if breast is best, then logically, bottle is second best?

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HMB - I would have laughed at this 1yr ago when DS2 was 6 months old.

Too right RTK - actually there will probably be a breastfeding backlash because our breastmilk is so full of toxins and crap from chemicals and pesticides. They will probably berate us for stuffing them with toxins.

dinny, as i said, and others have also said, it is onlymeant to be lighthearted relief. its not meant to hurt anyone.
if it does, then please accept my apologies.

HMB - or how about a "Natural delivery is best, therefore assisted delivery is second best" thread. Those who were lucky enough to have natural deliveries could titter amongst themselves [angry}.

because there's NOTHING wrong with 2nd best - if it was 10th best it would be a different story - she was simply point out that "Breast is Best" (as WHO, NCT, MW's etc etc ALWAYS tell us) so therefore Bottlefeeding is 2nd best - and there's nowt wrong with that!

"And I think it is other mothers and NCT and WHO
who put so much pressure on others to breast feed that they are the problem IMHO"

I just think that is one of the daftest things I have read. Sorry, but I never went near the NCT, I never read any WHO literature and no mother ever put any pressure on me to bf. I wanted to. And the only problems I had, were that there were not enough medical professionals who understood how to support me and ensure that I could do it properly without stress.

It totally pisses me off that people trivialise this and make it into a trivial question of women bitching at each other, when in fact it's a serious issue of public health and NHS spending priorities.

Surely it is the pressure from others that is the problem

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No kanga, it is lack of support from society and medical professionals.

I repeat, nobody has ever pressurised me to bf. All the pressure I got, from midwives, HV's etc., was to bottle feed.

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IIIIII CHHHOSSSE SSSECONNND BEEEESSSST!

Yes! I did! My son has never had a drop of breastmilk, mine or anyone elses, in his life, and I didn't even try!!! I did it on purpose!!!!

whoooo-ha-ha-haaaaaa!

No what I meant was the feeling of failure is made worse by others

Looking down on you if you bottle feed

That is what I meant

I've never come across anyone who looked down on me for bottle feeding. Or if I have, I didn't notice!

Hey I breast and bottle fed, I had a 'failed' natural delievery. I had a failed pg. A prem baby at 27 weeks, so I think I am allowed to laugh about it. Formula is amazing stuff, it was incredible what babies used to be fed. Thank god for the stuff as I couldn't feed dd1, couldn't express enough milk and she was fed by various forms of formula/drugs etc.

Please lighten up.

breasdfeeding is a very persoonal thing. and i dont think it can be suppoorted along in the usual tickbox fashion of the support services.

with ds1 the best help i had was from the hospital cleaner, an older compassionate woman who was actually worried about getting into trouble. if it wasnt for her, ds would have been exclusively bottlefed. allt he health professionals and even my mom just insisted on giving him a bottle to prevent him starving and me stressing. which was causing my pre eclampsia bloodprressure to stay high.

with ds2 and dd, i was much stronger in myself, and mom helped, and the health professionals realised i wasnt going to let them near my baby with a bottle so they didnt insist. but everytime anyone talks about the nhs and spending priorites etc, i think about the hospital cleaner. i wish i knew her name, so could thank her properly.

well spod if that's how you wish to interpret it - so if you child comes home from school saying "I was 2nd best at reading/jumping/swimming/whatever/ today" are you going to tell that it's not good enough???

And I think women who suspect other women of "looking down" on them, are possibly slightly paranoid. When my babies were tiny, I was so wrapped up in them, I didn't notice what other women were doing with theirs. If they'd swung them round above their heads, I might have noticed and looked askance, but honestly, concentrating on a new baby, my first was so new and novel and life-changing and my second was so fraught with trying to look after the first at the same time, that nothing any other mother did was noticed by me, and what they may have thought about how I did things simply didn't even enter my head. Who on earth has time to look down their nose at anyone when they have a new baby?

oohh, i remeber asking for help freastfeeding ds1, and this gorgeous muscled hunk of a man, a male midwife came along.... droool,
had to send him away as am much to sexist to let him help me stuff my naked breast into a babies mouth

I did

And that is what I meant

Until I go into all the ins and outs of DT birth and DT1 dying and DT2 {DS} being feed with IV fluids, tube feeding ebm etc etc etc

They then understood what I meant and were then not so critical or were just ashamed not sure which

So anyway that is what I mean by pressure from others

When not breast feeding

I never read anything from WHO either

I WANTED TO BREAST FEED BUT COULDN'T

Exactly my point stitch - it's outrageous that the only person in the building who knew how to help you was a non-professional.

My best help in the hospital with my first was an Irish midwife who said to me that she'd like to help but didn't know much about it, and I'd be best off seeing the BF counsellor. Best bit of advice I got - and a MW who actually knew she didn't know how to help, God bless her, so didn't sabotage me.

You may want to say I was pananoid

But I think being in a complete emotional wreck was closer TO THE TRUTH

And then to be classed as a failure by others

JUST BECAUSE DS was drinking milk from a bottle

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ooo - just thought - hope none of you have looked at my 'bad picture' thread - I'm holding DS2 while he drinks his bottle

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well there's lots of things we've done for our children which looked on from the 'outside' people may say were "2nd best" - but you know what???? It doesn't matter - because 2nd best is still better than nothing!