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OH FUCK...... JARM about to send DH out for formula..... stop me!

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DanJARMouse · 12/12/2007 20:08

I know I want to BF but why the hell is it so hard? We were doing really well up until today. My left nip is sore again, but latch is fine so fuck knows why it hurts. Daniel has been attatched to me all fecking day, bar 2hrs where we co-slept because thats the only way he will sleep.

im pissed off, tired and hormotional

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DanJARMouse · 15/12/2007 12:10

Another night and morning done... although have had a stressful one this morning. Was silly enough to think i could pop into town with Daniel and DD2... hahahaha... who was i kidding! He slept until i entered the last shop and then screamed, and continued screaming til i got home... cue manic woman on bus with finger in mouth of tiny baby! Got him home and he fed for nearly an hour so Im guessing he was hungry, but there just was no where comfortable enough to feed him in town.... and it was far too cold to sit on the bench!

Quick question about EBM.... i thought you could onyl keep it for 24hrs in the fridge, however the Avent stuff that came with the pump says 48hrs.... whats right?! If its 24hrs then what i expressed yesterday afternoon will have to go down the sink in 2hrs time

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chatee · 15/12/2007 12:47

DanJARMouse,
you are doing really well and sound so much happier thatn your op..well done you!

the milk you have already expressed does not need chucking down the sink-freeze it! you can then use it when you have built up more supply-

moondog · 15/12/2007 13:51

God no,you can keep it for four days in the fridge.
How is the expressing going?

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DanJARMouse · 15/12/2007 13:53

ive got nearly 4oz in the fridge - thats 1.5oz from 5mins yesterday and the rest from 10 mins today.

will express again later after he has his next feed, which by the sounds of him will be within the next 10mins!

might see if he will take the EBM tonight after his 8pm feed so i can go straight to bed..... if not, ill only be upstairs for the real stuff!

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debbsyandsonn · 15/12/2007 14:03

hi jarm just popped on to say congratulations on the birth of little daniel lovely name btw stick with the breast feeding you are doing so well im proud of you xx

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DanJARMouse · 15/12/2007 14:11

awww deb!!! That is so lovely, thank you. Hope you are ok xxx

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WizzskaRedbreast · 15/12/2007 17:20

Jarm - I'm going through similar problems, but don't have two other children to worry about. I don't know how you manage. Rory will be 2 weeks old tomorrow, and I still feel like a wet rag. My tits are killing me, they're beginning to get lumpy and red, my nipples are raw and I feel like shit. I'm fed up with being unable to lift anything because of the stupid c-section scar. I don't mean to moan on your thread and hijack it, I'm just saying I think I know how you feel.

moondog · 15/12/2007 17:26

Oh Wizzska!

That is brilliant JARM. You will be a champion milker no doubt.

I got myself a little supply in the freezer which gave me leeway for the occasional time off.

thehairybabysmum · 15/12/2007 20:58

Hello...just popped on for a look to see how you're doing and is great to see you are still going strong!! (hope you didnt think my previous post suggested top ups was unsupportive as it wasnt meant to be).

Glad to see you are managing to express ok...sounds like it shouldnt take you long to build up a backup supply in the freezer for when you ar ehaving a bad day. I keep my expressed int eh fridge for 2 days with no problems and have also done 1 day fridge then to freezer when ive managed to get a lot.

Im 11 weeks in now and it does get easier honest...the feeling of neglecting the older one has also lessened for me too so hang in there. I told one of my friends that i would be stopped bf by christmas as i was finding it so hard a few weeks ago and now xmas is next week and ive no intention of giving up currently. Just take it one day or one week at a time and before you know it you'll be at 11 weeks before you know it (and longer).

moondog · 15/12/2007 20:59

Oh great that it is working out for you too Hairybaby!

imdreamingofawhiteKITTYmas · 15/12/2007 21:07

hey JARM just popped in to see how you were doing and say hello, another day down eh? well done. Expressing sounds as if it is starting to go well too.

I will be coming to you for advice on BFing no3 whilst having another 2 to entertain

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DanJARMouse · 15/12/2007 23:18

well the boy has just downed the 4oz i had in the fridge.... and still wants more!

Im off to bed with him now, will report back in the morning but so far another day and evening done (although this evening was hard work because im knackered)

heres to tonight and tomorrow!

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Islamum · 16/12/2007 12:31

My dd non-stop feeds during the day at 3 weeks I got dh to give her a bottle, I was so shattered, she has no more than 1 bottle a day she gets about 2 a week and is doing fine, so glad I didn't give up completely, so good to be able to pop out a boob when we are out

mears · 16/12/2007 12:34

Well done JARM - you are really doing so well. You are sounding like a 'pro'

MerryXMoss · 16/12/2007 16:53

Jarm good to hear you're doing so well ... and when he is a good few months older and easily distracted you will miss these days of feeling tethered to the settee all day watching daytime TV reading intelligent broadsheets.

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DanJARMouse · 16/12/2007 20:44

Evening all

Not sure how we got through last night - and it wasnt the feeding thats the issue! I think he has colic because he is SCREAMING for about 3hrs every evening for the last 2 nights.... and its sooooo hard listening to them cry! He is clean/dry/fed etc so really only leaves the wind!

Any tips?!

Expressed 4oz again today but he only took 2oz out of the bottle before spitting it out in disgust and feeding from me for 10mins! Something tells me the bottle thing may have to wait a few weeks!

On the plus side - went to church tonight! It was the annual Carol service so took all 3 kids, my dad and DH.... Daniel slept the whole way through! No embarrasment for me!

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FlossALump · 16/12/2007 20:50

Floss states the obvious...

If he is feeding a lot still is there any chance he is just bloody knackered? With DD I was convinced she had colic, but once a bed time routine was established she has been so much easier because she is getting lots of lovely sleep!! It also meant she stopped using me to get off to sleep, as before we were in a routine of feed, sleep, wake - hungry!! over and over. I also found that DD was too light a sleeper for the noise of DS - putting her up in our room for naps during the day helps somewhat. I find the more sleep she has the easier a baby she is. I know DS is still only very tiny and you need to feed often but just something to bear in mind. Mind you if someone had said that to me two months ago I'd have thought that they were stupid!

WizzskaRedbreast · 17/12/2007 09:51

Floss - how do you do that?!!! What's your bedtime routine? Jarm is having exactly the same problems as me, screaming baby for hours at night who can't get himself to sleep. I want to start him on good habits while he's still young and am worried that he relies too much on me. He usually falls asleep on me after a feed.

Jarm - I'm with you all the way.

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DanJARMouse · 17/12/2007 09:59

Floss - you may have been right....

the boy fell asleep at 9pm. I woke HIM at 3.50am because my boobs were like rocks and so sore. He went back to sleep at 4.45am and then I woke him again at 8.30am!

He has had a good feed and is asleep again now.

Im concerned something is wrong because all he does is sleep! I have to wake him for feeds, otherwise i think he would just sleep and never feed!

I need a bedtime routine, so that starts tonight, also tied with getting him to sleep in the cot!

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MerryPIFFLEmas · 17/12/2007 10:08

DJARM
We had that with ds2, took 3 nights, thought F**k this for a bunch of bananas, sent dp out for infacol.
Bloody amazing
he farted all night long but stopped screaming.
Have half used bottle well within use by if you'd like it sending to try?

laundrylover · 17/12/2007 10:19

Hi JARM, good to read that you are still bfing - hurray and well done you!

BTW ebm can be kept in the fridge for 8 days according to the La Leche League guidelines so no need to put any down the sink at all. Sounds like you are getting on well with the expressing and at least Daniel will take some out of a bottle even if he complains.

FlossALump · 17/12/2007 12:46

Ah, glad you had a better night. A bedtime routine is the only thing I ever worry about - sod the rest of the day! Don't expect it to necessarily work straight away, but as this is number 3 I'm sure you know that! Sticking with it seems to be the key (can't help wondering if it will all fall apart when we move from the basket to the cot). Hope you have a better week this week!

moondog · 17/12/2007 16:21

The more he sleeps,the more rest you get-remember that!

Well done darling-you're brilliant!

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DanJARMouse · 17/12/2007 17:10

I know, it is good!

Thank you so much for helping me through all this, you have all been amazing support.

We are having slight issues today, very fussy on the boob... on off on off... will see if a more settled evening will help, we have been at my dads all weekend (am going home after tea) so wonder if he is just ready for his own bed and environment.... i know I am!

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claireybabyboy · 17/12/2007 20:21

Oh Jarm don't give up now. Wizz you too.
Basically second what everyone else has said. Also at this stage remember how very young he is-I agree a bedtime routine is good (says me who has done sod all about implementing one for 1 week old ds) but the rest of the time don't worry if he only falls asleep on the breast, I know it is tiring but he'll learn to do it alone eventually. And TBH feeding him to sleep is less tiring than listening to him scream for hours on end and you need to rest! As I'm sure you already know implemementing a good bedtime routine will help him learn when it is sleep time and he will be able to fall asleep on his own.

I beat myself up about dd feeding to sleep and tried to stop her doing it at only days old-as a result I had a cranky screaming baby who would only sleep on my chest for the first 8 weeks of her life. I basically had to listen to her scream for hours and then ended up feeding her to sleep in the end anyway. As she got older I realised that in most cases a baby who is not hungry will not feed-they might latch on but will fuss on and off and dribble the milk back out.

I know feeding is doubley hard when you are in pain but honestly the pain doesn't last-like someone else said after 3 weeks it is minimal and after 6 you'll be feeding painlessly everytime-I remember thinking it would never end but it did.
Sorry this is all about me but I remember feeling like I was the only one experiencing these problems with dd and it really helped me to learn that others had similar issues.

Also, under pressure from others to get her sleeping better I gave dd formula before bed from quite early on-it did absolutely nothing to either settle her or get her to go longer between feeds and I hated every minute of bottle feeding her.