Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

[megglewell]

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

I agree DKMA. Other than training for HCPs which is a massive issue money-wise, the communications issue is not a money issue. It's a tone issue.

dkma, you are being rude now, and most noticeably to me. how have i got the wrong end of the stick? i just don't agree with you on this, that's all.

and i think a new approach to bfing promotion would be great (with money behind it obv) but what i don't want is censorship on MN. sensitivity, yes, censorship, no.

Oh ffs, is all this bickering really necessary?

kkd, if you hadn't have wound your neck out I wouldn't have had to tell you to wind it in. However, if you consider that a personal attack then I sincerely apologise.

You may think you come across as a "take no nonsense" type, but in fact you come across as aggressive. As has already been pointed out to you by others.

at is all this bickering necessary followed by more bickering.

aitch.

lol

anyhoo, off to make dinner.

oh no don't, I've got another 40 minutes at work before I go home and I am in need of diversion

i have been working hard all afternoon, i simply MUST take a break...

LOL. Wonder if I could mention in my annual appraisal list of objectives achieved:

"discussed bf media campaign with stakeholders and mapped out new branding strategy and budget implications. Next steps: develop implementation plan"

so, to sum up, lots of people have asked to widen the debate, look to different ways to engage people re the bf debate, have identified a problem but this seems to be continually interpreted as personal attacks by two people in particular, when it is clearly not, and so the debate is going round in circles when it could lead to some real postive shitfs in attitude.

I do hope that some good will come from this though, that the people who think they are being attacked on this, when they are not, can see how it feels for some people re the whole ff thing and agree a need that how this is approached here and in the wider world is a good thing, no?

one of the original posters agreed that her bf comment could be misconstrued, which was a good and thoughtful gesture, and one which I hope she takes away from here and considers in future posts.

I for one will also consider how I appraoh any sinmliar questions in futire, so I do think some good has come out of this.

name the two people... say what you see, no point in being mimsy about it in your 'summing up', especially not now that the conversation had actually moved on a bit...

As has been mentioned before, there is a little red exclamation mark that you can click to refer posts to MNHQ. I have done this before and they respond very quickly. If you use this button the post will be dealt with and you won't push the thread back into active convo's.

I hope they would have the sense not to have a problem with Tiktok's original post.

it was your defender, chequers, who brought up the words 'personal' and 'attack', freddy.

now wind your neck in.

and as already said, i don't want or feel like i required an apology. msg board comments are not relevant to my self esteem.

Message withdrawn

FWIW I don't think there is anything wrong with tiktok, or anyone else, pointing out to a poster on a FF thread that BF is superior in nutritional content and has other benefits to both mother and child which mean it should be seriously considered.

I don't understand the idea that posters who are in the small minority who cannot BF will be offended by this. For some posters (and there are new people all the time, who may not even know the archives are there let alone how to search them) this will be news (see hundreds of messages passem re ill informed and informing HCPs).

If I had had a double mastectomy and literally had no nipples to BF with I would not be offended by a suggestion that something I could not do would be better than something I can do ie FF. I would just think it a shame and be bloody glad to be alive.

I agree with Stealthpolarbear, I think it is patronising to allow people to think that there is no difference between FF and BF for the sake of preserving a polite fiction that "happy mum = happy baby".

Hopefully I will now divert some of the flaming from tiktok, who really doesn't deserve it.

Blimy, cant believe this is still going, I do love mumsnet, you never know how it will all ed up

Aitch - I was not being rude!!!!

I said that I am clearly not explaining myself very well today.
Your comments back to me have left me thinking that you are getting the wrong end of my stick.

Only I can know what it is I'm trying to get accross.

Jeeeezzzzz

yup, it is still going on chequers, as per your last post. i won't cover old ground again so have a good evening and good night, ok?

sorry dkma, i thought the and the 'can't be arsed to explain' was intended to be rude. i see now that it wasn't because you've told me that it wasn't.

nor, i take it, was the 'jeeeeeeezz '. i suppose it's just that if i'd posted to anyone like that (which of course i haven't) i tend to be precise enough in my use of language that i would have intended it to be ungracious and insulting.

i really do seem to have difficulties 'getting what you're saying. other than your main point, that tiktok's response was 'inappropriate and odd' - which i simply disagree with, as i am entitled to do i think.

Aitch - totally entitled to your opinion

Christ you lot can talk or England

ENGLAND??!! are these people ENGLISH?