/2010 10:06

BC if that comment was aimed at me, then I have nothing to be ashamed off for the "debate" I have in my childish behaviour however, (although I do agree with what I have said) but when you try and give other points of views and continually go against a brick wall with one track minds, well the debate gets tedious! and when you are getting told to "read the thread" and "you clearly dont know much about this "event" (because clearly is a "event" )and then continually coming up against sly digs and then being told you said things you did not, it becomes infuriating, that people ont open their mind to ALL possibilities and angles, instead of thinking their opinion is correct and eceyone else can GTF!

I have made very good points to this thread, that I dont think water purification can purify water when its diseased water, rubble, dirt, and everyday contamination, I just dont think purification tablets can be safe when regarding at the above, and I can find nothing on the net about deceased bodies/purification tablets = safe water.

I also dont think removing labels is even thinkable when the world has faced such extreme catastrophe , bigger and much more relevent things to done first, its completely irrelevant and unneeded. and then their is the wet nursing and re-lactating babies when the person is HIV/AIDS.

All points that I myself contributed to this thread, but still I was faced with the wall! and "read the thread" [buscuit]

I dont owe tiktoc a apology, she has gave excellent advice and has been very formative with her knowledge.

paisleyleaf · 22/01/2010 10:09

The thread seemed to go off the rails and turn unpleasant almost right from the off around 7 o'clock sunday eve.
I guess the title didn't help either.
It's a shame because it could have been a more civilized discussion. We're all on the same side - we all want to help the people of Haiti.

tiktok · 22/01/2010 11:57

No apols needed for me - one poster (not LittleMrsH) accused me of crusading as if this was a UK-based bb/ff thing, which is offensive and unfair, but I have a tough skin and can take it

Beachcomber · 22/01/2010 12:02

I can't remember who has been rude and unpleasant to Tiktok and I'm certainly not going to go back up the thread to find out.

My comment was aimed at anyone who suggested that Tiktok had an agenda or was somehow 'using' human tragedy to score points. (sick face).

As said before on this thread, infant feeding in disaster zones isn't a matter of opinion or of agreeing and disagreeing or holding of any sort of political views.

It is a purely factual matter which has been examined and studied and the facts are perfectly clear and not open to interpretation.

This excellent link by policygarry puts it all very clearly.

Now if anyone thinks there are extremist nutters on here who wouldn't agree with a corporate donation, that could save lives, under any circumstances, you might as well accuse UNICEF of the same thing.

People don't have a problem with companies like Nestle because we're pissed off with them for changing the Kitkat wrapper.

We're pissed off with them because they have repeatedly flouted marketing regulations and distribution protocols which has in turn led to deaths in developing countries. Even worse they know perfectly well what the consequences of their actions are but don't care 'cos for them it's all about the bottom line.

I imagine there is more than one emergency worker who has tried to help babies who are sick and dying as a direct result of Nestle's actions in Africa for whom their current marketing exercise generosity would stick in the throat somewhat.

If Nestle or anyone else's donation can save lives though that is a good thing but it doesn't suddenly turn them into good guys.

Beachcomber · 22/01/2010 12:45

Also the link reposted (originally posted by policygarry) above states clearly that both individuals and corporations should donate money not goods if they want to help.

StealthPolarBear · 22/01/2010 13:12

It was me who said something along the lines of ffs do people want babies to die

because there asre plenty of people who are at relactation and supporting bfing and are saying formula would be better, easier, quicker.

But it really will kill more babies than the other option.

Which is why I was getting frustrated.

LittleMrsHappy · 22/01/2010 13:21

Who was saying that SPB? I did not see that, just people saying that until re-lactation and wet nursing was accomplished then BF was needed until then.

Everybody supports BF in this thread, so ALL supported bfing.

Ive been wondering who will be in control of the money? to recover and reconstruct Haiti, with it be government (western way of thinking here) or the AIDS/companies etc...

Im just hoping the money goes to ALL Haiti people and not just the rich for recover and reconstruction and it be distributed equally and fairly?

StealthPolarBear · 22/01/2010 13:32

I don't want to single out posts, but plenty of people came on to scoff at the thought of supporting bf (esp relactation, and it wouldn't have to involve relactation in all cases).
Someone said if the children might die anyway why debate what they get - because WHAT they get will cause fewer of them to die, surely!!
I have looked through thread again but don't want to start fights by singling out specific posts.

LittleMrsHappy · 22/01/2010 13:34

No I remember now, I also didn't want to go trawling back, their was a few posts, but I ignored them lol x

slim22 · 22/01/2010 16:58

that had to be me.

spb. we all, agree on what's the right thing to do here: following the protocols.
Only you are still being too childish to acknowledge that what I meant was that disputing that formula was needed as an accessory to any carefully managed protocol is out of line in in situation as dire as this one.

can't believe am back on this thread. but such arrogance and misinterpretation just beggars belief.

LadyThompson · 22/01/2010 21:03

Beachcomber, I have been out today but did want to pop back briefly to answer your point, in case you thought I was ignoring it. Actually, what I said was, if you look, that I hoped someone could just reassure me that that wasn't the case (ie that Nestle donations weren't wanted full stop) as it SEEMED to me (from my overall impression of the thread over a few days) that that could be what some people were thinking. That was all. I'm not accusing anyone. It was an overarching impression, such as one gets when one reads a long thread.

ANYWAY - everyone hopes that the protocols will be followed and that all/any aid reaches the right people and I am sure we agree on lots of other things as well.

I was finding this thread very depressing yesterday but when you think about it, I guess the reason everyone gets so exercised is that we all feel rather impotent about the ghastly situation those people are in so things get overheated.

Beachcomber · 22/01/2010 21:33

Ok, LadyThompson, fair enough.

I agree very much with your sentiment about feeling impotent/things getting heated.

Thanks for taking the time to respond .

mumblecrumble · 22/01/2010 21:46

Can I ship my boobs out to HAiti?

My hubby suggested I could take a cushion to lie on and just be like a big sow feeding all the babies...

Wish i could. Do folks working in charities ever wet nurse?

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