Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Infant feeding

Get advice and support with infant feeding from other users here.

Original poster

Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

429 replies

megglewell · 26/06/2008 10:32

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

OP posts:
ilovemydog · 26/06/2008 17:49

Is part of the problem that breastfeeding and formula feeding is lumped into one catagory?

Should it be separated?

Chequers · 26/06/2008 17:50

Message withdrawn

ilovemydog · 26/06/2008 17:51

I mean, breast feeding and formula feeding as catagories as a discussion group?

spitty · 26/06/2008 17:54

cat cheese is rather tasty

hunkermunker · 26/06/2008 17:54

By CountessDracula on Thu 26-Jun-08 14:40:48
funny how it's ok to mention bf on a bottle feeding thread but not the other way round (having been pilloried for this yesterday)

CD, show me where you answered my OP with anything remotely approaching anything useful and I'll agree with you that you were "pilloried" - Tiktok answered the OP and also mentioned bf. If you'd said, "Some things to consider for breastfeeding guidelines would be..." and then said, "And I'd like to see some bottlefeeding guidelines too, since there's a lot of misinformation out there" I guarantee you my response to you would've been different. You can choose to believe that or not, as is your prerogative.

hunkermunker · 26/06/2008 17:54

ILMD, why separate categories when most women do both?

LittleMyDancing · 26/06/2008 17:56

Hello meggle! Glad we haven't scared you off - hope the Hipp works out for you.

Everyone else, don't you have homes to go to?

TotalChaos · 26/06/2008 17:58

FLUBDUB! No need AT all to change to follow-on milk. Although they flog follow-on as having more iron, the extra iron is not in a form that is readily available to the baby, so follow-on isn't any more nutritious.

Spitty your poor cat

I think a gentle enquiry into whether the OP had made a firm decision not to try to breastfeed at all would be sufficient.

spitty · 26/06/2008 18:05

thankyou totalchaos. I've got over it now. x

tiktok · 26/06/2008 18:06

Yay, meggle
Glad you got some help in amongst all this

Manhattan, ask away (elsewhere), happy to help if I can.

But I have not 'advised' or 'educated' about breastfeeding on this thread at all - tell me where you think I have done so. It makes me despair to be told I did so - I did not. I made a light-hearted comment to the OP after answering her Q as far as I could, as this was the most sensitive way of raising it (as we know, mothers are often misled about whether they can or can't bf); and I engaged in a discussion, and posted a link, on request, about meds and breastfeeding.

What's wrong....FGS?

flubdub · 26/06/2008 18:15

Oohh, thank you total chaos.
People keep telling me to put ds's (9weeks) milk up to Cow and Gate no2, hes on 6 oz's which I think is fine.
I always imagine the difference between my breastmilk that he has, and the number two milk as different as water and cottage cheese in his belly, and can see it sitting in his belly for ages, and dont like the thought of it.
Anyway, presumably my bm will change for him as he gets older?

ButterflyMcQueen · 26/06/2008 18:19

so that'll be HIPP then?

tiktok · 26/06/2008 18:27

Flub - Number 2 milk is not follow on. Number 2 milk is suitable for babies under 6 mths (and over), and from birth, too. The protein is less modified than Number 1 milk - it is casein dominant, not whey dominant. It is marketed at 'hungrier babies' (or rather their mothers ) because the casein takes longer to break down in the stomach, and it is supposed to keep them fuller for longer...but the calorie content is the same. There is no research I am aware of that is in the public domain anyway that shows whether this claim is justified or not.

Information about formula milk should be as detailed as people want - but the manufacturers seem to want to leave people puzzled and squinting at packages and not knowing for certain if their baby is best off on 1,2,3 or whatever the brand divides their range into.

Question to ff mothers - does this not make you a bit cross?!

TotalChaos · 26/06/2008 18:28

tiktok will know more detail I am sure, but yes, BM automatically adapts itself as your baby gets older.

TotalChaos · 26/06/2008 18:30

well done Tiktok for knowing the C & G formula system. Meant genuinely. As I certainly wouldn't have twigged that no 2 wasn't follow on.

lulumama · 26/06/2008 18:53

i formula fed... and the whole formula milk thing makes me cross in retrospect

i cannot believe i was almost suckered in. i am a reasonably intelligent, well educated woman, yet it never occurred to me if, simplistically, breast is best, what is formula?

i did not even think about what it was made of, nor look into how breastfeeding worked.

makes me angry now rather than sad.

anyhoo, i would urge any mother who is bottle feeding for whatever reason, to feed like a breastfeeding mother would, for at least some of the time:

skin to skin contact.

concentrate on feeding

get to know your baby's pattern of feeding

don't be in a hurry to pass baby over to lots of other people to be fed, enjoy nurtutring and nourishing your baby

don;t encourage baby to hold on to the bottle and self feed or prop the bottle up too soon.

DebsCee · 26/06/2008 18:53

weejie - I have just read this thread and to me, you have come across as the judgmental and personal and critical one. I often read MN, very rarely post, but I was compelled tonight.

That I found you so may surprise you, but you what you need to bear in mind is - you read this thread as you, from your viewpoint and others are likely to read it and into it entirely differently, just like me.

Criticising another poster, any poster, for the timing of their comment is laughable - how on earth can any of us know that we will be the first post, or 2nd or 32nd or come right after a similar remark?!

Personally I did not find Tiktoks comments unhelpful or anti FF or especially pro BF, but, see, that was my interpretation and from my viewpoint, and that's why I can't understand you getting so personal about it when it's so unnecessary really. You can think it, but why go attacking it, why? No one else is gonna thank you for it, and no one else asked you for it

flubdub · 26/06/2008 19:06

Thanks tiktok, I know no2 isnt follow on, I call it greedy baby milk.
I dont want to put ds on it, (i dont even want to ff)

tiktok · 26/06/2008 19:12

Just re-read your posts, flub, and yes, I can see you know what's what Sorry!

Debs, thanks for your support.

lulu, this is something I would like more discussed, too - you can recreate a lot of the closeness of breastfeeding, which is what a lot of women miss when they switch. This is good for the baby

CrushWithEyeliner · 26/06/2008 19:46

wejee your posts have been absolutely spot on here.

SoupDragon · 26/06/2008 19:50

"wejee your posts have been absolutely spot on here."

Except for where she claimed no one had answered the OP. That was glaringly incorrect.

CrushWithEyeliner · 26/06/2008 19:51

she didn't say that you are paraphrasing

SoupDragon · 26/06/2008 19:53

The problem with separate topics for breast/formula is what happens to the mother who posts about formula feeding having been given incorrect information about breastfeeding? In segregated topics she'd get "oh, aptimil was good for my baby" whereas in a joined topic she'd get "did you realise that...?" which may well save her breastfeeding.

SoupDragon · 26/06/2008 19:56

Er, no Crushedwitheyeliner, I'm not paraphrasing.

stitch · 26/06/2008 19:58

this discusiion has moved on obviously, but in answer to weejies assumptions about my suggestion.
i have no ulterior motive as yousuggest. i am answering the op as honestly as possible. the fact that you dont like my answer is not somethng i worry about. i have simply answered the op