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GMTV about to present findings of their breast vs bottle survey..... 8.55

338 replies

Jackstini · 10/02/2009 08:54

Article here... www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=33217

OP posts:
hercules1 · 22/02/2009 16:01

I guess it might help you if you stopped calling it "extended" when in fact it is natural term breastfeeding. You in fact practised curtailed breastfeeding.

PuzzleRocks · 22/02/2009 16:02

Yes, it was a comfort for her Jemart, perhaps that was the need she was conveying.

GreenMonkies · 22/02/2009 16:02

Jemart, what other "comforters" did you consider your baby didn't need? Cuddling? Hand holding? Picking her up when she cried? I mean, she doesn't actually need those things either, does she??

I think you have ishoos. 10 months is still very much a baby, and as such in no way too old to be nursed.

[shakes head sadly]

hercules1 · 22/02/2009 16:04

You still havent explained how it is weird, bizarre and odd. It is not being attacked to ask why you think this of people who breastfed for longer than you did. I have not insulted you at all yet you have said all of these things about me. Thankfully I'm not easily offended!

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:08

Tink, chucking soundbites at me out of their original context is a poor way to put your point across.

I have not used abusive or offensive language, none of the words tiktok has been doggedly waving at me are swear words.

If your daughter is chronic brittle asthmatic
this would make her an exception, clearly most children are not afflicted by the same condition.

hobnob57 · 22/02/2009 16:12

Flip, what a can of worms this has turned out to be! I haven't read it all, but here's my tuppenceworth (I warn you, I'm struggling to be coherent here):

BF changed all my ideas about the society we live in. The experience of being able to produce milk which nourished a child and allowed it to grow and remain healthy was immense. I thought a lot about out marketing-led culture, and how we seem pathologically driven to buy things (and by this I'm not limiting my argument to food) which are man-made though extensive industrial processes with no thought for health, nutrition or indeed environmental impact. And yet, here I was able to simply produce the perfect food for my child myself.

My BF experience wasn't uncomplicated or unstressful (it took 5 months of colic and reflux to work out that DD was reacting to dairy and gluten in my milk) and it was these factors which led me to decided to give up at 13 months - purely selfish reasons in the end (I wanted cake and chocolate at christmas!). Perhaps if there was more support and a better cultural ethos, I would have lasted longer. But at that point I began to think that the sacrifice I was making in terms of diet, discomfort, reduced libido, manky bras, was greater than DD was benefiting. Like I said, purely selfish. Then she got every bug going for the next 3 months...

However, returning to the social argument here, my experience has led me to feel that culturally in this country we have lost the ability to think rationally about what is good for us and our children. All of the good, wholesome ideals such as BF, home-cooked fresh food, tight-knit family units including extended family, community spirit and involvement, environmental impact awareness, etc. have been progressively marginalised over the decades by work pressures, financial pressures, better standards of living for most, an explosion in manufacturing and marketing of novel and convenient products, etc. to the point where those that strive to buck the trend are seen as odd or somewhat unreasonable. DD's grandmother seems hell-bent on filling her with novelty foods and snacks which are appealing solely due to their marketing and packaging, not their extensive ingredients lists full of unnecessary bulking agents, disguised sugars, artificial additives, etc. When I was still BF at 12 months, or when I challenge her on what she is feeding my daughter I am met with a look which tells me I am the one being unnecessarily precious.

I know I'm making sweeping generalisations here, and I seem to have lost my own thread, but perhaps what I'm trying to get at is that if we had a cultural focus in this country on filling our bodies and our children's bodies with unadulterated nourishment, then BF past one wouldn't be such an issue. Dr Hilary Jones' argument was one borne of our current selfish attitudes and obsession with convenience (of which I was guilty) and a product of our society's lack of focus on the holistic benefits of most good things. Not all things can be easily backed by scientific evidence, but I am willing to accept the experiences of the other countries who submitted the evidence that led to the W.H.O. issuing the recommendation to BF until 2. I definitely think the UK has lost the plot a long time ago on this one.

And I dwell on this every time I open a new tin of 'dairy-free', industrially manufactured, cow's milk based formula.....

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:13

Why am I not allowed to agree with the quote? why must I justify that?

I'm not asking for you to all agree as well, I already know that none of you do.

Wasn't aware I'd said anything specifically about you hercules1, certainly had not intended any personal attack on anyone. except maybe tiktok for nit picking

tiktok · 22/02/2009 16:13

No one has accused you of swearing, jemart, or of being abusive. People might genuinely feel a tad insulted or offended at you telling them you think their choice is 'odd', 'bizarre' and that you are 'opposed to it'....

Here's a hint: you can get out of the corner you have painted yourself in by saying something like:

'I didn't feel comfortable bf beyond 10 mths, but to feel differently is not 'odd' and I am not opposed to people doing something different. I am happy that people feel comfortable with their choices, just as I am comfortable with mine.'

Now if you can say that, I reckon we'll all be happy

And if you can't say that, then it's reasonable to ask why.

SoupDragon · 22/02/2009 16:14

?Unless of course contraception is your main motivation?

If contraception is your main motivation, you are likely to end up with several surprise siblings for your baby.

PuzzleRocks · 22/02/2009 16:16

I thought it was a great post hobnob.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:17

hobnob makes a good point, re grandparents.
I too battle against biscuits and other junk from that quarter.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:20

very well tiktok - 'I didn't feel comfortable bf beyond 10 mths, but to feel differently is not 'odd' and I am not opposed to people doing something different. I am happy that people feel comfortable with their choices, just as I am comfortable with mine.' I pray everyones pc sensibilities are now suitably mollified. And now lets all get on with our lives.

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 22/02/2009 16:21

Feel free to explain where I?m wrong or answer my questions. You might think I?ve taken things out of context but at least I?m responding to posts not reposting or avoiding.

You can be offensive without swearing. Which reminds me, can you please drop that awful ?nit picking? phrase? It?s horrible and racist.

WinkyWinkola · 22/02/2009 16:26

It's not PC to resent being called bizarre for breastfeeding my baby!

tiktok · 22/02/2009 16:26

Would have been lovely, jemart, but I do detect a teensy bit of sarcasm and insincerity, when you talk about people's 'pc sensibilities'.

You really, really don't get it, do you?

This has nothing to do with being 'pc'.

And I feel personally offended - without you swearing - at the idea that I and others are engaged with this issue just because of 'pc sensibilities'.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:30

Tired of the argument tiktok, sorry, did not mean to exude sarcasm at you.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:33

um tink, why is "nit picking" a horrid racist phrase? it was never meant that way?

hercules1 · 22/02/2009 16:38

Sigh - what has asking you to explain further why you find people who breastfeed longer than you weird, odd, bizarre considered to be pc? It's been a real struggle to have a reasoned discussion with you and that sort of comment doesnt help although I guess it's better than just repeating bits of someone elses quote.

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 22/02/2009 16:41

I'm sure it would make a long thread on it's own, along with "nitty gritty".

You're good at avoidance, aren't you? IRL and here.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:46

seriously tink, why is "nit picking" horrid and racist, I genuinely do not get what you are talking about.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:47

and I don't think I've ever met you IRL

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:53

hercules1, my apologies, as I said to tiktok,I am tired of the argument. I am also sorry that nobody will just agree a difference of opinion on the matter. Sorry if you took my comments personally, they were not aimed at you.

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 22/02/2009 16:54

I don't think this thread is the right place to explain it, isn't the fact you've been told it's offensive enough to leave it? But I guess calling us bizzare unusual and unnecessary isn't so I shouldn't expect you to drop that one either.

I never said we have met IRL, but you've said enough about it here to make one come to that conclusion.

SoupDragon · 22/02/2009 16:56

If I told you that the word "orange" is offensive would you just go "Oh, OK." and stop using it or would you ask why.

jemart · 22/02/2009 16:57

Sorry no its not enough, I'm not going to let you call me a racist for saying something innocuous. If it means something else to you please explain. I really truly do not get what you are talking about.

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