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daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 10:01

I have just wrote such a lengthy reply and just lost it just before I posted it, how annoying so this will probably be a bit blunt, as I haven't got time to go into detail all over again!

I take great offence in you saying that if I have only done a 3-day course at Unicef I am not allowed to call myself a bf counsellor( sorry this is one word, I have always had a mental block on how to spell it, even though I use it lots, and its my job - its really frustrating!) as you said in one reply "I am not a professional but a volunteer" so does this mean you have had no training as such? as in the next reply you say " I am a Nct bf counsellor" So how come you are allowed to call yourself but I am not????

My training is as follows I am a qualified nursery nurse, Nurse, and did the 3-day Unicef breastfeeding course, which is one of the most respected in the country.

I have worked a as a maternity nurse for 9 years , this is where I have had huge amounts of experiance and it is here where I have usually found that feeding more regularly than 2 hourly after the age of 3-4 weeks and if the mother has a well established milk supply can be helped, and many mothers if they are honest will say they are allowing their baby to snack when they want, rather than encouraging proper full feeds. I have a very long testimonial record for mothers who when I went to see them they were feeding very regularly as in every 30 mins -1hour thinking thats what they should be doing. However once I had explained to them to look out for other sign for example crying cause they are tired etc and obviously making sure that there are no problems of tongue tie, poor milk supply, over milk supply etc , we could encourage the baby to demand feed 2/3hourly instead. I for one who bf my own daughter til she was 7 months,if I was feeding her every 30 mins -an hour would of welcomed someone to tell me this needn't be the case. So I still stand by the fact that if the baby is over 3-4 weeks old and the mother has a GOOD milk supply 2 hourly feeds should easily be maintainable, and it is quite often mis-guided information why the mother is allowing the baby to snack every 30mins, or poor attachment, milk supply etc could be a reason for it. however it in most cases can be successfully turned around to frequent feeds every 2-3 hours.

To finish my qualifications- I have worked as a nurse on a neonatal ward for 2 years, here I did see the extremes where babies are being encouraged to feed every 30 mins-1hour to help with the mothers milk supply.

I have been practicing as a bf councellor for 2 years now.

I do feel like i have been interogated by you, and will not be posting on here any more, you have made that impossible for me anyway by tarnishing my name. So keep up the good work helping all those mothers out there and lets hope you never word anything wrong. Of course I wouldn't do this in real life, it was one of the very few times I had been on here, and I was just writing facts,and my opinions wrongly not thinking about emotional ,sleep deprived mothers who may have read it, how it was most certainly not meant. I hope to have learnt by this mistake, and think more when I am writing.

If you feel like you need to justify yourself to me , like I did to you, please do not worry, if you want to call yourself a bf counsellor, reading your threads you sound more than capable to do this. Though please do not doubt other professionals. We are all going to have slightly different views depending on our experiances and qualifications and training, certainly doesn't need one to attack another, this most certainly would put the fear of god, into already confused new mothers, who feel they don't know who to trust.

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Jalexandra · 02/01/2007 19:59

You know you are all actually saying the same thing but are disagreeing over semantics. Who is to say who is more qualified? It certainly isn't helping anyone by bickering over whose course is better, especially when it is totally subjective.
Neither course makes you a breast feeding counsellor.

Jalexandra · 02/01/2007 20:00

Sorry, a professional bf counsellor.

DizzyBint · 02/01/2007 20:01

professional meaning paid?

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:02

It makes a huge difference. A 3 day course in comparison to a few years along with ongoing assessment and monitoring

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:03

And, yes, having accurate information does make a difference if you are struggling to bf.

Jalexandra · 02/01/2007 20:06

Daisymlaisy is not saying she has just done a 3 day course she also has other qualifications. Anyway the point I was trying to make is that both tiktok's and daisy's message seems to be the same but they are arguing over how they get that message across. They are both on the same side.

DizzyBint · 02/01/2007 20:07

if you mean the pudding versus the tap, they aren't saying the same thing.

FrostyTheSnowMarsLady · 02/01/2007 20:07

No jale... actually they're not. The differences may seem minor but actually they are important differences.

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:08

But they are not quite the same and there is a difference if you are struggling to breastfeed.

Sorry but qualifications and experience matter zilch if you are giving inaccurate information. You cant expect not to be questioned about it.

Jalexandra · 02/01/2007 20:14

I agree totally with questioning advice. The whole 3 course meal vs hot tap thing though is crazy. It seems to me that the 3 course explanation is just a simple explanation, but it is saying the same thing. It is just an analogy used to get an idea across, and I am sure lots of mothers find it an easy concept to grasp.
I mean professional as in neither course gives you a professional qualification.

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:18

But it's not accurate and is misleading no matter how nice it sounds. It makes a mother think that she has to get past the first part of the feed until she can get to the last part which is filling/fatty. When in actual fact it can happen that the fattyness is at another point and not separate anyway.

Unless you mash all your courses up to eat as one that is...

satinshoes · 02/01/2007 20:19

can i just say the 'hot tap' analogy has just really helped me!

I posted a seperate thread earlier today with a rambling question about which side to feed and how long. Reason being I remember the foremilk & hindmilk issue and with DD1 my HV told me it was important they stayed on long enough to get the fatty stuff. DD1 was a small baby so naturally I worried and stressed about it, and i'm sure this contrubuted to PND. Now I have DD2 and I had a moment of panic this morning that i was doing it wrong (even though she is putting on weight well).

I think the most important thing is that no matter what qualifications you do or dont have, is that you are able to eloquently express yourself to anxious parents, being supportive whilst sticking to the facts.

Most mums on here are looking for advice from other mums who have been there, done that. If you are going to be a 'subject matter expert' then just be sure you can qualify any factual statements you make.

Wasnt planning on getting into the politic, just very pleased about my own hot taps

DizzyBint · 02/01/2007 20:21

exactly satinshoes! hot taps make more sense than puddings.

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:22

One health "professional" told me I had to feed 20 minutes each side in order to get the fatty stuff and if I had not known differently that would have stressed me about. I'd have been timing it and topping up with formula to get to that 20 minutes.

maewest · 02/01/2007 20:24

Also, have seen on threads here (and had others in RL say) - 'only' foremilk, as if this is the no good stuff, whereas if I understand correctly, all bm is good stuff.

tiktok · 02/01/2007 20:25

The idea of the baby 'having to reach the hindmilk' as part of a 3 course meal the baby has to have every time he comes to the breast may not be helpful at all - in fact it can be responsible for a lot of grief! How many times on here does someone post, worried her baby is not on 'long enough' to 'reach the hindmilk'? This worry is based on a poor analogy

Jalexandra · 02/01/2007 20:25

OK, I am definately not an expert in this, but I have successfully bf 2 children, with shocking support and advice from health professionals. It seems that the advice from tiktok and daisy is the same - empty a breast but the explanations for why is slightly different. I received excellent advice from my older sister who had bf her older two children. She is not a bf counsellor or remotely medically trained but her advice was invaluable.

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:25

Bit of a strange nickname, maewest!

maewest · 02/01/2007 20:26

agree nothercules, from really early on DS was efficient feeder and rarely fed longer than 10 mins when he was past a few weeks old. Encouraging him to take more at one feed just made him puke everywhere.

nothercules · 02/01/2007 20:26

errr sorry to be pedantic but you can never empty a breast and nor do you have to feed each time till you think you have.

DizzyBint · 02/01/2007 20:27
maewest · 02/01/2007 20:27

x-posts nother, strange how

tiktok · 02/01/2007 20:27

Jale - it is not the same and I have never ever told mothers they have to 'empty' the breast!

Why?

Because they don't have to!

tiktok · 02/01/2007 20:29
satinshoes · 02/01/2007 20:30

so.....a positive byproduct of today's squabbling is that I (mother of 3 week old) am now feeling relaxed again and like I'm doing a good job.

I hope you sort out your differences but be aware that if I wasnt such a nosy old cow and interested in the bickering then i wouldnt have come across the analogy dispute and would be sat here still wondering which breast to feed DD on in a minute...(she is waking now)

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