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Formula Feeders racked with guilt - wanna talk?

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mamawhyte · 19/07/2007 22:14

Just come over from another thread - rather than hijack that one.

I was always (and always will be) a pro-breastfeeder, but unfortunately have been completely disillusioned by my two experiences. For some reason, bf is so hard for me - some women seem to take to it naturally but no matter how hard I've tried I've not managed to overcome bf problems.

I had dd1 after a long and painful labour which ended with a 3rd degree tear. I was so exhausted I couldn't hold my new baby for long so when they asked me if I wanted to try to feed her I said no because I truly felt like i'd drop her. I went off to have my op and by the time I got back, she was asleep. I'd had pethadine during the labour and as a result she slept for 12 hours solid. The midwives said not to wake her, the ped said I should, and they had a big row about it in the corridor outside my ward. Anyway, I was there for four days and the whole time not one of the midwives managed to get her to latch on. By the time I left the hospital she'd had a bottle of formula but I was still determined to get the hang of bfeeding. I tried a nipple shield and she latched on, sucked for 45 mins and then woke 10mins later and drunk a whole bottle of formula! I asked the mw and she said "oh, she's probably getting something if she's latched on for that long". But my confidence was knocked and I had no support from relatives. I tried again and again but the same thing kept happening. I expressed milk 3 times a day for a month for her but the rest of the time she had bottles.

The guilt was something else. I'd think about bfeeding all day every day until it became too much to bear, then I'd break down, fess up to hubby who'd convince me I needed to get some help. I'd agree, but the the following morning I'd wake up feeling so much happier and lighter because I'd talked about with dh and got it all back into perspective, so I didn't bother with the doctor. A few weeks later, it would start building up again and within a couple of months I'd have another breakdown, blah de blah.

This cycle went on for 3 years until I became pregnant again. At last I could prove to myself that I could do it - I had a second chance. But suffered a miscarriage at 12 weeks. It was really sad, but the only positive thing that came out of it was that it had broken the cycle.

Three months later I was pregnant again. This time, I was completely devoted to successfully breastfeeding from the moment I found out. I hired a doula to help me after the birth to make sure the baby latched on straight away and that I had some support. dh was also fantastic. I had an elective c-section, recommended due to the third degree tear I suffered the first time round. I had a birth plan which stated that as long as all was well, I wanted to try to feed her as soon as possible, and I did - on the operating theatre table. And she latched on perfectly!! I was thrilled. My doula spent hours with me at the hospital for the first few days, helping me to perfect the latch and the I transferred to a birth centre for two nights so that I could concentrate on me and my baby before I went home. I had my breastfeeding book and my baby and apart from bits of my nipples being peeled off when I took my breastpad away from my nipple and my baby puking up an incredible amount of dried blood after she had her first proper full feed on the third day, everything seemed to be going fine. I got home and became so obsessed with breasfeeding that I thought of nothing else. Being cooped up for 6 wks didn't help either! I had my doula, midwives, health visitors and a breast feeding counsellor all reassuring me that she was latched on fine, but they kept saying "it shouldn't hurt", so I knew it wasn't right because I had to be on ibruprofen and paracetomol 24/7. I started to feel increasingly isolated and depressed and had mastitis when dd2 was 3 weeks old. Antibiotics sorted that out, so I carried on. I got it again when she was 5 weeks old, but this time the antibiotic didn't have any effect, so doc gave me another - the only other one available to me apparently, because I'm allergic to penicillin. He said it wasn't ideal to take whilst bf ing, only if truly neccessary, which it was. So, I took it - doc told me to see how it went. DD2 cried inconsolably all day like she was really uncomfortable and it was awful. I had to take them for 7 days and there was no way I was putting her through that for a week, so I started to give her bottles of formula and tried to express as much as possible to keep the milk supply up, but it dwindled and by day 7 I wasn't getting enough for a full feed. I tried to bf her in the morning and evening, but had to top up with a bottle. She was so upset when she couldn't have mummy's milk from a lovely warm breast for the second part of her feed and it broke my heart. Enough was enough!

Reading back I can see that all my choices were always in my baby's best interests. It's so nice to get it off my chest once in a while when I can feel that cycle coming back.

I read about a lady who bf for 6 months and hated every second, but was determined. She had masitis 9 times and was surprised when her baby took to the bottle really well and wouldn't even let her mummy hold the bottle. Sometimes you can go too far I think, but I still think she must have been incredibly strong to go through all that.

Well, if anyone has actually managed to get to the end of this - well done!!! Maybe this thread is just for me - it'd probably bore the pants off anyone else. Thanks for reading.

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Twinklemegan · 22/07/2007 14:29

Muppetgirl - what I have often posted in those circumstances is that the OP could consider mix feeding rather than giving up altogether. It might not work, but worth a try when there's seemingly no other hope. I really do think people are genuinely trying to help, they perhaps just don't appreciate how severe the problems can be.

MrsMarvel · 22/07/2007 14:33

I agree that formula mums get too much pressure and it can be dangerous for our babies. We all try our best for our children.

Twinklemegan · 22/07/2007 14:34

I must add as well that for many women they absolutely don't want to formula feed so telling them it's OK isn't necessarily going to help. There's no point telling ourselves any different - formula is second best, which is why so many of us are racked with guilt about it. From my point of view, I like to try to use what I learned from my experience with b/f to help other women to succeed. I certainly wish I'd found Mumsnet soon enough to take advantage of the wealth of advice available on here.

Difers · 22/07/2007 14:47

Mylittlefreya - My sister has bipolar - she came off the meds to breastfeed and ended up becoming very ill and tried to start feeding her baby sausages aged two weeks "to fill him up". My mother had to rescue my nephew prior to Social Services taking him off her as obviously he was at risk. Anyway this was 20 years ago but I don't think you should feel gulity or sad that you bottlefed as your baby needs a mother who is in good health more than anything else.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 22/07/2007 15:02

Posted by Hunker

Startouchedtrinity, this post worries me:

"As for the militant bfeeders here and elsewhere, they have their flawed opinions. I think them sad, rather lonely people, because while they are fretting about how the rest of us feed our babies they aren't enjoying their own. They are living our lives, not theirs. And imagine how alienated they must be if they cannot see the pain their words inflict."

Can't you see that there are women who are supporting others to breastfeed (fretting about how the rest of you feed your babies?!) for the SOLE reason that they really hope experiences like those on this thread are few and far between one day?

I think this thread's amazing - I hope posters have been soothed and helped by the posts on here and the links to MOBI, etc. But to slate women for wanting to help others bf - that's pretty unpleasant, really.

Posted by Hunker

tiktok · 22/07/2007 15:16

Twinkle, good post. Telling women how they ought to feel is not helpful. Listening, empathising, and helping them perhaps re-frame their 'guilt' into 'anger' or 'sadness' or 'grief' is better....denying them 'permission' to have deep feelings about not breastfeeding happily or for as long as they planned to seems to me wrong.

To say 'all that matters is your baby is happy and you are happy' or something is logically true - naturally enough, happiness of both mum and baby is up there with 'things that are very important' - but it ignores the reality that for many women, not breastfeeding causes real pain. In my experience, women need to have that pain acknowledged and not told not to feel it, just as you would with anyone who felt anything deeply and sincerely.

startouchedtrinity · 22/07/2007 15:17

Twinkelmegan, I beg to differ. Formula second best? How can you know that formula is second-best, for my baby - not a statistical baby that doesn't exist? Formula was the best milk for two of my babies, because it was the best I could give them in the circumatances. Without it they would have become very ill and may even have died.

A big lie told on here is 'formula is poison'. Really? I was ffed and I'm still here 36 yrs later. And according to my mum the whole ward ffed when she was in hospital, and I don't recall any stories of mass baby poisoning by formual feeding where I grew up. I don't have asthma and didn't grow up with anyone who had it. I don't have excema. I have a high IQ (believe it or not!), which bears out the current thinking that the reason bfed babies have high IQs is b/c their parents do - it's genetic. My mum had no interest in bfeeding me and not for a moment do I think she gave me second best.

The problem is that we all believe this stuff. We all believe the statistics in stead of looking at our own lives. We are still in the story that 'breast is best', not 'my life is best'. Breast milk wasn't best for my dd1 or ds. How do I know? B/c I formula fed them. My life, my story.

startouchedtrinity · 22/07/2007 15:19

Hunker, I most definitely do not slate anyone for tryimng to support bfeeding. I extended bf my dd2. I do object to people telling me that I am poisoning my baby. A different thing.

Search for messages from Ionesmum, then you will see where I was with this 5 yrs ago.

startouchedtrinity · 22/07/2007 15:26

I should add that if you read down this thread you will see the pain that the comments of others have caused to people who really don't deserve to be hurt any more. 5 yrs ago Tiktok was a massive help to me (as far as anyone could be in my misery) and people like her deserve to be lauded to the heavens. Not so those who seem to enjoy making us feel second best.

ForcesSweetheart · 22/07/2007 18:08

megan and trinity, I don't intend to offend anyone here but can we please not let this thread degenerate into a "which is best, breast of formula?" debate, theres plenty of other threads for that. I think the OP (and please mamawhyte correct me if I'm wrong) intended it to be a place where those dealing with the pain of having problems bf'ing could share their feelings in a supportive environment free of those kind of arguments. I can see why MOBI are so strict in their admittance criteria/etiquette.

SanetJvv · 22/07/2007 18:30

Sorry, I dont even want to read all the posted messages. Just want to say, I was ff, now a very healthy adult. My dd2 was bf, she have eczema, egg and peanut allergy.

Our babys grow up so very fast, feeding should work for mother and baby!! Nobody has the right to judge other people.
Being a parent is hard and feeling guilty about so many things is because we love them so much.
Dont feel guilty,you love your dcs, there are so many children in the world without parents to love them.

startouchedtrinity · 22/07/2007 18:47

Forces, I am sorry if I offended you, but the statement was made on this thread that 'we all know breast is best'. I tortured myself with that lie for so long I didn't want it to go unchallenged. Which milk is best for my baby? Whichever one circumstances said they needed.

I was once too ashamed to ffeed in public. I hated a friend b/c she never even tried to bfeed, it was like she had taken away the chance that should have been mine. Each night I held dd1 and cried and cried. Now I'm through that and I see how wrong I was to believe the story I'd tol dmyself about bf (and I say that having bfed dd2 for 22 mo). I don't want anyone else to put themselves through what I put myself through and it breaks my heart to hear how sad so many mums are.

mamawhyte · 22/07/2007 18:55

Yeah, I (and many others) would appreciate this thread being kept calm and supportive. Let's try not to take offence from anything written here. We are all on here for support and re-phrasing (in your own head!) someone's post before having a go at them is probably a safer way to deal with it. THANK YOU!

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mamawhyte · 22/07/2007 19:00

Actually "re-phrasing" is probably the wrong word. Whatever - we are all great mums - this is obvious becaue we spend a lot of our time thinking about what's best for our babies.

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Scoobyc · 22/07/2007 19:34

Don't have time right now to write my story (dh wants to look cars up on internet ) but just wanted to thank you for this thread as, although ds is now 13mo, I still feel twinges of guilt that bf didn't work out for us and it does really help to read so many similar stories.

Startouchedtrinity - I really appreciate your logic about formula being the best milk for a particular baby depending on the circumstances - that really helps me, thanks.

Twinklemegan · 22/07/2007 20:10

Startouchedtrinity - I too have been very upset by many many posts on Mumsnet about formula. I totally agree that in some circumstances, my own included, formula ends up being the best option. But I for one felt, and feel, incredibly sad and guilty because I couldn't give my DS the best start in life from (specifically) a nutritional point of view.

I don't want this thread to degenerate either, but FWIW on other threads I am very often the one on there saying "hang on, formula was a lifesaver for my baby". Anyone who thinks I don't understand could read my first post on this thread or search for my hundreds of other posts on this subject.

I was just making the point that telling someone it's OK to formula feed is not necessarily going to help, because it never felt OK to be formula feeding for me, and it never will. I know some disagree, but I also know that others feel the same.

I'll retire from this thread now because I realise that I am now in a place where I have started to move on. For others the feelings are still very very raw, and it's all too easy to inadvertently cause offence and upset. God knows, I've been there and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

xx

mamawhyte · 22/07/2007 20:55

Thanks for all your kind words Twinklemegan. I'm glad you've moved on now - that's fantastic and your ability to understand others in the same situation has allowed you to really offer great support. x

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startouchedtrinity · 23/07/2007 08:01

Twinkle, I was once in a place where I thought I'd never accept ffeeding as being as good as bfeeding, but now I really and honestly do. I hope you get there too.xxx

mamawhyte · 23/07/2007 08:14

Yes, I guess that's the ultimate aim, to truly believe you did what was best for your baby in every sense. You've helped me to see it like that and I'm beginning to accept it more and more.

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startouchedtrinity · 23/07/2007 08:18

Thank goodness, I thought I was upsetting everyone! I'm so glad I've been able to help a little, as I said before it breaks my heart to see other mums going through what I went through. Keep going, you will get there. xxx

mamawhyte · 23/07/2007 08:45

Oh I'm sorry if I made you feel like that. When I posted earlier about keeping the thread calm and supportive I was actually referring mainly to Hunker's post, but I can see how that could have been taken! Sometimes I type faster than I think!

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startouchedtrinity · 23/07/2007 09:30

I think Hunker misunderstood the mnetters that I was referring to. Most pro-bf mums are incredibly supportive and when anyone needs to ffeed they try to be sympathetic. There are a voiciferous minority, however, (I think they are more anti-formula than pro-bf) who are incapable of backing off, however hurt a ffeeding mum may be. I once told a mnetter in greta detail about how ill dd1 had been at birth and how shell-shocked I was, and how formual had kept he ralive, and her reply was 'But you are still feeding yoru baby junk'. To be unable to empathise to that degree, that I truly do feel is sad (in the old-fashioned sense of the word), and I do think that must be a lonely way to live.

startouchedtrinity · 23/07/2007 09:31

Shocking typos, sorry

Elsbells · 23/07/2007 09:44

Reading through this has made me cry as I totally know how some of you have felt/are feeling.

DD is nearly 7 weeks and I am still struggling to bf (been ff too!) Last night was a terrible moment for me when I attempted to bf again and it went all wrong for many reasons. I have gone back to crying, feeling sick to my stomach and hating myself and the whole situation. I keep thinking of this woman I saw last week who was bf effortlessly and I just keep wishing that was me.

I am embarrassed to ff in front of others and hate it when people ask how I am feeding.

Thank you for not making me feel alone on this. I was starting to think I was a bit weird having all these emotions about it.

Elsbells · 23/07/2007 10:04

I think what makes the "guilt" worse (for me anyway) is when you hear of bf women who endured weeks of pain, infections etc and overcame it to bf successfully months down the line.

Not sure about you all but it makes me feel as if I was a less determined person and that maybe gave up to easy to ff. That I should be able to handle the trouble of bf and I have failed but not doing so.

Sorry to keep posting but as 100% ff seems the inevitable for me, this subject is really close to my heart

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