Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

[megglewell]

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

Tik Tok - ah, didn't understand that 'follow on' already meant after 6 months!

Thanks for the clarification

Good grief, poor megglewell, just after recommendations for brands of organic formula for her baby and look what she's got!

Message withdrawn

thankyou flowery, chequers and smallwhitecat

maybe i am overreacting but i can now see why people who formula feed would feel the need to feel defensive, upset etc on boards such as this and tbh i would be so put off as to NOT ask a question about formula if i knew i was going to get bombarded with stuff like this.

and to the op, like i said my little boy is very happy with his hipp organic formula, they do the infant one and follow on, tho they make it very clear on their website that there is no need to change to the follow on milk if your baby is still happy with the infant milk etc, unlike some formula manufacturers that seem to promote their follow on milk as better, or essential for the health of your baby etc, the hipp co seem not to advertise in such an agressive manner

good luck with whatever you do

tik tok - I've just read my 11.39 post and I really don't feel it was preachy or prim, but I do feel the tone of some of your remarks has been perhaps, more...emphatic...than the situation justified. and not just you...

and I didn't feel that the OP had a good enough answer....sorry

I just wanted to say that I felt we didn't know her circumstances, smallwhitecat put it very well - so please can we be more sensitive to those who cannot BF, and consider the tone of our posts

'bombarded'???? I hope not.

3 posters mentioned breastmilk (mentioned) breastmilk alongside my info about formula, and one further person made a joke about soil association certification.

weejie then came in and said we were all being insensitive and introduced a red herring about meds....which was then discussed.

No one has bombarded the OP about her choice at all - the discussion has been about weejie's preaching bossiness and my apparent insensitivity, not about whether or not the OP breaastfeeds or not!

Hope you can see that, 4madboys. Where, precisely, has been the bombardment?

weejie, I have never been insensitive in my life on in mumsnet towards people who do not breastfeed, for whatever reason.

Over the years I have encountered many threads started with questions about 'which formula is best' because the OP thought that they would not be able to breastfeed, invariably because of past experiences or due to medications that they are on.

Usually these posts have started with a one liner about the best formula, which then expands to a discussion if the OP wants.

Sometimes the OP comes back and says that they know breastmilk is best but they don't want to do it - fair enough.

Sometimes the OP comes back and says - 'thank goodness for mumsnet - I would never have known that!'

The choice is the OPs.

Much better to raise the issue of breastmilk than assume the OP has made an informed choice in the first place IMO.

You don't know what you don't know

on in = or in

Exactly mears - if the OP does not tell us anything (and she didn't!) then we can't assume anything...and I didn't!

There's an example of what you say (that people don't know things until it emerges in discussion) on this very thread - weejie was quite sure the meds she quoted were not usable with breastfeeding. The true story is that it may not be quite as clear cut as that. She even thanked me for the link I gave her which allowed her to see for herself.

but look at it from the perspective of someone who can't breastfeed, and sorry for using the example of meds, this is something I am familiar with and know many people are distressed about in my support group, hence my post.

I can only imagine that every post, until mine, mentioning bf and none with even any attempt to inquire why the OP was Formula feeding could feel overwhelming for someone in a difficult position, whether the OP or no.

and I'm sorry if I came across preachy or prim, but can you not see that the culmination of the posts and their tone, and no attempt to ground the bf comments in understanding whether or not the OP could bf is being insensitive?

when i said 'bombarding' i meant the general info given on the thread is about bfeeding and NOT formula, tho yes it has been mentioned but looking at the thread bfeeding and the 'debarte' between you and weeji takes up most of the thread and imo that is insensitive, if you want start another thread on bfeeding and medication tho i imagine there are loads already...

i agree with smallwhitecat.

maybe we are being presumptous in assuming the op doesnt want info about bfeeding, but i know if i posted this question in my current frame of mind i would be VERY upset and i think YOU ARE BEING VERY PRESUMPTIOUS in assuming that its ok to give advice on bfeeding or to mention bfeeding when the OP quite clearly asks for advice on formula.

now i can see why people make comments about the 'bfeeding mafia' etc

what is OP as it's not on the acronym list!

I think we should not make assumptions that any information we have should not be posted as it could be 'insensitive'.

I think it is wrong to make assumptions about people's knowledge.

The information may be wanted or not wanted and then it is up to the OP to respond.

It appears that it is other posters who have issues surrounging the breast/formula debate and it good to have them aired. However, everyone needs to be respectful of the knowledge that others have.

What Tiktok doesn't know about breastfeeding could be written on a postage stamp. It is her expertise.

We can listen to that expertise and decide for ourselves whether to use it or not.

In my mind, if a woman makes an informed choice to formula feed, then there should be no sensitivity surrounding that. She has made the choice based on fact - not based on censored information to make her feel better. She should not feel bad in the first place!

OP - original poster

weejie, you are missing the point

It would have been insensitive of me to ask (as the first person to respond to the OP), 'have you thought about breastfeeding'? Why? Because I had no idea what lay behind her post...no idea if she was a woman, a pregnant mother, a man, a student, or indeed, someone who had a phobia about bf, or who had been told 'you can't breastfeed because of [insert random reason], or who just didn't feel comfortable with the idea....None of my biz what the reason behind her post was, and I would not dream of probing, knowing she would share if she wanted to.

So far, so sensitive.....yes?

So what did I do? I made a little light hearted comment that would allow her to respond how she wished - 'hahah, I know that, of course, but this info is for a friend who [insert other reason]' or 'yes, but I am not happy about bf, and want to ff ' and it would have been left there. A few others came back and commented in a similar vein....until you came along with your insensitive size 12s, and told me, and others off, for being 'insensitive' and it all took off from there....

And now you are saying I should have had the cheek to ask her why she wasn't breastfeeding...no, I will not ask that, because, guess what, it is insensitive.

4smallboys, I have given no advice on breastfeeding at all on this thread. I only mentioned meds because weejie mentioned it. I gave a helpful link to finding out more about specific meds - in response to weejie's request. You are being unfair.

4smallboys = 4madboys!!!

Blimey, maybe everyone should get back in their boxes. If I was the OP I would have run a mile by now.

Take it outside, ladies.

thanks mears!

Tik Tok, what you suggested about infant formula, and correct me of I'm wrong, is that they all have to satisfy strict guidelines (summarized etc)

So, are you saying that they are the same, or would you recommend a brand?

"the best organic formula comes from your breasts"

How to make someone who feels bad anyway that they can't breastfeel feel even worse

Sorry but that is not sensitive

tiktok - your tone with me has been verging on rude, for no reason - I have tried to be polite through this, and you are attacking me personally. This isn't about me - this is about the fact that several people mentioned bf, and in a way which I accept may have tried to be light hearted but could be construed as insensitive...and there are much more sensitive ways of handling this.

if you are a bf professional, then please keep this professional and don't descend into attacks on other posters when they have an alternative view point. Unfortunately behavior like this can alienate more people and as someone rightly pointed out lead to more accusations of the blooming bf mafia

how about this then.....

I felt SICK...I mean sick to the stomach feeding...it made my teeth go on edge and I once passed out....so would the 'breast feeding brigade' think I was not fit to be a mum...I am FED UP with people who breast feed thinking they are the be all and end all.....get a grip.There is more to good mothering than breast feeding.My three girls are very very healthy.