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Infant feeding

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Serious question: why ^are^ many of the pro-b/f amongst you so rabid?

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Pruni · 26/08/2006 17:12

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Socci · 27/08/2006 15:34

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Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 15:34

but its ok to make people feel bad about not breastfeeding? Threads like the "junk" one were designed to do that. Moondog knew exactly what she was posting - she's not daft- so presumably didn't care, and oh surprise surprise people did get upset.

harpsichordcarrier · 27/08/2006 15:35

noddy, if you want the real answer it is this:
formula companies should be more open about what is in their product, first of all.
secondly, if there was the political will then there woudl be more milk banks and milk banking and indeed wet nursing. this won't happen in th current climate.

Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 15:36

oh that was to hc- socci I agree with you, although I think there is the odd thread that does come with the words smug and hurtful attached. those are rare, but when they happen everyone sees them.

harpsichordcarrier · 27/08/2006 15:37

jimjams that's entirely irrelevant.
I am not talking about moondog or about her thread.
I am not here to apologise for moondog and I certianly did not agree with her on that thread.I have never, never, "made people feel bad about not breastfeeding".I know you say moondog did but these comments are not just directed at her.
they are directed at breastfeeders, in particular many of those who post here.
I am asking - is it justifiable.

harpsichordcarrier · 27/08/2006 15:39

why is this all about moondog and her thread all of a sudden?
are al bfeeders fair game for insults because of moondog and that thread?

Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 15:42

and I've never said you make people feel bad, yes I do think it sometimes justifiabel to say that some poster can be rabid (and unhelpful) about bfeeding. I have also made a point of saying that that is uncommon and that many people (I used the example below of mears and tiktok) are very helpful and that is appreciarted. I can spell bt can't type when a 7 year old is ;ying on my tyoing hads. I only read bfedding threads when they get long so i siupectn i see a higher % pf rabiditr y than i w3oud if i rerad them regulkarl;y

aitch71 · 27/08/2006 15:43

they shouldn't harspichordcarrier, you are correct.

i'm afraid i slightly hijacked the thread at one point because i saw moondog was back and was curious to know if she had seen how many people she had hurt and had considered that she had perhaps come on a bit strong. i have my answer, of course loud and clear.

i've never found anyone else to be off-puttingly 'passionate' about bfing on mumsnet, but then i joined when i started weaning dd so i don't suppose i look at a lot of those posts. there's no argument that breast is best.

aitch71 · 27/08/2006 15:44

i mean people shouldn't think all bfers are fair game. got distracted, dd fell over...

donnie · 27/08/2006 15:45

oh not this again...........just kill it why don't you?

bfing is fine

bottle feeding is also fine

don't pander to the dog- it's what she wants.

harpsichordcarrier · 27/08/2006 15:46

well, as you said much earlier, lumping people into groups and making a general, derogatory comment about them is very damaging. I absolutely agree with you there.
as a matter of personal experience I think that the number of "negative" bf posts on here is miniscule. and I think, very passionately, that bandying around insults is counterproductive.

noddyholder · 27/08/2006 15:47

I agree re milk banking although I do think we in the west would baulk at the very idea.(jut my opinion)and as there is no such thing in place it is formula or nothing.

harpsichordcarrier · 27/08/2006 15:49

look, let's cut to the chase.
this thread was all about moondog and to slag her off after that "junk" thread.
well, I am sure she has got that message loud and clear.
in the meantime I and some other posters have been hurt and insulted by being lumped together.
I appeciate we might have been collateral damage but strange as it may seem it is possible to hurt a breastfeeder's feelings.
fancy that, eh.

pupuce · 27/08/2006 15:50

There are milk banks in the UK... usually reserved for premature babies and very ill adults.
Do you knn=ow how much the NHS sells BM (this is what 1 hospital charges another when they sell their BM or when it is accounted in NHS terms)??? You would be astounded!

fireflighty · 27/08/2006 15:51

"but its ok to make people feel bad about not breastfeeding? Threads like the "junk" one were designed to do that."

That's a very strong assertion isn't it? Actually designed to do that? Not even (for example) "designed to attract attention and change opinions about formula while being way too careless of the side effects", say (which someone could also say if they disagreed with the thread title)? You know somehow that it was actually designed "to make people feel bad about not breastfeeding"?

That's quite a strong assertion about someone's underlying motivation and with it you personally are contributing to people thinking that there are BFers out there who purely and simply want to make them feel bad. I assume you're 100% certain about that motivation, because it could well have the effect of making parents see that sort of thing more in future situations even where it isn't, so they end up misinterpreting things and feeling more judged, and more unhappy. That wouldn't be a good side effect of a board post either, presumably.

moondog · 27/08/2006 15:51

My feelings aren't hurt.

Not at all.

If people want to 'slag me off' bring 'em on I say.

Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 15:51

there are a few milk banks noddyholder- the hospital ds1 and ds2 were born at hd 0ne, i loked into donatying but wasn't allowed to for some reason can't remember why- think it was because i had given ds1 formula for one feed a daty f0or a short period (whilst a nipple was hanging off)- I was fully breastfeeding when I enquired.

Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 15:52

I din't know they sold it on pupuce!

noddyholder · 27/08/2006 15:52

Why on earth would you want to make someone you don't even know feel bad>?Ridiculous and I doubt it really makes anyone truly feel bad just a bit disappointed that women can be so bitchy

pupuce · 27/08/2006 15:53

Oh yes and guess for how much!

harpsichordcarrier · 27/08/2006 15:55

moondog I wasn't talking about you.

Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 15:56

hundreds??? Really no idea..... (I gave ds1 and ds2 some colostrum when ds3 was born btw)

noddyholder · 27/08/2006 15:58

I was never told about milk banks although it was 11 years ago now!I was a very ill adult though and would have jumped at the chance to give my ds that advantage.But I bottle/formula fed him and he is the picture of health and we are very clode.We moved to Brighton in 1997 and he has never been to a gp .

pupuce · 27/08/2006 15:59

£60/l

Milk banks are not available everywhere though Noddy.

pupuce · 27/08/2006 16:00

I think they are all listed here.

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