hhhm, so Vicki Scott thinks we need to pump and dump while having a drink?

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see Xmas tips link Yeah, if you're boozing for england but oculd it perhaps be a slight advert for Avent products here rather than fully correct BF advice? i think one or two drinks is usually OK, especially if you have them straight after feeding as we've said many times on this list...

I know MN has gotta have an income from somewhere but adverts disguised as advice aren't helping anyone. or is it just me?

Yes, it's the patronising thing I object to, Pruni.

She has one young child. Yes, she's a midwife, yada yada. But we have Mears, who has far more experience and four grown-up children. And Tiktok, again, masses of bf experience, current up-to-date knowledge, older children.

And when you see "advice from an expert" that you know to be wrong, especially when it's quoted back at you as some sort of "Vicki Scott from Avent says it, so you're wrong" kind of thing, well, I just want to jack the whole lot in, frankly.

Yes it does kind of feel like all the work that you, Tiktok, et al have put in over the years is being undone in front of our eyes. I hope to god it isn't, and all the regulars obviously know where things stand, but it's bloody frustrating nonetheless.

I liked MN when better when it didn't make any money.
I don't believe for a cotton-pickin' second that MNHQ don't know exactly why this sucks and I don't believe they give a flying fuck about it. Justine's initial reactions showed that quite well.
Time for a break innit?

If I left over this I'd really miss everyone - that's the dilemma. And there are always going to be huge companies around, ready to cynically exploit vulnerable new parents. Maybe we're all naive to think that we can change attitudes and received opinion. And yet I think it is possible to make a difference - Hunker and Aitch's blogs are proof of that.

I've really neglected my blog recently

Got writer's block.

Well, and the arse with everybody. Don't think it's a good frame of mind to be in to write supportive stuff!

Well I've got a post on there that's waiting to be moderated cos I used the wrong email address. So get back there woman!

It's on the site now - thank you for that!

Well it wasn't exactly earth-shattering stuff, but thanks.

I'm just waiting for the crappy christmas ads that take up most of my computer screen

I've just read Vicki's tips. Good grief, I think I wold have considered them PFB when I had a PFB . Don't like the assumption of rigid routine on there either.

I agree with Pruni , word for word. Prescriptive 'expert' marketing advice doesn't, IMO, sit well with MN.

Hunker, hope you haven't got the arse with me - I have a very long email to you brewing

i am contemplating a MN holiday due to this vicki scott palava.

Have Mumsnet people responded to the criticism of Vicki Scott's advice? I can't find anything official.

I have looked at her babyconfidence website (link below) and the motto there for babycare with regard to feeding and sleeping is 'start as you mean to go on'...which is just about the stupidest thing you can do with a newborn!!

Unless you 'start' being responsive and flexible, and intend to go on doing so! Somehow, I don't think this is what is meant by the phrase....

Last I heard, MNHQ were going to look into some 'discrepancies' on the microsite but that's as much as I know.

TBH, if anyone has b/feeding problems I'll refer them to Kellymom.com or HowBreastfeedingWorks.com

I cant disappear from here right now, otherwise I would. Until after January when this campaign has finished.

Tiktok, it's absurd, isn't it?

I think that if I tried to lie and breastfed DS1 (3.8), whilst stroking his cheek and marvelling at making a scrummy warm newborn, not worrying whether it was day or night, he would think I'd flipped!

Start as you meant to go on is undermining in itself, imo.

Berolina, no, not got the arse with you, how could I?!

Whenever I hear the views of non experts I immediately go into that Charlie Brown mode, you know when the teacher at school starts talking and all the children actually hear is 'blah, blah. blah, blah, blah" and I think "oh be quiet"

hunker, if you are still around, can you tell me if people can see unmoderated comments on your site? if they can, can you go please go moderate my comments on there? please?

Kiskidee, no, not unless you've previously had a comment approved, in which case it's published immediately (I think).

Don't worry, your post's on there sans chatty bit Thank you very much for that - very helpful. And yes, I quite understand and am feeling similar.

You can email me, either through addy on the blog or hunkermunker at gmail dot com

i use an old avent bottle for measuring out my milk for porridge in the morning.

having a good ole giggle at this!

Tiktok,there was a lot of fuss over Vicki's guff advice (on Site Stuff) and to be fair MN came on and said they acknowledged people's comments and feelings but had to run it to the end of the year as that was the contract.

Somehow though I don't think Avent and Vikki will be seeking to re-advertise...

Thanks, moondog. I do think it's extraordinary that because someone pays, they are permitted to give unhelpful, misleading information. Some of the 'tips' are a bit bizarre, but it's the stuff that reveals she does not know as much as she thinks she knows that should, surely, be deleted.

But tbh tiktok, those of us who do not pay are allowed to give unhelpful, misleading information. I think it's part of the greatness of the site that there are people who can show that the experts are talking crap uninformed, and that Mumsnet allows threads such as this to point it out.

You have a point, prufrock, I know. Trouble is, that once something is on a microsite, with the mumsnet branding and seal of approval, it becomes somehow more trustworthy. Posts on talkboards are the voice of the individual posters and readers learn to be wary of believing everything (anything?!) that's said on them.