GMTV about to present findings of their breast vs bottle survey..... 8.55

[Jackstini]

Article here... www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=33217

christiana breastfeeding isn't the alternative to cows milk where pasteurisation facilities aren't available, it's the biological norm.

WHO tends to give the most accurate advice relating to health though.
BF guidelines don't just apply to the developing world.
I agree there's no need to feel guilty if you don't want to bf past one year but there's also no need to feel slightly sexually perverse and generally disapproved of if you do either!

whilst I'd agree with what others have said on here about ff, dr hilary jones is a twunt...

see here for some more on the righteous dr jones - I think his wife was heavily pregnant when dr jones did his own ver

it its all the same I'll wait to the real doctor is here dr jones

Dr Hillary Jones is a first class Twunt. Here he is in action with the lovely Greenmonkies and coming out looking rather like a .... Twunt.

And NO. Formula is not 'much closer to the real thing' like he suggested. Formula's formulation is hardly different from what it was in the 1950's even though they like to tout it as something scientifically better and better every time they change the label on the tin or put in another largely unproven 'health' additive.

Formulae are closer to each other than any of them are to breast milk.

So even though he didn't say 'it mirrors breastmilk' he is very wrong.

"wannaBe there is loads of support for women who have had issues BFing on here. I have never seen anyone flamed for not being able to." Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean that it isn't there.

I have been on numerous threads where women have been shot down in flames for their views on bottle feeding. Where women who do not breastfeed have been branded selfish, I have even seen a post where someone said that giving a baby formula was tantamount to child abuce. And as I said, I was told by someone who is very well known and well respected on mn for the help they have given to women with bf issues that women not producing milk is simply unheard of and that if only I'd had support I would have been able to breastfeed my child. breastfeed him with what exactly? given that once the collostrum disappeared the milk never came to replace it - and I mean no milk what so ever, not a drop. But of course because she's read the literature I must be in the wrong as I only actually experienced the problem.

I honestly believe that there are women on mn who believe formula should be banned bar in the case of medical necessity and should then be available on prescription only.

Wannabe this isn't an argument about FF v BF. If you wanted or needed to FF that is your business.

My issue is with a doctor, in the media eye who commands attention for his views spouting such ill -informed rubbish, which will invariably influence people. I honestly think that this is as bad as the doctor who cooked his research about MMR.

As for the who guidelines, of course they are taylored more to developing countries where there is far less nutritional benefit in the food available to babies, and therefore babies have to rely more on breastmilk to give them added nutritio
Babies in this country who are not bf past six months do not suffer as a result. It is of course up to the individual if they choose to bf past a year but there certainly shouldn't be the kind of pressure to do so that there is for women to bf newborns.

wannabe agree... I was naive surprised to find the lack of help and finger pointing when I had trouble despite doing nct clases, being on here etc..

Actually, babies in the UK are at risk if not bf after 6 months. They will as a population suffer higher rates of illness. There is plenty of evidence of this. Bf past 6/12 months is not just a 'developing country' issue. True, it may be even more crucial where food is scare and water contaminated, but babies and toddlers immune systems are fundamentally the same no matter where they live, and none is fully developed until around the age of 6 years. Toddlers the world over benefit from the immunity that they get from their mothers' milk, and that is only one of the benefits.

In entering into this discussion I am not saying anything at all about mothers who find themselves unable to breastfeed or choose to formula feed.

"Wannabe this isn't an argument about FF v BF" actually, the artacle was about ff ve bf. It is others later down the thread who have turned it into a witchunt against HJ for daring to have an opinion that isn't all about breastfeeding for as late as possible.

And comparing an opinion on breastfeeding to an issue such as mmr, which many still believe has led to the regression of their now severely disabled children is absolute bollocks.

We should not blindly believe everything we read and dismiss every opinion that doesn't tally with our own.

No, there shouldn't be pressure on mother's to continue BF to any point wannabe.

And nor should a doctor with a significant media presence spout off that "extended" BFing is bizarre, unnatural, unnecessary and solely for the mother's benefit.

Wannabe I think you obviously have huge issues with your inability to BF and that is very sad.

That doesn't alter the fact that Dr Jones' advice is erroneous and in my view, negligent.

noneed tobreastfeed past a year - ithink he is right

its like some kind of uber mother shit " oooh look i breastfed eva until she was 4"

yeah...and waddyawant a medal

isn't it more worrying (and sad) the amount of people who will listen to someone like dr hilary jones? I might be giggling here about him being a twunt but gmtv is watched by a lot of people and they presumably have the idiot on as they think people listen to him

marla to be fair I think lots of people thought he was a twunt before this

lol lisa
so what if there's no need? Does that make it wrong? Is there any need to give children orange juice? Broccoli? (never can spell that!)

Absolutely lisa. I suggested this on a WOHM v SAHM thread, Order of Motherhood, 1st class.

I want extra braid for co-sleeping too.

or cows' milk for that matter. No need.

Can I have one for always dressing DS in perfectly coordinated outfits with matching accessories?

i see your 'so what if there is no need' argument and have pondered on it.
iwould like to raise you a 'its completely uber mother shite for ponces'

actually gm I don't. In fact I stopped trying to bf without any guilt at all because I knew I was doing the best for my baby.

It was only when i joined mn three years later that I came up against this whole need to feel guilt over not being able to bf/that inability to breastfeed is always someone else's fault/that the inability to breastfeed doesn't actually exist attitude.
But the pro breastfeed-at-all-costs people are so caught up in their views of what they believe to be right, that they fail to see that with every negative comment against bottle feeding, with every putdown of formula, they are judging a whole nation of people who have had no choice but to give their babies formula.

There is being pro breastfeeding and offering support when it is needed, and then there is preaching. Some people seem to be unable to tell the difference.

lol
well that's not really an argument I'm going to get into!