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Mumsnet has showed me the meaning of prejudice

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Hannie55 · 12/08/2007 13:03

OK, so i breastfed dd.
Intend to bottlefeed this one (due end aug).
Must be pretty neutral right?
So why is it when i read the debates on here that its clear as day to a neutral that its mums who bottle feed formula to their babies that are the ones being judged and harangued?
Yet its some of the breastfeedrs who shout loudest and demand the acknowledgement that they are in fact the opressed?
What makes it worse is its so underhand and sly, if any bottle feeders come back they are accused of being prejudiced, paranoid and of supressing guilt (wtf?!).
Mumsnet has really opened my eyes to some wierd views, none moreso than the anti-formula lobby (who of course are not anti formuls at all).

Really did not realise these people existed, thankfully they only appear in cyber-space!

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LelsandZaffy · 13/08/2007 00:24

KMM- have you thought of setting up a breastfeeding support group in your area to raise more awareness??

Tortington · 13/08/2007 00:25

you should be ashamed for being so narrowminded

KerryMumbledore · 13/08/2007 00:25

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JeremyVile · 13/08/2007 00:26

KM -I personally dont think you are wrong for expressing what you think, even though its a crock of shit (as i said before, i prefer your honesty to the pretence of some others), but you have to expect to get peoples backs up with stuff like that.
You cant surely be surprised?

KerryMumbledore · 13/08/2007 00:26

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Tortington · 13/08/2007 00:26

kerry - low breast feeding rates was not your argument love, dont pretend it was

"bottlefeeders should get a bit of stick for not bfing. bfing is what is best for your baby in virtually all circumstances. Sure it can be tough at times but most "problems" are not insurmountable with time and assistance.

It basically boils down to what you're putting first, your baby's best interests or your own. "

that pile of crap was your argument.

you are not arguing for greater support, you are not saying breast is best.

your saying that people who dont are selfish fuckers.

well fuck you.

MyMILisDoloresUmbridge · 13/08/2007 00:26

Kerry, I had ds2 in Holles St in 1998. I ended up in a 5 bed ward. The first day I was there 4 out of the five women were trying to bf. After 2 days, 2 of us were still bfing but 2 had given up, both with latch problems. The midwives were running around like blue-arsed flies from one patient to the next and didn't have time to do anything except thrust bottles of dextrose at the poor mums. After 2 days I was moved to a 2 bed room. I was told afterwards that one of the mums had been very upset when I left because I was the only one who was giving her any advice on bfing. The other mum saw a lactation consultant for about 5 minutes. I find it very odd that you know no-one else that bfs, of my friends and aquaintances I'd say it's around 50/50.

hunkermunker · 13/08/2007 00:27

How was my post bullying?

hunkermunker · 13/08/2007 00:28

JV, you keep talking about pretence - who's pretending?

southeastastra · 13/08/2007 00:28

mumsnet should be renamed babynet

KerryMumbledore · 13/08/2007 00:28

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KerryMumbledore · 13/08/2007 00:29

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KnickersInABreadmaker · 13/08/2007 00:30

KerryMum, 2%. You are taking the piss, aren't you?

LelsandZaffy · 13/08/2007 00:30

If women want to breastfeed, they should be able to do so with all the support necessary to help them do so.... If not, its ultimately there choice at the end of the day.

Like others said, we make choices for our kids. Some mums feed the kids shit, junk food rubbish when there 10/11 years old, but no one is telling them they are selfish!

houseofhormones · 13/08/2007 00:31

Our job as mothers is to second guess ourselves, feel guilty, feel smug constantly watch other babies to make sure our one is doing it right. It's almost a competative sport sometimes

YEs some people can be a little judgemental but the support here is amazing. I wish it was around when mine were small

Feeding a baby is THE most important we do in those first few days/months/years. It is a basic function. We want to nourish out babies. Whether it's with a boob or a bottle. We want to be the best parent ever.

Now, some people want to nourish their child with the food that nature gave them. It can be an extremely hard thing to learn, for mother and baby. Of course people feel smug if they master it, it's the same as learning anything new. On the other hand some women will never want to try, which is fine for them. They are still nourishing an infant, giving it basic tools for staying alive

We as mothers will always judge, secretly most of the time, outspoken some of the time, it's our job!

Be proud that you are doing what is best for you and your baby, as you are almost still one being for those first years (and when they are grown up some days)

Support others in things that YOU know about, let others support the ones in things you don't

Being a parent is the hardest job in the world, we don't need to shoot others down, we do that enough ourselves

would like to add, having read these boards for a few months, the honesty is refreshing, the support is out of this world and the majority of people who are very pro breastfeeding never belittle or judge individuals for their choices.

Just enjoy those first years of watching these babies grow into children then teens then beautiful adults because they pass by so very quickly

(sorry, feeling very nostalgic )

KerryMumbledore · 13/08/2007 00:31

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LelsandZaffy · 13/08/2007 00:31

I blame the lack of funding in the UK. It's shit. Maybe Gordon Brown should stop eating all the pies and put some cash into the maternity wards and support it.

JeremyVile · 13/08/2007 00:32

KM - i tried to engage you in 'debate' 00:07.

You didn't respond.

hunkermunker · 13/08/2007 00:32

KM, can you not see why I posted as I did?

I have spent hours on this site, supporting women to breastfeed, talking through the ramifications of formula advertising, debating all sorts of things to do with this issue.

And you come along and say "anyone who does't bfeed hasn't tried hard enough" and in one post, you undo so much of what I've tried so hard to do.

I think my post was pretty mild, actually.

welliemum · 13/08/2007 00:33

So, KerryMum, you're unhappy about the fact that the bf rate is very low in Ireland.

And your solution is that "bottlefeeders should get a bit of stick for not bfing".

[head in hands]

KerryMumbledore · 13/08/2007 00:33

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LelsandZaffy · 13/08/2007 00:34

Hunker, I haven't seen a lot of your posts, I am a lurky/ocassional poster here, but thumbs up to you for your posts pro b/feeding

JeremyVile · 13/08/2007 00:34

You should have tried formula KM.

KnickersInABreadmaker · 13/08/2007 00:35

Kerry, that is a typo, I'm sure! Can't post the link but I am positive it was 41% in 2005! Cannot have dropped that much!

LelsandZaffy · 13/08/2007 00:35

See hearing your story, KMM, that is what some women are frightened/wary of when thinking of B/F their own.

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