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GMTV about to present findings of their breast vs bottle survey..... 8.55

338 replies

Jackstini · 10/02/2009 08:54

Article here... www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=33217

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StealthPolarBear · 10/02/2009 18:08

oh sorry I thought you meant the other way round.
Maybe there's a spectrum - newborn not icky at all. 4 months, still fine. 7 months, hmmm. 10 months getting ickier. 13 months uuuuuuuuuuuuurgh. After all I can't imagine this idiot encouraging someone to bf their 10 or 11 month old, can you?

tiktok · 10/02/2009 18:11

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tiktok · 10/02/2009 18:13

And wannabe, you say "Most likely research is ongoing to try to make formula milk as close to breastmilk as possible".

Most likely? Really? How do you know?

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits · 10/02/2009 18:31

"It can be to avoid renewing sexual relations with their partners"

Aren't you allowed to have sex whilst breastfeeding?

*wanders off to tell DH he's out of luck for the next few months.

Peachy · 10/02/2009 18:33

Nope

and the fact that he is advising a woman who is PG and BF is simply evidence of the immaculate conception. FFS

moondog · 10/02/2009 18:33

The meeja full of bog standard GPs who purport to be experts on all sorts of stuff.

Who is that numpty on Jeremy Vine?
Sarah something.

One week she holds forth on bunions, the next is world expert on stroke and the week after knows all there is to know about breastfeeding.

Pap for the masses.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 10/02/2009 18:41

Could we please nail a myth?

The b/fing benefits are not just directed at the developing world.

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits · 10/02/2009 18:48

Peachy "nope"
Excellent as I think my headache excuse was wearing thin.....

wannaBe · 10/02/2009 18:56

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moondog · 10/02/2009 18:57

Wannabe,you have descended into foolishness.
I feel embarassed for you.

raisingrrrl · 10/02/2009 18:57

Direct your ire, ladies

lisaofpalatine · 10/02/2009 19:07

By LackaDAISYcal on Tue 10-Feb-09 16:14:29
"lisaofpalentine, what a witty and erudite addition to the debate "

hiya daisy, wow thats a bit rude for you - you are usually quite fair.

I thought my comments were fine, but if there is something that doesn't sit well with you, then please let my have my chance to explain.

otherwise than that i think that they were taken in the good (yet flip) humour in which they were meant.

Palatine

StealthPolarBear · 10/02/2009 19:46

How has this thread got so nasty?
How has some idiot calling himself Doctor appearing on GMTV turned into the usual bf/ff mudslinging?

christiana · 10/02/2009 19:55

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MamacitaGordita · 10/02/2009 19:59

Yes it has got a bit heavy on here!

ilovemydogandMrObama I'm with you on the developing world thing! There's a quote from hunkermunker on MN pointing out that gut maturity isn't geographical!

GreenMonkies · 10/02/2009 20:16

Gosh, how odd, they didn't ask me to pop down and discuss this with my good buddy Dr H.......

LackaDAISYcal · 10/02/2009 20:20

I try to be fair lisaofpalatine. I guess we all have our off days when we are fed up being castigated as a formula basher/insensitive cow when we try our best to be fair and nice.

"its like some kind of uber mother shit " oooh look i breastfed eva until she was 4"

yeah...and waddyawant a medal"

all a bit snippy and unneccesary imvho and intended to wind people, especially extended BFs, up.

ah well.

AitchTwoOh · 10/02/2009 20:22

wannabe, it is very sad when bfing doesn't work out, i know from experience. with the best will in the world, you do sound like you still have some unresolved issues regarding it.

AitchTwoOh · 10/02/2009 20:25

more or less i think the piece was better than i'd expect from them, tbh. agree that it was very interesting about friends and family influence, that's the key thing for me, i think. they should scrap these poster campaigns and hectoring midwives (although the people i met were the opposite tbh) and concentrate on supporting the women who want to do it. then in a decade's time, you'll have so many more people available to subconsciously influence others.

and i ff'd dd1 and am now ff'ing dd2. it's second-best, no doubt about it. one whiff of the nappies will tell you that.

NinkySWALK · 10/02/2009 20:41

Solely for the mother's benefit? Is he still spouting this shite?

I am going to email Dr Hillary Bouffant and ask him to distract 20 month old DS from the bizarre and weird practice of BF while I have that six-hour sleep which has thus far eluded me.

Then I'll tell him to pierce his nips with needles in one place over and over to simulate the teething effect. Continually for 5-15 minutes every few hours throughout the night.

Greenmonkies I remember your encounter with him and his bolleaux about BF women trying to avoid intimacy with their husbands. Feeding a toddler and quite pregnant weren't you?

chillybangbang · 10/02/2009 20:53

"I don't think anything wrong with EBF at all, just think that you shouldn't think that those who don't are somehow going to be immuni-logically (what on earth is the word?!) challenged... the differences in this country will be very minimal".

I'm not sure about the value of the immunological benefits of bf for older babies, but it's definitely the case that in developing countries children might not have such good access to other high protein foods so breastmilk is going to form an important part of their diet up to and beyond the age of two.

Children in the UK have loads of other sources of protein.

On the other hand we do have an epidemic of obesity in the UK - there's mounting evidence that long term breastfeeding helps protect children from this. There's also some interesting evidence that breastfed children may have better mental health in later childhood - another thing that could be relevant as there are very high levels of depression and childhood mental health problems in the UK. here

In other words, there may be less obvious benefits attached to extended bf in Western countries that are different to the benefits experienced by babies in developing countries.

Re: Dr Hilary. I honestly think someone should approach the GMC and make a complaint about him. Doctors are supposed to give evidence based advice and information. He talks utter bollocks on breastfeeding and someone needs to stop him.

i think EBF should benefit both mther and child and if mother really feels she doesn't want to but feels she ahs to for her child then perhaps she's been slightly misled as vi
]to how beneficial it actually is?

GreenMonkies · 10/02/2009 21:16

"Greenmonkies I remember your encounter with him and his bolleaux about BF women trying to avoid intimacy with their husbands. Feeding a toddler and quite pregnant weren't you?"

Not quite, I was (and still am ) tandem feeding my girls, then aged 4½ and 19 months, now aged 5½ and just over 2½!!!

NinkySWALK · 10/02/2009 21:26

Gah! You did look all lovely and svelte and I said I thought you were, "quite pregnant" I didn't mean heavily, just the way lithe and slender women carry babies at 3 months or so?

So he had to eat his words about feeding your first DD and "intimacy" else your second DD wouldn't be here? That's the point I was trying to make.

He does need reporting to the GMC though.

tiktok · 10/02/2009 22:44

No, wannabe, I searched the archives because I suspected you could accuse me of saying this, and I know I didn't...and wanted to be clear I could not have been interpreted as saying it

And I am not saying research is not going on - because I dont know, and neither do you!

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 11/02/2009 00:33

ilovemydogandMrObama it?s ok he?s only 11 months!

I love the suggestion that Western babies are far superior than those in the Developing World I know that some people see parenting as a sport but that?s going too far!

Wannabe, it does happen that women don?t have any milk at all, but so many women say it that people become sceptical because it?s so incredibly rare that not everyone who uses that can genuinely not have enough milk. It?s not personal.

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits I?ve just had a baby without any sex at all, I don?t know how my other half has managed for the last 2 ½ years I?ve been nursing our eldest daughter!

christiana I don?t know, I guess you?re more likely to die of cancer in the West than the developing world because we are likely to live longer so the benefits of lowering the risk of cancer are more relevant to us. Plus there's obesity which is more a problem here than for starving Africans.