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daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 10:01

I have just wrote such a lengthy reply and just lost it just before I posted it, how annoying so this will probably be a bit blunt, as I haven't got time to go into detail all over again!

I take great offence in you saying that if I have only done a 3-day course at Unicef I am not allowed to call myself a bf counsellor( sorry this is one word, I have always had a mental block on how to spell it, even though I use it lots, and its my job - its really frustrating!) as you said in one reply "I am not a professional but a volunteer" so does this mean you have had no training as such? as in the next reply you say " I am a Nct bf counsellor" So how come you are allowed to call yourself but I am not????

My training is as follows I am a qualified nursery nurse, Nurse, and did the 3-day Unicef breastfeeding course, which is one of the most respected in the country.

I have worked a as a maternity nurse for 9 years , this is where I have had huge amounts of experiance and it is here where I have usually found that feeding more regularly than 2 hourly after the age of 3-4 weeks and if the mother has a well established milk supply can be helped, and many mothers if they are honest will say they are allowing their baby to snack when they want, rather than encouraging proper full feeds. I have a very long testimonial record for mothers who when I went to see them they were feeding very regularly as in every 30 mins -1hour thinking thats what they should be doing. However once I had explained to them to look out for other sign for example crying cause they are tired etc and obviously making sure that there are no problems of tongue tie, poor milk supply, over milk supply etc , we could encourage the baby to demand feed 2/3hourly instead. I for one who bf my own daughter til she was 7 months,if I was feeding her every 30 mins -an hour would of welcomed someone to tell me this needn't be the case. So I still stand by the fact that if the baby is over 3-4 weeks old and the mother has a GOOD milk supply 2 hourly feeds should easily be maintainable, and it is quite often mis-guided information why the mother is allowing the baby to snack every 30mins, or poor attachment, milk supply etc could be a reason for it. however it in most cases can be successfully turned around to frequent feeds every 2-3 hours.

To finish my qualifications- I have worked as a nurse on a neonatal ward for 2 years, here I did see the extremes where babies are being encouraged to feed every 30 mins-1hour to help with the mothers milk supply.

I have been practicing as a bf councellor for 2 years now.

I do feel like i have been interogated by you, and will not be posting on here any more, you have made that impossible for me anyway by tarnishing my name. So keep up the good work helping all those mothers out there and lets hope you never word anything wrong. Of course I wouldn't do this in real life, it was one of the very few times I had been on here, and I was just writing facts,and my opinions wrongly not thinking about emotional ,sleep deprived mothers who may have read it, how it was most certainly not meant. I hope to have learnt by this mistake, and think more when I am writing.

If you feel like you need to justify yourself to me , like I did to you, please do not worry, if you want to call yourself a bf counsellor, reading your threads you sound more than capable to do this. Though please do not doubt other professionals. We are all going to have slightly different views depending on our experiances and qualifications and training, certainly doesn't need one to attack another, this most certainly would put the fear of god, into already confused new mothers, who feel they don't know who to trust.

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tortoiseshell · 02/01/2007 16:49

Isn't it more gradual than that though, rather than there being a 'point' where it changes?

hunkermunker · 02/01/2007 16:52

That's made my day, Tiktok

Tortoiseshell, I'm glad I helped - that's made my day too!

tortoiseshell · 02/01/2007 16:53
  • you and tiktok were fab!
FrostyTheSnowMarsLady · 02/01/2007 16:53

I agree hinker! Especially as you're rather nice in RL. lol

VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/01/2007 16:55

Hunker - you'd be a fab b/feeding counsellor - even though your norks are quite threatening

flack · 02/01/2007 16:56

I thought that SHE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED called herself a maternity nurse (front of her books, etc.), but had not a single relevant qualification, hence she was really just a nanny who liked a grand title.

So when I read "maternity nurse" I will always assume it is just a nanny who specialises in very young babies.

Whereas... I have a friend who has been working towards being an NCT Brf'ding counsellor for almost 5 years. I think of it as a title with real meaning.

hunkermunker · 02/01/2007 17:00

I am a bit nicer in RL than on here, that's true. But that's cos you're scary, Marsy

VVV, does my wench-like norkage threaten you then?

daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 17:00

I am out to prove my innocence and right to be a breastfeeding counsellor, I have just called a unicef friend and she says to her knowledge the ABM breastfeeding counselling course covers the same 8 modules that we covered at the unicef course, the only difference is the counselling sections have to be completed on the ABM course whereas the unicef they are optional due to lack of time, like I said before they dedicate 1 day to the counselling and the rest is home study which you can submit if you like.
Again its to her knowledge, however I have looked at the ABM site and it does say 8 modules and unicef was also 8 modules.

Tik tok you still haven't said which area you are breastfeeding counsellor for- or am I being too nosey ?

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hunkermunker · 02/01/2007 17:00

If the counselling bit's optional...er...how are you a counsellor?

hunkermunker · 02/01/2007 17:02

Counselling skills aren't just a tick-box list of things you get after a module though.

"make and maintain eye contact - check"

"say ooh and oh dear in the right places - check"

"look sympathetic - check"

It doesn't work like that!

daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 17:06

your right a maternity nurse is someone who looks after very small babies.

Although I don't like the way you said " a maternity nurse is just someone who looks after small babies"

It is a very hard and responsible job, and I myself trained full-time to get my NNEB qualification to allow me to work as one, as yes it is right that anyone can call themselves one, however it would be very hard to actually get job as a maternity nurse earning 600-700 pounds a week without being at a reputable agency, who would very rarely take you on their books unless you had the NNEB qualification and experiance with newborns, unless you had atleast 4 years experiance.

Although I will let you off your bad use of wording, because I'm a dab hand at that on here!!

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daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 17:14

your right hunker munker, as with most jobs it comes with experiance, my mother is a social worker and she said after 7 years of training she did not feel like she was equipped to go and counsel people( although she of course was )she knew how to do it from a text book and what to say and how to say it, but obviously years of experiance have made her better each time!

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/01/2007 17:16

Hey, I'm not threatened at all, but, i can certainly see how yours could be pretty imposing

Am intrigued by your "whimsical" suit of armour wearing.....is this truly possible?

daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 17:18

sorry flack you said " i always thought a maternity nurse was just a nanny, not someone who just look after small babies.

Although my reply still stands unfortunately , I'm sure any nanny would not like to be called just a nanny.

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flack · 02/01/2007 17:22

With all due respect, most mothers are people who look after a young baby at least once in their lives, and it's much harder for us (than it is for any 'maternity nurse') because we are still recovering from the physical ordeals of pregnancy and childbirth, and we are awash with strong hormones.

So maybe it's not so unfair of me to think that being "just" a maternity nurse, is less demanding than being a mother. Surely if you have your own child, you agree??

Anyway, how many maternity nurses do virtually 24/7 care for the first 4 months (or longer) the way most mothers usually do?

Wow, I have a mate who has NNEB and she childminds for me for £2.50 an hour, instead. She's possibly the best parent I know, but no one around here has £700/week to blow on their newborn.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/01/2007 17:24

Goodness me! I just read the other thread!

Daismlaisy - your opening gambit to tiktok was a bit rude, I must say.

Very good of you to move this to a separate thread though - i was feeling quite sorry for poor saralou!

Quadrophenia · 02/01/2007 17:32

I would like to home in on the bit where hunker was talking about being 'qualified' to be a counsellour. I find it interesting in the respect that you can have a qualification and be dire at counsilling, you can have done the course but still be absolutely appalling in terms of ability to listen and putting people at ease. I have known some dreadful counsellors with all the right qualifications who are simply crap at their job ( how often do we hear it on the depressed boards). I think the ability to counsil is something you either have or you don't have. So although daisymaisy might not have spent hours learning how to do it, she may have a natural ability. (all this aside from breast feeding information just the counsilling side!)

HappyTwoFRAUsandAndSeven · 02/01/2007 17:35

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hunkermunker · 02/01/2007 17:38

But the advice she's giving is a bit hit and miss, so I still don't think she should call herself a breastfeeding counsellor, because I don't believe she is qualified to call herself that, quite apart from the fact that the title itself isn't protected.

I'm not sure if it's still true, though I can find out, but anyone can set themselves up as a chiropodist and chop bits off people's feet because that title's not protected either.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/01/2007 17:40

Apparently, you can be a barber and chop bits off of folk too.

Crikey - you can be a shop assistant in Claires which entitles you to mutilate young children. [flippant]

tiktok · 02/01/2007 17:41

daisym, no, I am not going to tell you where I am, sorry!

I keep private details to myself, including those ones!!

daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 17:47

Quad, I could kiss you, you are the one of the few people to say something positive towards me, thank you.

Hunker munker you couldn't be a counsellor the way you are talking about me like I don't exist..whose she!!

nothing I have said is hit and miss and most experianced and educated bf experts! will agree with what I have said. Obviously you are entitled not to agree with me, we all believe what we are told so opinions will always be different or challenged.

All what I have said I believe in and if you disagree with any thing, I am only too happy to explain my answer more thoroughly.

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hunkermunker · 02/01/2007 17:49

Yes, a few things you have said are hit and miss. I'm sorry for the "she", but you aren't listening anyway, so you know

daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 17:50

fair enough tik tok,totally respect your privacy! but you are a nct bf counsellor?, can't be bothered to trawl through all the threads to find that answer out, I just remember reading it somewhere that you weren't but then I am sure you said you are.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/01/2007 17:50

Hunker....

play nicely.