Haiti - F*****g Nestle is at it already.

[foxytocin]

here now what can I do about it?

pathetic, but Im dyslexic in my English writing skills, have already said this, and I make no attempt to cover this up, I can admit this! but then again I wasn't being pedantic about my learning disability. I was being pedantic about your continual C&P and passing it off as your own work!

Shame you dont have a reason about this!

This is going round and round in circles, but Im sure you will want the last word.

no. that wasn't a mistake down to dyslexia. it was a grammatical one. you have made exactly the same grammatical mistake at least once more further down.

take care love.

i was under the impression that the formula they were sending was pre-mixed and so the dirty water thing wasn't an issue.

I may be wrong though
and I still hate nestle they are wankers

countess dracula even if it is premixed clean water is still needed to clean the bottles, and sterilize them.

LittleMrsH: no one thinks foxy was plagiarising and passing off work as her own. FGS. Her quotes, her refs, and her C&P were perfectly clear.

Just in case you were wondering, foxy!

Pre-mixed formula is not a great deal better than powder - see upthread for discussion on this.

Wrong!

C and P from the dyslexia guidelines website and also ucl.ac.uk/disability

Students with dyslexia typically cannot produce written work as quickly as other students; they are likely to make more spelling errors even in word-processed work; their punctuation and grammar may be weak and they often omit, repeat or insert small function words or word endings.

They typically find it very difficult to proof read and edit their work, so they may submit assignments which look as if they have not been checked for inaccuracies. As a result of weakness in working memory they may have difficulty transcribing or copying, resulting in inaccuracy, which when numbers are involved may have serious implications.

You really do have to know what you are talking about before you try and belittle people.

hth!

could they not be sent those pre-sterilised one use bottles with it ffs?

christ on a bike
can you not see how pathetic your petty arguing is when faced all this stuff going on?

You sound like a pair of 8 yos

Countessdracula - there are problems transporting materials eg; presterilised bottles.

No one is saying formula milk is not needed but there are logistical and practical problems associated with formula milk in these conditions and those problems are very hard to overcome.

I am still struggling to find anywhere that even says nestle are sending formula in the first place...

Please someone tell me where it says that. It does not say it on their website, which is where I have been sent twice.

Agree CD, very immature, but when you have someone trying to belittle you at every opportunity, you just dont sit back and take it do you.

Very immature of us so will we just leave it now? or are you still going to try and score points!

As has been pointed out above, if the median length of bf in Haiti is 6 weeks (according to the World Health Organisation), plenty of babies will have already been on formula. Ergo, formula is needed.

Ach, I was going to hide this thread...

ISNT, Ive just noticed on the link by the OP, it says

www.nestle.com/MediaCenter/NewsandFeatures/AllNewsFeatures/Haiti.htm

Products including Supligen, a liquid meal supplement, and milk were earmarked for supply to support the disaster relief efforts and communities affected by the earthquake

LadyThompson, The 6 week thing, refered to the length of exclusive breastfeeding. The babies will then have juices etc added to their mainly breastfed diet, not formula.

LadyT: get your facts right please. Exclusive bf is stated as 6 weeks in Haiti. Exclusive bf is rare anywhere in the world - 6 weeks exclusive is actually quite long by international standards. This does not mean they were having formula alongside formula - they may have been having ordinary cows milk, family foods, whatever. They will have been predominantly bf, almost certainly, and this predominant bf is likely to continue into toddlerhood at least, if Haiti is like other developing countries.

It is a breastfeeding culture and indiscriminate distribition of formula can damage this and make babies sick and at risk of death.

I don't understand your stance, to be honest.

WEhen I said "This does not mean they were having formula alongside formula " I meant 'formula alongside breastfeeding', sorry.

Oops, yes, BE, you are correct - sorry. 6 weeks exclusive breastfeeding and up to 18 months of non-exclusive bf, is the average.

However...I would like to know how you have such in depth knowledge of feeding routines in Haiti pre-disaster that you are certain that most mothers supplement bf with juice after 6 weeks and not formula. You may be an aid worker with prior experience of that particular country, in which case I stand corrected.

There is a lot of supposition on this thread. I haven't got a clue about the feeding details of babies in Haiti, other than from sources such as WHO. But I admit it.

Whatever is the quickest way of getting nutrition into babies mouths for now - I am for that. In the immediate situation, that may very well be formula.

thanks for the reassurance, TT. I never doubted my posts were unclear. I think LMH knows less about referencing information than she is willing to admit.

LMH: as to your description of dyslexia from below i would be willing ot hazard a guess that 90% of hte UK population is dyslexic.

but like you say, it is time to end this silliness. have a good afternoon.

Thank you littlemrshappy I couldn't see it for trying!

LittleMrsHappy
Milk doesn't mean formula...

It could equally mean adult long-life cows milk...

Foxy you just get ruder by the min, tbh, as dyslexia is no laughing matter!

But Yes it is time to end this, I will ignore the 1st comment, BUT I have proven that ignorance is bliss by yourself!

LadyT I wouldn't try to "debate" here quite frankly some people cannot, as its their way of thinking or none at all.

Good day!

Sparechange, its the only thing I can find in ALL of the searches that I have made to see if nestle has donated formula milk x

and to try and understand the tangent on here lol x

LadyThompson,

This is one of the things I have learnt whilst reading this thread. The juice thing came from when Foxytocin posted at Wed 20-Jan-10 01:40:06
"yes, the 1.5 mo of exclusive bfing relates to babies being given teas, juice and mush."

If you ask Foxy nicely, I'm sure she'll tell you were she got this fact from.

I very nearly share your last comment, however I need to amend my version very slightly.

Whatever is the quickest safest way of getting nutrition into babies mouths for now - I am for that. In the immediate situation, that may very well be formula.

LadyT, in the Caribbean as a whole I can tell you from personal experience that bf continues into toddlerhood and it is not unusual. they will supplement with juices and (herbal) teas from quite early. I grew up in the Caribbean and have a mixed American Indian heritage so I have my feet inside several cultures so to speak.

In Maya culture for example, they will supplement quite early with 'pozole' which is a maize porridge. (yummy)

UNICEF say 41 per cent of babies under 6 mths are excl bf....it's clearly a bf culture.

www.unicef.org/infobycountry/haiti_statistics.html

LadyT: there is a lot of literature about what babies consume in developing countries. It's a major concern and there is quite a lot of research about it. The WHO is a good source, but of course you have to read knowedlegably and know that the difference between 'breastfeeding' and 'exclusive breastfeeding' is important.

Formula is used in Haiti, and it is used alongside predominant bf, but it is only one of many things babies might get if not excl bf. This is not a good thing. There are many infant nutrition programmes round the world which try to ensure mothers excl bf for longer.