why would anyone CHOOSE not to bf? if they know its the best thing for the baby?

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this totally baffles me, , i truely cannot understand it.

i can understand it, if you try and find it too difficult, and decide its not working out for you.
but i honestly can not understand why a mother would not even want to.
surely every mum only wants the best for their baby?

is it because they do not understand the risks of giving formula?

lol now ive been accused of rehashing old arguments, it wasn't me that brought it up!

i think you lot just see, what you want to see tbh.

do i feel insecure if im accused of never amouting to much, because i know its simply not true, it just makes me laugh.

i was not asking about those that, cannot bf or do try and don't get on with it, i was simply wondering why on earth would anyone not choose to try, oh well, nevermind, call me a millitant or whatever you like, really doesnt bother me.

you clearly make up stuff ive said.

and as for you being so baffled about the sunday lunch thing, i clearly stated that that was my last post one the previous thread, that someone else brought up....
which of course now im being accused of bringing up! lol
wow, priceless

go and eat a roast potato

i also think its v dishonest of certain people to constanly misquote me.

thanks pw for stating the facts about what i did say on the previous thread, and if any wants to read it they can, but perhaps some folk find it, easier to make out i said certain things i didn't

have a yorkshire too then tetchy pants

I think life is very simple for you milkgoddess and that's why you can't understand other women's choices so much.

I think this is a bit of strange thread title. Everyday I make choices that I know arent necessarily the best thing for my kids. So?

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I dont think she got her 7 point iq ration

and sciottishmummy is buying tits or maybe pretty bottles

oooh right post wrong site!

I nearly chose not to bf ds2. I bf ds1 for 6 months which I had so many problems with, I wont go into all the problems but when you cry every time your ds wakes for a feed because you dont think you can carry on feeding you know things are pretty bad. I would go as far to say that bf was a big contributing factor to my severe pnd. But every time I thought of giving up I felt racked with guilt that I wasnt doing the best for him so carried on, this in turn affected my bonding with him. He finally made the decision for me at 6 months as he just started refusing the breast. Ds1 was just 16 months old when ds2 born. I knew for both my sons I could not go through all that again it may of been the best for them physically but it would of been for us all emotionally. I was also worried about the time factor as ds1 would just feed all the time and I never got any thing done. If ds2 feed the same way there would of been no way I could of given quailty time to ds1 who I only recently at that time felt we close compared to his early life. So I seriously considered not bf but in the end I decided that I would give ds2 a go at bf but just be relaxed and if I had probs to give up. Fortunely ds2 feed like a dream with no probs. He was not a constant feeder like ds1 but feed for 20 mins every 3 and a half hours and I bf him till he was 15 months which I then gave up as I had to go on some strong medication.
I understand op you wanting to know the reasons, but right at the beginning of this thread you were warned what this thread would lead to, you were told if you wanted to know look in the archives, one poster even suggested to you to contact mnhq to have thread delected but it appears you took no note and hence people have got upset, perhaps nasty just like what was predicted. But you were warned

It is personal choice! I bf both my kids for 2 years together! They would not take a bottle which was my fault...I listned to the books etc and for 2 years I could not go our for more than 4 hours. After I stopped one of my kids has now real food problems and still trys to latch on at 5. I wish I had mixed bf & formula. First time mums, sorry, read to many books and suddenly they know it all and this stresses out other mums making them feel inadiquate. BF like all other parenting skills is what you feel happy with. If you actually read a bit more about it you will find that BF is not the bee all and end all!

Policywonk thinks I am misinterpreting OP. I am not. Her (MG) exact words on previous thread were:

"personally i still think some people should just accept they, do not have the time or are willing to make any changes that are needed to be a really great parent."

So only stay at home parents can be great parents according to her. How does this work, bearing in mind the need to have some kind of income? Are only people so wealthy neither need to work, or where both partners are on benefits, to have children? Should my husband and I have remained sterile wage slaves so that stay at home parents could procreate?

I am not misinterpreting, I am asking for explanations of the OP's point of view. She doesn't offer any, because she is a troll, intent on inflamming and upsetting. As on the other thread, you seem to feel that you must defend her position because otherwise there is also an implicit criticism of you as a SAHM. There isn't.

Xenia is good value for money as a poster, for example, and has some very trenchant and interesting views. She has clearly achieved a lot and has a strong perspective on being a WOHM. I'm sure she is also a good mother. But just because I am also a WOHM doesn't mean I am just like her or want to be associated with her views. MG is being offensive to many many people here, surely you can see that?

Apologies OP for not realising you had copied and pasted the your last post from previous thread i didn't note an end to the quotation marks. I mainly mentioned the sunday dinner to bring a little lightheartedness to the thread. Its bringing back painful memories of how shit I felt through BF my DD for as long as I could. this thread is like a car crash for me can't seem to scrool past and looking..........

lilimer, don't apologise to MG, she is trying to make us all feel shit, she hasn't been near this thread all day because she's had her fun and moved on, without answering any of the points put to her. Don't feel shit, you are doing your best like all of us. My DS is having a horrible time teething at the mo, I feel helpless and hopeless. Don't give yourself a hard time.

well let's see

i am loving bf ds4 but i didn't enjoy it with ds1 and ds2. I am sat here taking a brief break from referencinf my dissertation which is due tomorrow, my 2 asd kids are refusing to settle, ds2 is stressing over his blanket (dont ask!), dh is at work...

frankly if someone in a similar situation wanted to skip the bf and maybe ger 2 minutesi wouldnt blame them!

it would be lovely to get a break- even a bath- but dh only about during his cluster feed time

georgiemama - your post of 07.59 said '"milkgoddess" was previously expressing the view that people who work don't deserve to even have children'. I don?t think she ever said that, did she?

You refused to believe that her posts on the SAHP thread referred to parents, not women. (This is despite the fact that the posts are there in black-and-white for you to read.)

I don't defend her because we are both SAHMs; I have absolutely nothing against WOHMs. I work part-time myself. I'm defending her because a lot of posters, including you, are intent on setting up a straw man and then knocking it down. If you were sticking to the facts of what mg has actually said, I wouldn't be on this thread at all - I don?t find the OP's premise particularly interesting.

Re xenia - are we going to discuss her or not? I'm happy to but on your previous posts you pointed out that she?s not here to defend herself.

Oh, and MG has been back to the thread. Have a read and see.

'MG is being offensive to many many people here, surely you can see that?' This is a fair point. It's a shame that the thread and others like it cause distress to some posters, and I do think that the OP could have been put a lot better.