Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

[megglewell]

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

sagpuss: I did address the OP's question - and then, because I knew nothing about her situation, made a light hearted comment about organic formula in breasts.

This is not unreasonable. Nothing I said was offensive or insensitive, and it came after I made some sensible suggestions.

You, on the other hand, have come on to this thread purely to have a moan at other posters and to put a bizzare rhetorical question. If you want an answer to it, start a new thread. You don't know anything to help the OP - which you admit.

why dont you guys take your argument elsewhere, the OP asked for advice on formula, NOT bfeeding and your debate is not relevant and tbh annoying, i for one am HUGELY PRO BFEEDING, as i said i fed three of my children for three years, but this time it hasnt worked out, so i am doing what i feel is best and giving my baby organic formula, and had i come on and asked what organic formulas there were and then had the replies on here about bfeeding i would be extremely PISSED off.

sagpuss - thank you - it was my point entirely.

Tik tok you said:

"I'm also brave enough to point out to you that medication is hardly ever incompatible with breastfeeding, and it's not at all uncommon for women to be told they 'cannot breastfeeding with XYZ' and for this to be simply not true - see many posts in mumsnet archives."

first of all, why brave? a very loaded word..

secondly, the above comment seems terribly one sided, which is what I had issue with. and where did you get 98% from? where was any indication to do any research, other than glancing at some old MN posts?

finally, as sagpuss said, there are often a lot off reasons why people cannot breastfeed, and I ask, please be sensitive to these reasons, and think about the cumulative effect of your comments

and sorry, I am happy to take this elsewhere, somehow by trying to reflect this back to get a decent and more sensitive answer for the OP I managed to get myself embroiled in a debate I had planned on

And bear in mind that the advice given about meds contraindicating with breastfeeding can be wrong.

I was told by my consultant that absolutely couldn't have day surgery under GA if breastfeeding my 8 month old dd. SO had to have horrible procedure under local anaesthetic which didn't work very well because I wanted to be able to give dd her bedtime feed as normal.

Of course, now I know better (and what was I thinking in trusting him). After all, people breastfeed after having GA for delivery, for PPH and other things. Grrr.

meant to I say I HADN'T planned on...

weejie - check the spellings of the drugs you are mentioning otherwise you could mislead other people (something you accused me of).
You might want to search toxnet for a different view of these meds - worth discussing with a doctor, I would say, as the research-based evidence on this imdicates it may not be as clear as you imply.

Search
Celecoxib
Adalimumab
Infliximab

here:

toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/htmlgen?LACT

weejie, I was 'brave' ironically, because I was suggesting (ironically) that I was scared you would be cross with me for raising the issue!

I did not mention 98 per cent.

What's one-sided about reporting the fact that women are not uncommonly misled about breastfeeding and meds, and the fact that it is rare for medication to be incompatible with breastfeeding....it's true!

sorry, got two posts conflated, sabire was the one who mentioned 98%

and thank you for that link, very helpful, but can I ask you in future, and everyone here, to consider the effect your comments have - its worthwhile to note the OP didn't come back

weejie - the tone of this thread only changed when you came on it and threw accusations of insensitivity around...leave well alone, next time, why doncha?

ps - tiktok, coxibs is a catch all term for drugs with this basis including methotrexate

Adalumimab is an acceptable spelling, I believe, as it is commonly used in medical journals. this was also why I put the brand name after so there was no confusion.

I know 'coxibs' - or rather I looked it up

Fair enough about the alt. spelling - this can happen with meds, I know.

tiktok - if you want to talk about tone, the post finsihing leave well alone is unpleasant.

shall we take this elsewhere as one poster suggested? but in the meantime here is the point I originally made,no one answered the OP, everyone referred to breastfeeding, and while one could be helpful, everyone hammering on about BF in this way could be construed as insensitive, and I know people in similar situations who feel bad enough without this kind of repetition going on, and my main point, again which I keep repeating, is that please be sensitive to people who cannot breastfeed.

"but in the meantime here is the point I originally made, no one answered the OP"

Er... TikTok did in her very first post.

i think it is unreasonable to suggest that breast feeding should not be suggested in response to a question about bottle feeding, especially if a mother is concerned enough to enquire about organic formula.

no has said 'you wicked woman, how dare you mention formula! there were lots of smiley faces and i and others mentioned HIPP formula

there is a lot of emotion invested in how we feed our babies, and bottle and breast feeding are inextricably linked.

every woman should have the information to make an informed choice, and that includes pros and cons of both breast and bottle.

Hipp is the most commonly available one, which both my DDs have had. When DD1 was small (5 yrs ago), Cow and Gate also did an organic version.

FWIW I thought that TikTok answered the OP promptly and honestly.

All formulas are pretty much the same, they just market different angles to appeal to different audiences.

Megglewell, I mix fed DD1 and used HIPP. This is because it is vegetarian (no fish oils) and because organic cows have a better life. It also came in boxes with 2 sealed packets in - good if you are mix feeding and not using it quickly. Also as TikTok points out you can buy it easily. They were my reasons for choosing this formula over others.

HTH

blimey!

i came on to say the only one i see widely available is hipp.

and to see if anyone had mentioned breastmilk as well

weejie, I'm hoping you will re-read my first post, which shared information with the OP, relevant to her question. 'No one answered the OP' -???? Wrong.

And if just mentioning breastfeeding alongside this info is seen as insensitive, on a 'breast and bottle feeding board', for heavens sake, to someone who had given no indication of the background to her post, then we really might as well give up.

I refer you to your preachy and prim post of 11.39.

BUT the op ASKED FOR ADVICE ON FORMULA, i am sure she knows that bfeeding is best, although given recent studies about toxins and chemicals etc, you can even feel bad about bfeeding as well

seriously i am answering this thread as someone who is HUGELY pro bfeeding, but has also made the decision to formula feed, that i really would be upset if i was the OP, if i asked about formula i dont need someone telling me abour bfeeding and as for the degeneration of this thread imo tiktok you are all as bad as each other, and i do actually think your post WAS insensitive, regardless of the smiley faces.

Hi Tik Tok - re: formula for 6 months - I got the idea from the HIPP label. Obviously a 3 month old is going to have different nutritional needs than a 6 month old?

There's a bit of a grey area as the advice is to breast feed until 6 months exclusively, but was under the impression that cows milk is not advisable until about 12 months as a drink, but OK in things like yoghurt, cheese etc.

4madboys - you are very confident that everyone knows 'breast is best'. The evidence is quite the contrary. A third of people in the MORI survey thought that formula was 'as good as' or 'almost the same as' breastmilk.

I thought it was 'insensitive' of weejie to say it actually didn't matter whether the OP breastfed or not....that's pretty belittling to the many women on here who struggle to breastfeed, being sure, in their minds, that it does matter. She meant to be kind. She ended up being patronising.

ilove - you have misunderstood me, I think.

HIPP make a range of formula - it includes infant formula for babies, and follow on which is not suitable for babies under six months.

funny how it's ok to mention bf on a bottle feeding thread but not the other way round (having been pilloried for this yesterday)

exactly countess.