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Formula Feeders racked with guilt - wanna talk?

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mamawhyte · 19/07/2007 22:14

Just come over from another thread - rather than hijack that one.

I was always (and always will be) a pro-breastfeeder, but unfortunately have been completely disillusioned by my two experiences. For some reason, bf is so hard for me - some women seem to take to it naturally but no matter how hard I've tried I've not managed to overcome bf problems.

I had dd1 after a long and painful labour which ended with a 3rd degree tear. I was so exhausted I couldn't hold my new baby for long so when they asked me if I wanted to try to feed her I said no because I truly felt like i'd drop her. I went off to have my op and by the time I got back, she was asleep. I'd had pethadine during the labour and as a result she slept for 12 hours solid. The midwives said not to wake her, the ped said I should, and they had a big row about it in the corridor outside my ward. Anyway, I was there for four days and the whole time not one of the midwives managed to get her to latch on. By the time I left the hospital she'd had a bottle of formula but I was still determined to get the hang of bfeeding. I tried a nipple shield and she latched on, sucked for 45 mins and then woke 10mins later and drunk a whole bottle of formula! I asked the mw and she said "oh, she's probably getting something if she's latched on for that long". But my confidence was knocked and I had no support from relatives. I tried again and again but the same thing kept happening. I expressed milk 3 times a day for a month for her but the rest of the time she had bottles.

The guilt was something else. I'd think about bfeeding all day every day until it became too much to bear, then I'd break down, fess up to hubby who'd convince me I needed to get some help. I'd agree, but the the following morning I'd wake up feeling so much happier and lighter because I'd talked about with dh and got it all back into perspective, so I didn't bother with the doctor. A few weeks later, it would start building up again and within a couple of months I'd have another breakdown, blah de blah.

This cycle went on for 3 years until I became pregnant again. At last I could prove to myself that I could do it - I had a second chance. But suffered a miscarriage at 12 weeks. It was really sad, but the only positive thing that came out of it was that it had broken the cycle.

Three months later I was pregnant again. This time, I was completely devoted to successfully breastfeeding from the moment I found out. I hired a doula to help me after the birth to make sure the baby latched on straight away and that I had some support. dh was also fantastic. I had an elective c-section, recommended due to the third degree tear I suffered the first time round. I had a birth plan which stated that as long as all was well, I wanted to try to feed her as soon as possible, and I did - on the operating theatre table. And she latched on perfectly!! I was thrilled. My doula spent hours with me at the hospital for the first few days, helping me to perfect the latch and the I transferred to a birth centre for two nights so that I could concentrate on me and my baby before I went home. I had my breastfeeding book and my baby and apart from bits of my nipples being peeled off when I took my breastpad away from my nipple and my baby puking up an incredible amount of dried blood after she had her first proper full feed on the third day, everything seemed to be going fine. I got home and became so obsessed with breasfeeding that I thought of nothing else. Being cooped up for 6 wks didn't help either! I had my doula, midwives, health visitors and a breast feeding counsellor all reassuring me that she was latched on fine, but they kept saying "it shouldn't hurt", so I knew it wasn't right because I had to be on ibruprofen and paracetomol 24/7. I started to feel increasingly isolated and depressed and had mastitis when dd2 was 3 weeks old. Antibiotics sorted that out, so I carried on. I got it again when she was 5 weeks old, but this time the antibiotic didn't have any effect, so doc gave me another - the only other one available to me apparently, because I'm allergic to penicillin. He said it wasn't ideal to take whilst bf ing, only if truly neccessary, which it was. So, I took it - doc told me to see how it went. DD2 cried inconsolably all day like she was really uncomfortable and it was awful. I had to take them for 7 days and there was no way I was putting her through that for a week, so I started to give her bottles of formula and tried to express as much as possible to keep the milk supply up, but it dwindled and by day 7 I wasn't getting enough for a full feed. I tried to bf her in the morning and evening, but had to top up with a bottle. She was so upset when she couldn't have mummy's milk from a lovely warm breast for the second part of her feed and it broke my heart. Enough was enough!

Reading back I can see that all my choices were always in my baby's best interests. It's so nice to get it off my chest once in a while when I can feel that cycle coming back.

I read about a lady who bf for 6 months and hated every second, but was determined. She had masitis 9 times and was surprised when her baby took to the bottle really well and wouldn't even let her mummy hold the bottle. Sometimes you can go too far I think, but I still think she must have been incredibly strong to go through all that.

Well, if anyone has actually managed to get to the end of this - well done!!! Maybe this thread is just for me - it'd probably bore the pants off anyone else. Thanks for reading.

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Malfoynomore · 20/07/2007 00:15

fairybit, I know you don't need my pity, but it does make me all sad to hear people talk/think about bf like that.....and yes, that comes across as being the supposed mafia I suppose...lol...but in a society where the page 3 boobs out is so happlily and openly accepted, what is the problem with teh most natural thing in the worls...women would not have boobs if it wasn't for the function of bf....we really only solely have boobs because theoretically we are meant to nourish our children with them, sigh...I shall shut up now....

fairybit · 20/07/2007 00:16

I sympathise with the mums who really want to breastfeed and can't for whatever reason, but as for guilt...why? If you have every intention of breast feeding and it doesn't work out for you, it's not you or your baby's fault!! Surely if a baby is happy, healthy and loved then that's what's most important. A happy mother is so important! Don't spend these precious moments with your children fretting about not breastfeeding if you're not able to. Enjoy them...they pass so quickly.

hotchocscot · 20/07/2007 00:17

I think its what someone said further down, that you are made to feel you are giving your child the second best, and who wants to do that to their amazing newborn? I remember slinking past huge posters in the clinic listing the health benefits of BF and feeling I had "unclean, unclean" on my forehead practically. And feeling ashamed everytime a HV or doctor asked me if i was BF or FF. Although am a lot better on the guilt thing now, I still get a twinge if i'm at baby group and see a mum whip out a boob and pop babby on without even interrupting their sentence.

fairybit · 20/07/2007 00:22

Malfoy, thanks for the 'boobs' talk lol. And believe me, if I thought for one second that I'd be the slightest bit comfortable with bfing then i'd surely give it a go. But, it's just not going to happen (am already having nightmares about flashing the other bits during childbirth!!) I know, I know...you leave your dignity at the door of the maternity and pick it up on the way out. So as I said earlier, it's ffing for me and I have no guilt about that. And I'm loving the previous comment about having a couple of glasses of wine and explaining to hubby that he's on the night time feeds!

Malfoynomore · 20/07/2007 00:38

faiury, you will be releifed that I thnk you do think healthily ...not that you care about what I think, like...obviosuly personally I would suggest exploring the reasons, yaddayadayadda...however....at least you are happy wiht your decisiopn, so hopefully won't turn bitter, eh ;)

fairybit · 20/07/2007 01:01

Bitter, Moi?? Never! I'm more of a lager girl. Have only been on here a few days and just checked out some of the other BF or FF threads...some people have... erm.... searching for the right word here.... aha...'militant' views on the subject!! That goes for the Pro FF's and the Pro BF's? Here's me thinking that this would be a place to celebrate the miracle of life and jeez, there are some really moany people out there! Love, Shell x

Malfoynomore · 20/07/2007 01:12

oh you got to be opinionated to survive lol!

macneil · 20/07/2007 07:01

Ahem, I meant Knut. My default setting is coarse.

lazyemma · 20/07/2007 08:27

you're alright macneil - it's spelt Cnut too. One of the few things I remember from my mediaeval history degree ("ha ha ha! that looks a bit like cunt!")

Botbot · 20/07/2007 08:43

This is all making me feel so much better - I failed to bf my dd. She's just turned 12 months and I still feel racked with guilt about the whole thing.

With me it was flat nipples - dd just couldn't latch on. To give them their due, the nurses in the hospital tried for as long as they could to keep from giving her a bottle, but she ended up jaundiced in a lightbox, during last summer's heatwave so I was terrified she was going to get completely dehydrated, and in the end it was me who told them to just give her a bottle. Then I tried nipple shields and even plonking a teat off an Avent bottle onto my nipple, but dd soon lost interest and I found I was topping her up with a bottle most feeds. It then got to the point where she was screaming and beating me with her little fists every time I put her near the breast, which was horribly stressful, then looking blissfully happy once I gave her a bottle.

I managed to express a bottle a day for the first six weeks, so at least she got some of my milk, but I still feel a complete failure about it.

My very lowest point was when I'd resigned myself to bottlefeeding, and went on the internet to try to get some advice on sterilising etc (hadn't discovered MN at that point). I ended up looking at all these horrible American sites that basically said 'you are poisoning your child by giving her formula'. I couldn't find a single bit of impartial advice - it was all 'anyone can breastfeed' and the only excuse for bottle feeding seemed to be if you can't physically produce milk. It sent me completely hysterical! I did think at the time of trying to start a website for failed breastfeeders ? it'd be nice to have a bit of impartial information and support. Never got round to it though.

bagsundereyes · 20/07/2007 09:06

Interesting thread.

RE: use of the word "guilt". I think it's wrong that I feel guilty about bottlefeeding my daughter. But I do - guess that's just part of being a mum.

I'm not going to post my reasons for formula feeding here. I think sometimes we formula feeders like to give "the whole story" so that we can justify our decision to others. The problem with this is it might lead to assumptions that some formula feeders had "better" reasons than others for not breastfeeding, and I'm not sure this is a very supportive attitude.

Suffice to say we tried breastfeeding, and it wasn't working for us. The saddest part of my experience was that my breastfeeding difficulties led to me resenting my daughter. I have found it supportive to read that I am not the only one with that experience.

We now formula feed, and are both happy and healthy. I can enjoy feeding my daughter and feel we have a lovely bond .

lazyemma · 20/07/2007 09:18

I dunno bags - I agree that sometimes there's an element of self-justification and that's why I haven't gone through the whole story of why I don't breastfeed until now. But this thread seems to be sort of cathartic for people, and I think it's been very helpful to compare experiences.

Botbot · 20/07/2007 09:20

Very good point about not giving reasons, bagsundereyes.

But I do think some people (including myself) like to tell the whole story as a 'getting it out of your system' kind of thing - it's not very often we get to talk about it in real life (in which I'm more wary of feeling as if I'm being judged than I am on MN)

bagsundereyes · 20/07/2007 09:22

Point taken re the catharthis, Emma and Bot . I agree that it is important to get it out of your system. Just didn't want to invite more judgement .

bagsundereyes · 20/07/2007 09:26

catharsis, even. I appear to have a virtual lisp.

mamawhyte · 20/07/2007 09:56

I was talking to a friend about the fact that there's never any information available about sterilising, teat size and so on. I remember when dd1 was 6 weeks old she started to really struggle with her bottle of milk. It took ages for her to drink a bottle. I mentioned it to my hv but she didn't tell me that there was actually a teat no.2 that I could try. I worked it out for myself! You just can't help feeling alone sometimes.

I've also thought about starting a website for women who haven't successfully breastfed, but didn't think it would be worth it - that perhaps it would just be for my own sanity, but now i'm beginning to think that it might be worthwhile. MOBI is pretty good, but it's more to do with succeeding than accepting you've failed and learning to move on.

The thing is, a lot of women really need to talk it through and grieve for their loss, but it's hard enough to admit to someone that you chose to give your baby formula in the first place!

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bagsundereyes · 20/07/2007 10:02

mamawhyte, i agree.

when i asked my h/v about bottlefeeding, her answer was something along the lines of "breast is best"! you feel a bit as if you have to muddle through yourself.

i think tiktok posted a link to a helpful site - i'll check the thread.

having said all of this, with hindsight it sounds like my hv's advice on bf was probably pretty ropey as well, so perhaps there is a need for ff and bf mothers to campaign together for all-round good advice for feeding our little darlings.

mamawhyte · 20/07/2007 10:10

The website is MOBI. It is interesting reading, but a lot of it's aimed at women who are struggling to breastfeed rather than those of us who need to mourn the choice we made not to carry on.

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Surfermum · 20/07/2007 10:16

I don't feel guilty for formula feeding, I know absolutely that at the time it was the right decision. I do, however, still feel angry at the lack of support I got while I was trying to breastfeed.

In hospital when I asked for help the night nurse rolled her eyes, grabbed dd's head and shoved it onto my boob. She turned on her heels and went back to the nurses' station to look up flights on the internet. Oh and recorded in my notes "bf well" .

At home when I told the community midwife that I didn't think dd was feeding properly as she cried ALL the time, she told me I needed to get strict with her and described controlled crying. She was 2 days old .

By day 5 dd was on formula.

But at the time, as a first time mum, I knew no better, I hadn't found mumsnet, and I trusted the professionals.

Actually, I'm not only angry, I still get a lump in my throat talking about it now, 4 years later .

mamawhyte · 20/07/2007 10:33

Oh, that's awful Surfermum. I think the whole attitude to breastfeeding needs to change, to help everyone. In the UK, BF is supposed to be "natural; mother and baby will work it out together", but it's not always that simple. Many women fall pregnant and then find themselves just thinking "oh, i'll definitely breastfeed, no question" and then are hugely disappointed when they find it's not as easy as it's made out to be. I know that's how I felt the first time around.

In other countries where the statistics for bfing mums are much higher, they don't have an "airey fairy" attitude towards breastfeeding. From the off they are much more matter of fact and approach it as a skill to be learned rather than as something which should just come naturally. That must be hugely comforting when you are struggling.

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mamawhyte · 20/07/2007 10:37

I've read loads of stuff on bringing up children and my own instincts have been pretty drowned out as a result! But the one book I found really helpful with the breastfeeding/formula issue was Tracey Hogg's "Secrets of the baby whisperer". She has a very balanced and sensible view of the whole thing and it was lovely to read. I'd read loads of books which all basically said, "Breast is best, but if you really must formula feed here's a little bit of info for you (although we'll keep it nice and short because it's so straightforward even an idiot like you can do it)"!

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tiktok · 20/07/2007 10:38

The main, public part of MOBI is indeed more about struggling now, and not about coming to terms later.

But go to this part of it where there are links to closed groups, subscription only, which deal with, among other things, feeling distressed and guilty when bf went wrong....hope this helps people.

The lack of help with ff people perceive from midwives and health visitors is exactly the same for breastfeeding. The training hcps get in infant feeding is in my view sadly lacking - they should all know a lot more about all types of feeding, and about practical support and the options they can share with mothers.

mamawhyte · 20/07/2007 10:41

Thanks for that tiktok. I didn't see that last time I looked.

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hotchocscot · 20/07/2007 20:29

reading this tonight i totally agree that it is so useful to "get it out of your system" - the feelings of guilt, grief, inadequacy, etc continue on for a long, long time and its hard to get people in RL to understand. My husband refuses to listen to me discussing it anymore and says i need to stop "picking the scab" of the experience I had, but its not that easy, even though I love my relationship with my son and he seems happy and healthy. and yes, I always feel i have to justify FF by explaining my story, as i feel i am judged as a failure by everyone, probably even by people who don't give it a 2nd thought!

hotbot · 20/07/2007 21:11

some of these storeis resonate with me, i was extremely unwell and really struggled to bf, eventually went onto ff, after 41/2 mths, still hurts today, howver i can also see someone in my positon and say to them are you mad? give yourself a break...... youve done really well, but say it to myself no -way..
mums will feel guilty no matter what, my mum felt terrible on my behalf as she was unable to bf me (as a baby), so couldnt offer me any practical help, altho she did give me lots of support