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Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

429 replies

megglewell · 26/06/2008 10:32

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

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2point4kids · 26/06/2008 16:24

oh dear, lots of x posts that i havent read!
was only about 6 replies when i wrote that lol

flubdub · 26/06/2008 16:25

Jeez, I was going to start a thread asking if it was neccessary to move on to the step up formula after 6 months old, or if you can carry on with the first one when ds is mixed fed,

but now Iv changed my mind.

Miyazaki · 26/06/2008 16:25

Oh and Megglewell my mw recommended Nanny, which was exorbitantly expensive and not organic but goats milk based, and then we used a french one, which was organic, got it from as nature intended. I will google and put a link up

Miyazaki · 26/06/2008 16:26

this one

lulumama · 26/06/2008 16:27

weejie, i think you are in a minority if you think that tiktok would be deliberately insensitive in anyway, or post about breastfeeding with any other aim than to encourage or gently offer another perspective

i have found in my experience of my own babies and in my work, that the vast majority of women do not know that formula is actually, not the same or almost as good as breastmilk,

i don;t think it is remiss to point that out to someone who is concerned enough to ask about the best formula

especially as more than just the OP read the answers , so full answers that might go beyond the remit of the OPs question are valuable and necessary IMO

Chequers · 26/06/2008 16:27

Message withdrawn

tiktok · 26/06/2008 16:27

weejie, I have already explained that sensitivity was behind my choice of words in my post - how carefully I had thought it out, and why, in order not to be insensitive to anything that might be behind the OP's query, but to allow for the possibility that she might at some stage share what was going on.

I cannot help who then comes after me and what they say.

You named me in your first post - of course I assumed you were criticising me ('attacking' is too strong). If you don't want me to feel you were targetting me, then don't flippin well name me! Just a hint

tiktok · 26/06/2008 16:31

flub - you don't need to start a new thread - there is a few zillion on here already discussing that very question.

The archives are your friends

tiktok · 26/06/2008 16:35

Chequers, I agree the OP has gone missing in action, and it's a shame.

Would you agree that a scolding for being insensitive is a highjack of a thread - weejie came in, told the OP it was 'her choice', introduced her own situation (irrelevantly?), and told a bunch of other posters off for being 'insensitive', and I responded to that. Sometimes, this happens with threads 'cos it's a talk board and people talk...just like in RL. Can leave the OP high and dry though, I agree.

Quicksilver · 26/06/2008 16:36

I am shocked that bfing is so taboo that just mentioning it in a thread about feeding your baby gets such an extreme reaction.
I think it insults all women to say it is insensitive to talk about there own bodies.

weejie · 26/06/2008 16:41

I'm sure this is boring everyone, its boring me, but a serious point needs to be made - can't you see, even a little bit, how this could be upsetting, how the very first answer mentions bf, and the way you said it, and the way the other poster framed it, could be seen as upsetting? even if you didn't mean it, can you see it from the perspective of people who may not be able to bf?

could we maybe agree that, and move on?

and can we all think about how we deal with questions on formula and what the issues behind the question might be and not jump in with bf at the earliest opportunity?

2point4kids · 26/06/2008 16:43

Its not taboo. Just not necessary.

If I started a post asking which pram suited my needs and every response told me that slings were much better than prams, I would be a bit too

Quicksilver · 26/06/2008 16:48

I wouldn't be . Knowledge is power.

tiktok · 26/06/2008 16:48

Weejie - "can't you see, even a little bit, how this could be upsetting, how the very first answer mentions bf, and the way you said it, and the way the other poster framed it, could be seen as upsetting? even if you didn't mean it, can you see it from the perspective of people who may not be able to bf?"

For goodness sake, of course... but I minimised this risk by being gentle and light hearted, because there was a strong chance this OP was not someone who was not able to breastfeed, but just someone who was enquiring for other reasons. If we go around not daring to even mention 'breastfeeding' just in case the person might not be able to breastfeed (or who might think they are not able to - you yourself were 100 per cent positive your meds ruled you out, and now you know this may not be true)...then we really are sacrificing free debate.

Nothing I said to the OP was insensitive.

tiktok · 26/06/2008 16:50

2point4 - precisely 2 posts out of the 115 on this thread said something to the OP about breastfeeding being better.

lulumama · 26/06/2008 16:51

before tiktok mentioned breastfeeding, she mentioned the formula brand.

am stunned that anyoen cannot see that breast and bottle feeding are inextricably linked and pretending that one or the other does not exist is ridicolous

weejie · 26/06/2008 16:54

tiktok - really, for goodness sake, you are making this way personal and it doesn't need to be, and I'm not saying don't mention bf just not in first post

tiktok · 26/06/2008 17:00

When are we allowed to mention breastfeeding, then, weejie?

Just askin'

MadamePlatypus · 26/06/2008 17:00

If you post a question about feeding a baby on a public forum, it is likely that somebody will mention breastfeeding. I did not think that tiktok was insensitive at all. The OP did not say that she had any problem with breastfeeding. She may have had a reason for not breastfeeding or she may just want to keep a back up bottle of formula in the house.

I think tiktok was just making the point that people are often misinformed about breastfeeding and taking medication. As the OP did not mention this as a problem, it would have been a little off topic to make a long post on this subject. The OP asked about organic milk. I think tiktok answered the question.

tiktok · 26/06/2008 17:04

Ta, MadameP.

We still don't know if the OP had a problem with bf or not bf or what!

She might have a problem with mumsnet now, though...

StealthPolarBear · 26/06/2008 17:05

"I too have noticed that whenever anyone asks any question about formula or differences between brands the majority of answers ignore the question and say a variation on 'breast feeding is much easier/better' (not arguing that it isnt, i'm a big fan of it, just not the point in question!)"

Well ignoring the question is wrong, but that didn't happen here.
There are MANY women who do not realise that breastfeeding is an option for them, and the benefits it has over ff. Which is why it's worth a mention on a thread asking about ff - not only for the OP, who may be rolling her eyes and thinking "tell me something I don't already know" but for the hundreds of people who come across this thread when planning how to feed their babies.

weejie · 26/06/2008 17:10

tiktok, do you know what, I'm making a serious point here, and you are being facetious and more than a little unpleasant.

I'm sorry you think I was attacking you, as I said you were one of several names i mentioned in order to highlight the posts.

I'm sorry you think I hijacked the posts, I wanted to say something due to the cumulative nature of the posts and how upsetting they could be perceived as and I wanted to address this quickly.,

I'm sorry you think this is about me, its not about me, I mentioned I was able to breastfeed successfully, I mentioned this due to the women I see in my support group who have been really upset by conversations similar to this and I didn't want someone in their position reading these posts and feeling more shit than they already are.

and I'm sorry you think I'm trying to stifle debate, I'm just asking people to think abou the bigger picture and to consider what they say, and what piont in a conversation and how this could be percieved.

and I'm sorry you can't see the timing and nature of your remarks and the other posters could be construed by someone else as being upsetting

and I'm sorry you've felt the need to make some comments personal to me (about jumping in with my size 12s, about hijicking, about being prim and proper) because as I've said, its not about me

and finally I'm sorry to everyone who has been bored by this.

Original poster
megglewell · 26/06/2008 17:45

Hello! It was my original question about organic milk and thank you all for the entertaining and surprising debate that has ensued. Yes i am aware that my breasts give milk and no I can't breastfeed for my own (well researched) reason, so thanks to everyone who gave advice on organic formula - looks like HIPP wins, and glad I gave everyone else a chance to chat!

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ManhattanMama · 26/06/2008 17:46

Well as someone who wanted to BF but couldn't due to breast surgery (and medications I had to take) I was hesitant to even open this post as I KNEW I'd see a string of comments (however jokey) telling the OP that breastfeeding is best.

I am going to stick my neck out and hazard a guess that the vast majority of people who post on Mumsnet will KNOW that BF is the best option for their baby, and that anyone who is FF is doing it because they have weighed up the options and decided that BF is not for them (as is their right) or is unlucky enough not to be able to do so for whatever reason.

Tiktok - I respect your knowledge and experience as a BF counsellor (and I have questions for you that I hope you'll be willing to answer on another thread) but it makes me despair when you can't ask a question about formula without being advised and educated about BF.

Can we not have a separate Formula Feeding topic? Where there's an understanding that people using formula can ask questions without being subjected to BF tips and advice (however kindly it's meant)?

spitty · 26/06/2008 17:48

I don't care if TikTok was insensitive or not. I do care that my cat is dead though.

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