hhhm, so Vicki Scott thinks we need to pump and dump while having a drink?

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see Xmas tips link Yeah, if you're boozing for england but oculd it perhaps be a slight advert for Avent products here rather than fully correct BF advice? i think one or two drinks is usually OK, especially if you have them straight after feeding as we've said many times on this list...

I know MN has gotta have an income from somewhere but adverts disguised as advice aren't helping anyone. or is it just me?

It doesn't work in quite the way you are thinking, Squalor.

It's unlikely that someone would be drinking and timing each unit to 1-2 hours. You could, for example, drink a lot faster than this, and people on a heavy drinking session often do (I imagine - truly, I hardly drink at all!).

The alcohol doesn't queue up in the system waiting to be processed one unit at a time.

Hard to describe. I think I need a diagram

Most people would be unconscious or close to it, I think, if they had drunk 20 units in a single night....it's about three bottles of wine.

Tiktok, So anything that was sensible...2/3 or 4 glasses of wine ? ...wouldn't affect the baby ?

Tiktok I have polished off three bottles many a time
Not for a while though.
But I see what you mean, the only other reference I know WRT the body getting rid of alcohol is driving and I think they say to work it out, an hour per unit, after you last had a drink.

Nine, look at the link I posted down the thread.

No one can say for sure what will affect and what will not affect an individual baby. Babies don't show signs of having alcohol in the breastmilk unless the mother has drunk a great deal. But showing and being affected 'invisibly' are not the same.

There is no cut off line - you decide it!

If you drank 4 glasses of wine in 20 mins, and then immediately fed your baby, that would give your baby more alcohol than 4 glasses spread over 4 hours followed by a feed an hour later.

I am not gonna tell anyone what they should do, and what is or isn't 'ok'. You have as much info as I do, so you can decide what is ok for you!

The most I have is 2 or 3 glasses over a long evening after my DD's last feed and don't nurse her again until the following morning after many hours of sleep.

I am happy that is a reasonable level for my DD and I.

Pruni for sure - I did post earlier saying it was bollocks about expressing and chucking it - silly waste of good milk and of your time and effort

Yes I was about to say it's a shame to go to all that trouble of making the stuff then throwing it away, but then, I don't feel the same way about my wee.

who's vicki scott? Is it another "expert" I don't like "experts"

kittywits.. is that you?

(lulumama)

aah. it is you !

wondered where you had gone... thought you had not been around for aaaaaaages.. are you well?

hello lulu(waves)
I've been around, just experimenting with names!! I got bored with Kitty, but then decided that I should stick with it 'cos otherwise none knows who I am .
It's a bit mental in my house, I've just got the old chin above the waterline!
HOpe all's well with you and yours? x

glad you are ok.. apart from 2 weeks of unending poorliness, we are fine too

The only proviso I would give - as I was given in my first thread - is that if you are planning a big night and to give EBM in the morning, it might be necessary to pump and dump for your own comfort - I remember leaving ds (2nd child so I cracked open champagne whilst still in hospital) when he was 4 months to go to a wedding. I fed at 11am, and then we left. I was OK during the day, but by 2 am my norks were spilling out of my strapless dress because they'd got so huge. I had to hand express, whilst slighgtly sozzled, in the ladies loo (fortunately they had ones with basins in the cubicle) and the next morning I had wet the bed with my milk and can remember staning in the shower with bm running down my chest!

I used to pour myself a big glass of wine before settling in for DD2's marathon evening feeds .

Kitty - I agree we could do without these 'experts'...she doesn't sound much better than all the others tbh...just found this:
www.avent.com/uk/en/about_avent_expert_letter.php
..and this:
www.thebabywebsite.com/article.599.Who_is_Vicki_Scott.htm
Looks like she has at least got a midwifery qualification...but can't find any breastfeeding qualifications so far

.....also found this which is her 'advisory service' for new parents: www.babyconfidence.co.uk/...so she defo sounds like all the others [sigh]

Me too, expat!

I am prob thick, but why when this is such a great supportive site do we need any 'expert' to help us?
I'm sure the pooled knowledge on here is all anyone would need. Surely?
Ok, it's money isn't it?
Thought so

Avent want you to breastfeed.

And buy their breastfeeding pack with a pump and the storage containers and the breast pads and all the complicated stuff that goes with it.

Then they want you to bottlefeed, so you buy yet more stuff.

This sort of "advice" is part of the way to get women to do this - start off breastfeeding, make breastfeeding sound tricky and lifestyle-limiting, push bottles that are "as close to bf action" as possible (are they bollocks - my nipples aren't rigid silicone stuff - are yours?!).

I'm increasingly angry about all this Avent tie-in on what I had thought was a sensible and market-leading site where bf advice and support was concerned.

Thank goodness for Tiktok's posts on this thread! Well, and all the others!

No, hunker, my breasts are not rigid silicone stuff! Can't afford those kinds of breasts!

BTW, hunker, my ds3 agreed totally with you re Avent bottles, he refused point-blank to touch the things! Interestingly enough when we finally got him to take a bottle, it was with a much softer, latex Playtex teat.

ive only had a drink twice since having dd. first time i pumped and gave it to the dogs second time i stopped drinking at 9 o clock so i could feed her at 2am.
SOOOOO...... can i have a drink then? really?????

but then i cant sleep with dd after a drink and she wont sleep in her cot. arrghhhh!!!! oh well it wont do me any harm to stay sober for another year will it!!!

but seriously, i was under the impression you couldnt feed for 24 hours after a few drinks!!

Loving your top tips MP. Especially the non-spill paintpots one - brilliant (except we put all the evil bottles in the recycling before we moved - damn).

I am very disappointed in Mumsnet over this whole thing - hopefully they're getting the message and Vicki (who I'm sure is a very nice person) will be gone as soon as the contract is up. Long live Tiktok!!

i did my alcohol abstinence whilst pg (alot) after the birth I drink as much as I want.
I want a lot but my knackered old body goes to sleep after three glasses (boo).

honey2theb - search higher up this thread and you'll see excellent, well-resarched info from Tiktok on why the pump and dump advice is flawed and why you can use this to make your own decision about having a drink...

...DS had a feed at 9pm... me and the DH have been sharing our somewhat odd taste for Banana Bread Beer, gently but firmly, since then! I've had just enough to feel slightly smiley, so I know it's time to stop to let the couple of units wear out of my bloodstream in time for the 3-4am feed...

The sad thing about this is MN used to be a bit of a haven for people who don't go for experts and (my particular bugbear) 'methods'.
So to have someone come on and spout shite is really just annoying and insulting, when you have hundreds of people here who are part of a self-selecting group, who are almost consciously rejecting that sort of thing.
Oh I know there are all sorts on MN and I'm sure they are aware of that and are totally confident that they can sell useless items, yadda yadda yadda.........
Thank god most people who post have a sense of humour, that's all I can say, otherwise MN is half-way down the dumper