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Oxford leg of breastfeeding pinic - ruty,mrsbadger,wmmc,vacaloca,stellawasadiver,berolina,harpsi,practicallyperfect etc

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VictorianSqualor · 08/07/2008 12:44

I know there will be Oxford MNers I haven't mentioned, forgive me!
There is possibly going to be a breastfeeding picnic arranged for the Oxford area on July 21st.
Can you make it??

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unclefluffy · 15/07/2008 07:59

Sorry to dive in, but I'm a huge Evan Harris fan (used to live in Oxford). He's the MP for Oxford West and Abingdon and possibly the most right-on, liberal-minded, Liberal Democrat there is. He trained as a doctor (well, he's not perfect ) and is really very sound on health in general, and civil rights in particular, so this shold be right up his street. Recommend telling him the picnic ends earlier than it does, though - he's not the best time-keeper in the world!

MrsBadger · 15/07/2008 11:01

have we decided where in the Parks?

I know should be easy to spot you all but they are pretty big...

(am considering printing large stickers with the blue bf logo on and attaching to pushchair / self / dd)

VictorianSqualor · 15/07/2008 11:12

Not yet MrsB, I don't know the parks very well, do you have any suggestions as to whereabouts would be good?

Yorky, if you still haven't contacted EH let me know and I'll try to get hold of him later.

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Yorky · 15/07/2008 11:26

I haven't contacted EH yet,

There is a map of the parks on their website and there is a bit near the cricket pitch with a car park which is labelled disabled access so should be buggy friendly, unless anyone has any more clued up suggestions

MrsBadger · 15/07/2008 11:32

good plan Yorky
leftmost yellow 'P' bit ie just inside the Keble gates

VictorianSqualor · 15/07/2008 12:35

I've just emailed this to EH.

Dear Mr. Harris.
I am contacting you with regards to an event being held around the country next week.
Although I am not personally a constituent of yours the event will be attended by people from all over Oxfordshire including your constituency so I am inviting you to join us.

The main event is taking place in parliament square and many other events are taking part across the country to coincide with this. We are holding one in the University Parks, Oxford, by the Keble road entrance on Monday 21st July from 1pm.
The event is taking place alongside a petition to raise awareness and hopefully drum up support.

The Proposed Single Equality Act which aims to bring all forms of discrimination under one piece of legislation appears to contain the following
"For example, if a mother who was breastfeeding her baby in a cafe was asked to leave, she could bring a claim of direct sex discrimination against the proprietor, providing her baby is not older than 6 months."
We feel this is unacceptable ? the WHO guidelines recommend breastfeeding for at least 2 years. For the first year milk is a baby?s main form of nourishment.
What we need is equality with Scotland - "Make it an offence to prevent or stop a person in charge of a child who is otherwise permitted to be in a public place or licensed premises from feeding milk to that child in that place or on those premises."

I am aware that you signed the early motion for the Breastfeeding act etc in 2005 and as such was hoping that you would support us in both this event and this proposal.
I look forward to hearing from you soon and hope to hear that you are both able and willing to attend.

Yours Faithfully.........

Hopefully should get a reply in the next day or two, if not I'll call his office.

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Yorky · 15/07/2008 13:41

Mr Cameron will be unable to join us as it is a sitting day in parliament. Should I suggest he takes his packed lunch to parliament square?

VictorianSqualor · 15/07/2008 13:45

Yes!
I doubt he will, but you can try it!

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VictorianSqualor · 16/07/2008 10:54

DP ahs just called, the editor of the OxfordMail has said theyll let him know by later today if they're going to run an article on it, the article in dorset paper is by the same newsgroup as the oxfordmail so they think it's likely.

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Yorky · 16/07/2008 12:05

Thats great VS, have mentioned the London picnic to my mate Dave but not heard anything since, Monday all will be revealed!

Ready4anotherCoffee · 17/07/2008 01:21

you all have been busy!

Suggest Mr Cameron takes his strap on breasts too

VictorianSqualor · 18/07/2008 13:39

Everyone still coming?

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MrsBadger · 18/07/2008 13:59

oh yes - the weather even looks set to improve

Yorky · 18/07/2008 15:15

Thank goodness for that!

vacaloca · 18/07/2008 18:21

Yep, still on for it. Although I need to wait for someone who is supposedly coming to my house at 12pm. I hope he'll be on time otherwise I won't make it there by 1pm.

Ready4anotherCoffee · 18/07/2008 19:05

oh yes

VictorianSqualor · 18/07/2008 19:12

Don't worry vacaloca, we'll be there for a few hours.

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ruty · 19/07/2008 20:44

terribly sorry everybody, I've double booked myself. Don't suppose you'll still be there around 4 if i try to get there later? so sorry, wanted to see you all [and especially as Pruners is in town...how long are you here for Pruners?]

VictorianSqualor · 19/07/2008 21:24

We had said 1pm-3pm (well I had) but could make it 4pm, (again, well I could)
Although as I'm soooooooooooooo insecure I'm going to moan you only want to meet pruners.....

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ruty · 19/07/2008 21:49

only cos Pruners plays so hard to get Seriously though, don't want you to hang on for me in case i can't make it, so sorry, but i'll email you to se if you want to do an Oxford meetup another time...

MrsBadger · 19/07/2008 21:56

I have a bit of shopping to do in town, so I could always pop back for a 4pm reconvene after M&S...

Bbbee · 19/07/2008 22:10

have only just seen this - would like to meet up but will have no baby in tow as they have got all old. Will I look odd without a baby? I can bring a photo of me bfing!

VictorianSqualor · 19/07/2008 22:20

Pruners isn't bringing a baby, it's support we need, not just babies.

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VictorianSqualor · 20/07/2008 12:58

Ooops, asked for that post ot be deleted as it has my phone number on so here it is again, with no number..Doh!

I've sent this edited version of UD's press release to local papers and radio stations.

Anything else anyone can think of?

RE: Breastfeeding picnic, University Parks, keble road entrance, Oxford, 1pm-3pm, 21/07/2008
Photo and interview opportunity

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Yummy Mummies say 'Protect My Baby, Protect Me.?

A group of mums have got together to arrange a picnic for their babies in Parliament Square to raise awareness of the new breastfeeding legislation in the Single Equalities Bill. There will also be many other events around the country including one we are holding in University Parks, Oxford. They're also encouraging other mothers to come along to join in and breastfeed, so that the very best source of natural nourishment for babies is being placed firmly on the menu.

The event, dubbed ?Protect My Baby, Protect Me?, which is to be held at University Parks, Oxford, on the 21st July 2008, from midday onwards, hopes to raise awareness of breastfeeding issues and also be a show of solidarity for mums who want to breastfeed wherever their baby needs it without being made to feel ashamed or embarrassed.

Parliament Square Event organiser, Emily Pulling says, "This picnic is intended to be a gentle way to show support to anyone who breastfeeds and to make the Government aware that we are not happy about the 6 months? age limit being talked about in the Single Equalities Bill.

?At the moment, it is legal to breastfeed in public. Unfortunately, it is also legal for anybody to ask a nursing mother to move on (if they refuse, the police can be called), and red-faced and embarrassed mothers being thrown out of shops and cafes is something which has happened time and again.

?The UK Government, instead of giving us a law like Scotland?s, has given us nothing but chaos and farce, because although there was, apparently, a media briefing at Downing Street stating that the Bill would cover to protect breastfeeding mothers as long as their babies were six months old and under, there still is nothing in writing in the published versions of the proposed Bill.

?The exact wording of the Bill is not known, as there is still nothing in writing, but there is a reply to a question raised on the Downing Street petition site, that illuminates the thinking that clearly underpins the role of the Bill, and the intent on breastfeeding:

?For example, if a mother who was breastfeeding her baby in a cafe was asked to leave, she could bring a claim of direct sex discrimination against the proprietor, providing her baby is not older than 6 months."

?This is clearly a cack-handed attempt to shoehorn breastfeeding protection in under amendments to maternity rights in the Sex Discrimination Act via the Equalities Bill, and seems to be saying that a baby is protected and can legally nurse in public without fear of discrimination so long as the mother is protected under maternity rights.

?But if we just think about the logistics of it for a moment: A breastfeeding baby, out and about with Mum, gets hungry. Mum is having lunch at the local cafe. She starts to feed baby, and the owner demands she leave. What does she do? Well, she has no option but to leave, for there is nothing here to protect her right to stay and finish the feed. She can't phone the police for help, and explain she is being harassed and prevented from feeding her hungry baby. So she has to leave and go find a lawyer.
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?She goes off and finds a lawyer and asks them to sue the cafe owner under the Sex Discrimination Act. And her proof is? And how long will that take? And can she hack the stress and the costs?

?We need proper protection for mothers and babies, like the law they have in Scotland which is very clear and concise. It gives nursing babies the protection they need without putting an absurd age limit on it.?

ENDS

The press are invited to cover the picnic, which is expected to run
from 1pm to approximately 3pm on the 21st of July. There will be cute babies available for photos and mothers available for interview.

There may also be cake, but you'll have to come along early for that.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Please contact Lorayn Brown on 07765
or email [email protected]

Notes to Editors

? This event is being partially organised by MEMBERS OF (NB - Not the owners or admin staff of) www.mumsnet.com, of the Gina Ford
Controversy fame. This is the website where the 'Gina Ford straps
babies to rockets and fires them into Southern Lebanon' quote came from, so journalists can probably expect some interesting opinions!

? It is still legal in this country to make a nursing mother move on
from a public space and force her to feed her child either in the
public toilets, or in a "Mother & Baby room", which usually means,
"Cupboard with a changing mat and a festering bin of nappies. Oh, and a small chair."

? There has been an attempt by MP David Kidney to pass a Private
Member's Bill through Parliament, which was unsuccessful. There have been several calls by MP's to pass the law and make it illegal to
harass or move on a nursing mother, but so far, their calls have been ignored.

? The legislation has been passed in Scotland and a recent survey
carried out by the National Childbirth Trust has found that 79% of
mothers asked would like a similar bill to be passed here in England. The NCT survey also found that out of 1,394 mothers surveyed, over half of them had felt embarrassed when feeding their babies in public. Breastfeeding mothers have been asked to move on from restaurants, cafes, shopping centres and high streets.

? Both the Department of Health and the World Health Organisation
suggest that a baby should receive at least some breast milk until
they are 2 years old. The government has now started to introduce new initiatives, which means that midwives are now discouraged from discussing formula feeding in antenatal classes, and pushing
breastfeeding as the best way to feed a baby. All this would be fine, if there was the postnatal care to support it. The trouble is, in
today's NHS, the overworked and stressed midwives on postnatal wards have no time to help naïve new mothers with learning the skills required for successful breastfeeding. Likewise, health visitors working in the community all too often suggest formula as a quick and easy solution to a mother struggling to breastfeed, rather than help her to nurse her baby effectively.

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