Mothercrae has tage one aptamil cartons at half price because they are close to expiry date.....

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Is this breaching the whatsit before I write in and get on my high horse?

TIA

well said qofq on the whole dirty water as opposed to formula, blamed should be laid at the feet of the government in these countries as well as the manufacturers.

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Agree that clean water is part of the issue, but not the whole issue - they don't give formula away for free, these companies. If more funds were put into breastfeeding support, that would be better.

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what is the root cause of the deaths??

The formula milk

or

The dirty water?

Do those 1.5 million babies die from being given properly prepared formula using clean water, or from being given formula made with dirty water, sometimes made up wrongly by mothers who can't read?

How does bottle feeding kill babies?

The water mixed with baby milk powder can be unsafe and it is often impossible in poor conditions to keep bottles and teats sterile. Bottle feeding under such circumstances can lead to infections causing diarrhoea, the biggest killer of children worldwide.

Baby milk is also very expensive, often costing more than half the entire family income. This means that bottle feeding will contribute to family malnutrition. Furthermore, poor mothers trying to make the milk go further sometimes overdilute the powder, and the baby may not then receive the nutrition he or she needs.

Bottle baby disease is the name given to the deadly combination of diarrhoea, dehydration and malnutrition which is the result of unsafe bottle feeding.

Thanks for that.

From this site

i beleive (from a lecture that we had at uni) that the primary cause is the dirty water combined with the fact that the families cannot make it up properly due to lack of reading skills (or the carton being in a foreign language) and also lack of sterilisation avaliable to the families.

just have to think of the amount of abbies in the uk who are admitted to hospital with gastroenteritis (?sp) each year due to lack of proper hygiene and times that by god knows how many for poor under developed countries that do not have readily avaliable clean water and sterilisation techniques (or awareness of techniques)

Nestle didn't put the local language on the tins of formula at one point - not sure if they still do that - will try to find out though.

For f*s sake! i would have been delighted to discover some discounted formula cartons when i had dd. I breastfed her but went back to work at 3mths, expressed some milk, but used to buy emergency cartons in case the ebm ran out.

LEAVE THESE BARGAINS WHERE THEY ARE FOR THOSE WHO NEED THEM!!!!! and get off your high horses about it.

Whoosh.

Sorry, that was snidey. I apologise.

Nutter alert......

Oh I don't...

but if we poured the resources spent in complaining about formula advertising, into improving the lifes and infrastructure of those in poor countries who choose to bottlefeed (and let the retailers put special offers on it) then those problems would drastically reduce.

Instead we end up with mothers who are too ill/weak/unable to breastfeed, not being having access to formula (and yes I should imagine with the travel costs involved in getting the formula is does equal a large amount of some families income - public transport is expensive) and babies STILL dying.

Of course I understand the issues surrounding the whole law on advertising - but TBH I think they're going about it totally the wrong way - nevermind breastfeeding support - there should be general health support available to those in greatest need!

You've lost me QoQ.....

well said qofq!

there's no point putting the instructions in the local language if the mother is illiterate........

Although they certainly had it in English, Shona and Ndbele when I was out there 5/6yrs ago - with lovely cubbby white babies on the pictures (don't think most local women wanted chubby white babies )

Read it again.

Blimey qoq,I can't believe that you wrote that!!!

• moondog is it that badly written - reading it back doesn't seem to make sense to me now - although I know what I meant LOL.

It makes sense to me QOQ - not often you do like

But if we allow formula companies to advertise as they want, breastfeeding rates will plummet further still.

Think of all the myths about breastfeeding you see and hear, even just on MN, from health professionals who are trusted to know what they're talking about. They don't, and that's largely because formula advertising is allowed in professional publications - and some of it is gobsmacking. Just think how successful Milupa's campaign has been to get Aptimil recognised as the "best" formula, the one "closest" to breastmilk - largely because that's what all the HPs are told in big glossy adverts.

I am not saying formula is evil, anyone who knows anything about me knows that I just want women who want to breastfeed to be given the right advice and the support and confidence they need to do it.

No,it's not badly written at all, it's just the substance of it.

but HM if they're allowed to advertise surely they would still have to abide by the ASA regulations - ie not telling lies - so if they decided to try and say that "Formula contains all the stuff that breastmilk does" - they'd be lying.....