GMTV about to present findings of their breast vs bottle survey..... 8.55

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Article here... www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=33217

Well yes poppy, it is sad how many people watch GMTV. But they do, and they take ejits like DrHJ as an authority on the subjects on which he speaks. Why wouldn't they? That's why he's there after all.

If he isn't there as an authority, he's just a middle aged man in a shiny suit with a dodgy hairdo who thinks Bfing is a bit inferadig. So what? MN is full of threads about those and we all agree they are twunts.

pmsl SPB, good form!

Oh God, Wannabe, just let it go! I'm not judging anyone for FF! We are talking about an attack on BFing mothers here.

If you're not upset about it, good. I don't want you to be upset. Why would I?

Stop posting so aggressively if it's not an issue for you.

You're trying to get a FF v BF argument going (along with lisa there). If you think these arguments on MN are so terrible, why start another one?

My goodness I can't believe that 'bizarre' statement from a GP! Thank god GMTV follow his opinion (and it is an opinion, not fact, argh) with WHO, NCT and LLL stuff although it has a 'cover our backs' feel about it.

He's in a position of such power, a GP on such a widely viewed program- bit worrying he can get away with spouting his own thoughts rather than medical fact.

The WHO guidelines apply to both developed and developing countries, and of the massive studies they used to form their guidelines, 9 were from developing countries and 11 developed. Plus the 'developed/developing' label is a bit as well- it's a spectrum... sorry I'm waffling but what I mean is that this research is based on more than simply the availability of clean water.

and I think that to say there is no need to breastfeed past twelve months is relevant.

Because while for some it is something they wish to continue with, it is not essential.

Actually they're not tailored to third world countries but that is often touted about themm I know. My source for them not being is the UNICEF corse I was on, taught by two well known BF gurus.

It's not always that at all Lisa, my reasons for BF approaching (and will continue until self weaning) are that DS4 can't haev caseiin for intolerance reasons, can't have casein for ASD reasons (parallel to MMR but agree not the same- you can search allergy induced autism- but anyway) and I dfy anyone tor eally argue that over processed random plant derivatives in any way equate to breastmilk!

I do get cofort out of BF'ing my baby, in no way whatsoever is that a bad thing, it's nice cuddly time that we enjoy.

just watched teh clip...and surely when he says teh immuneystem is fully developed or some such tosh, in a Baby over a year...surely that is a lie in itself and I am pretty much sure it goes against the scientific findings...

BTW...there was a time when I thought Dr. Hilary was a woman, lol...

"it is sad how many people watch GMTV"

And that works on so many levels.

notcitrus, I'm pretty sure that if someone were to post "sorry it didn't work for you, I hope others get better help" I'm afraid that would come over to me worse than asking, perfectly nicely, whether they had had all the support they could get.

I can't speak for what you've seen on here WannaBe but can only say that I've not seen it. I've seen lots of support and patting on backs that they had managed X No of days, weeks, months etc and I've seen people report the statistic about it being very rare that a woman has no milk and is unable to BF. I can see why things like that might be taken to heart by someone who struggled to BF and didn't though. The only people who I've seen get it in the neck are those that say that formula is as good as breastmilk and refuse to concede the point that it quite clearly isn't and then start hurling accusations at anyone who disagrees with them.

Hilary Jones is still a twunt though.

'for BF approaching a year'

But wannabe he also called it bizarre and unusual.
Hardly the kind of thing you are attributing to him - what he is actually saying is don't do it, it's weird.
Unusual I don't really have a problem with as it probably is. Bizarre is a judgement.

I think my comparison with the MMR doctor may have been misunderstood.

Obviously I am not suggesting that there is an alleged link between FF and autism.

I am saying that what that doctor did with regard to falsifying his research was as unprofessional and negligent as Dr Hilary Jones' statements about breastfeeding.

lisaofpalentine, what a witty and erudite addition to the debate

"not essential" and "of no benefit" are two different arguments WannaBe. My beef is with his statement (and the general public's perception thanks to idiots like him) that it has no benefit beyond a year.

In fairness I have witnessed BF / FF pile ins also, and seena few friends upset by that.

However I am saddended that some poeple do (not Wannabe afaik) taint all BF types like myself with that label; I have ff'd in the past and know only too well that feeling of 'failure'; I d know also thogh that with proper support ( a BFI course for work) I learned how to modify the issues, so ds1 bf until 2 weeks massive weight loss; ds2 bf mixed utnil 4 months; ds3 BF mixed until 16 months; ds4 exclusive until weaning, only bf as milk now.

Certainly some women do have significant problems that prevent BF such as Wannabe, but that number is small.

Georgi don't go there LOL- whole lot of minefield as the MMR research wasn't shown to have been falsified as much as mis presented (much by the media)

but as it happens some people do find a casein free diet significantly helpful with regards to autism, and formula is not casein free, whereas a Mother on a casein free diet herself can BF a child who is intolerant.

mmr research not quite as black and white as all that.

Can I ask though peachy, what is Casein? Or more to the point, what foods contain it?

'tailored more to developing nations?'

Casein is milk protein, a lot of people who think they are lactose intolerant are in fact casein intolerant: thats the CF in the CF / GF diets we almost all blab on about.

If I have casein I become extroadinarily removed from reality really, which is what some describe as allergy induced autism.

Casein in cows milk is subtly different t that ino other mammals such as goats, so many CF people can have that (not all).

oh I've seen pile-ins peachy, but they are usually kicked off when someone who has failed to BF or is totally against BFing calling anyone who supports it a BFing nazi.

Saying formula isn't as good as BM or that the formula companies have a vested interest in getting women to FF and they aren't making it out of the goodness of their hearts is not damning everyone who chooses to FF nor does it undermine FF (which is the norm in this country, not the exception) and if people are too sensitive to realise that then perhaps they should stay off this section of whatever parenting site they are on.

I FF my DS and I'm happy to admit that it isn't as good as BM; I don't feel victimised by my choice because I made that choice with the information available to me at the time and at a time when I was struggling pysically and emotionally. If I had been aware of the health risks though (my HV neglected to pass that information on to me), that may have helped me seek more help to continue BFing.

What puzzles me is that people think that giving cow's milk is nutritionally better for a child of over one year than the milk that nature intended for them? Surely it's a no brainer that human milk is meant for human babies and cow's milk is meant for cow's babies. Human children don't suddenly lose the need for their mother's milk at one year of age, any more than they lose the need for 20 fl ozs of formula, but guidelines for one year plus are for less than that.

anyhoo.....he's still a twunt.

Ah but it's not necessary Daisy. And it's icky.
Give me a nice clean cup of pasteurised cow milk any day.

And feck it, paracetamol's even closer to aspirin these days, they're both painkillers innit Dr H?

How can it be icky one day and the next they've passed a landmark sovits not?

sorry peachy?

well if its fine one day

the next theyre 12 months its icky? how does that work?

its not icky, itxs certainly not essential but I dont want to be looked at funny / called icky etc for doing something that I believe is best for my baby

I had no idea 'Doctor' Hilary was such a complete and utter arse. It's quite scarey really.